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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: jidian on Tuesday 18 August 09 16:55 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on Anthony Perrier of Lota, Cork, son of Sir Anthony Perrier. Also anything on his wife Charlotte Hickman nee Roome.
Thanks.
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Hi , got the following info from a book in library,
"Sir Anthony Perrier (1770-1845) born Dublin son of Sir Anthony Perrier (1712-1772) merchant, the younger brother of Sir David Perrier. He became a freeman of Cork in 1792 and was operator of the Spring Lane distillary from 1806 - a plant which was owned by David.In 1822 he patented one of Europe's first continuous whiskey stills,but it was not a success. He served as a County magistrate for 37 years and was the treasurer of the Pipe Water Company. He served as Mayor of Cork in 1820/21. In 182 he was appointed as Cork Agent to the Atlas Assurance Company of London and operated out of 68 South Mall, Cork.The business was continued until 1825 by his son and grandson in turn. He was knighted by the Lord Lieutenant the Duke of Richmond on his visit to Cork in 1829, when Perrier was high sherrif. He died at his South Mall residence and was buried at St. Peter' s Graveyard, North Main Street. His remains were later interred in St. Lukes, Douglas, Cork"
No mention of his wife or his children's names. Is this your Anthony?
There was also a write up on his brother David (1765-1Dec 1826) who worked at Burnetts Glasshouse Company, Hanover Street renowned glassworks.
He is buried at St. Nicholas Churchyard , Cork.
I have photos of all of the above church yards if you want me to send them to you.
Mary
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Hi Mary,
Thanks very much the information it's really appreciated. I would love the pictures of the church yards but I haven't used Rootschat very often, although I will in future, and I must be stupid because I can't figure out how to send a private message.
Regards
Jill
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While searching in the Library today I came across an write up about Ballinure House in Blackrock associated with the Perrier family. The following is a quote from a book by Richard Henchion called "East to Mahon". "The Perriers were among the leading civic and commercial families in Cork in the 19century. Thre first into Ireland about 1685 was Mark Du Perrier, a Huguenot from Caen, Brittany fleeing religious persecution in his native land. He settled in Dublin.
In 1776 the family forged a Cork link when Mrs. Anthony Perrier was left a widow with 8 children under twenty. She felt she needed the support of her mother's connections, The Spillers of Ross and the Stawells of Coolmanin and she removed from Dublin to be close to them.
Sir David Perrier (1765-1826) glass manufacturer, sugar refiner, paper maker and distiller who has been considered in connection with the Ballintemple Corporation, was one of Mrs. Perrier's sons. So too was George (1767-1850) who married as his second wife in 1833 Mrs. Deane, who, however, does not appear to have been a connection of Sir. Thomas of Dundanion. So also was Anthony (1770-1845) later Sir Anthon. One of Anthony's 16 children married John Osborne M.D. Lindville Asylum, while his eldest son William Lumley (1805-1895) resided in Ballinure House.
Wm. L. Perrier wiggled his way onto the City Council. He was an Alderman, a J.P and High Sheriff in 1832/3. He stepped into the Insurance business that his father put together making it his life's career. He married in 1831 Anna Lumley of Douglas House who died at Alma Ville, Ballintemple in 1897. They and their daughter lived at Ballinure between 1850 and 1930. They had two sons the second of whom, Wm. Lumley Jnr (1839-1885) took the insurance business into the third generation. The family had the proud motto "Consilio et Vi" (Courtesy and Strength). Wm.Snr was also a director of the Cork and Bandon Rly, Hon Sec and Hon Treas. of Skiddys Almshouse, Shandon Street, a director of the Commercial Blds. on the South Mall and a Borough Magistrate.
Ballinure House was still standing, though unoccupied in 1980. It was a ruin in 1992 and demolished soon after. Some specimens of chestnut, elm, holly, plane, palm and Araucaria better known as Monkey Puzzle or the Norfolk Pine, still survive to remind the passerby of other folk and different times"
The areas listed above are mostly in the Blackrock suburb of Cork City. Some interesting facts there about the Perriers and the motto is interesting.
The fact that the Spillers of Ross, and the Stawells of Coolmain - an area near Kilbrittain Co Cork were relations of Mrs. Anthony Perrier might give you some clue to her relations.
Hope this is some help
Mary
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On page 58 of THE HUGUENOT SETTLEMENTS in IRELAND, by Grace Lawless Lee, you will find a page on PERRIERS. Anthony, born 1770 . His daughter married a grandson of JULIUS BESNARD, Sail Cloth Manufacturer of Blackrock, Cork, and Julius was my 4 times great grandfather.There are several mentions of Perriers in this book.
Lorraine
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Hi Mary,
Thanks again for the information, great history on the family. I have found the copy of the marriage certificate for the Anthony Perrier I have been looking for. Anthony Perrier Esq. son of Sir Anthony Perrier, Knight married Charlotte Hickman Widow daughter of Major General Henry Broome on 4th October 1853 at St.George's Church, Hanover Square, London.
Regards
Jill
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To Lorc & Jidian,
Hi folks,
Just back from a beautiful day in Cobh, Co Cork. A gorgeous sunny day. Better than the Med!!! Took lots of photos of the Clonmel Graveyard in Cobh ( where the Lusitania memorial is situated) and called in to St. Luke' s Church and Cemetery in Douglas on the way home.
Looking for any relevant headstones. Found a Perrier one and also one for Julius Cesar Besnard. If either of you want to PM me I can centainly send the grave photos to you. Must upload them first. Just recharging my camera.
Also Lorc I have lots of other photos which I think would be of intererst to you re the Lindsays from St. Finbarrs Catherdral Cemetery and also St. Peters in Carrigrohane.
Always on look out for anything interesting and relevant for all the Rootschatters!!
Mary
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Thanks Mary/Celtic Liberty. Look forward to photos.
Lorraine/Lorc
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Hi Jill,
I found the family burial plot of Anthony Perrier in St. Lukes Cemetery in Douglas. It has a stone plaque on the wall " The burial place of Anthony Perrier and family" but not details. Also have another Perrier headstone.
The Besnard grave that I found for Lorraine - the memorial was actually erected by Julia & Georgina Perrier in fond rememberance of their dearly loved sister Jane ( Besnard). Jane Perrier obviously married Julius Perrier. If you want me to send you the photos send me a PM with your email address.
Mary
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Thank you Mary, for the photos. You went to a lot of trouble for me and will reciprocate, if I can
Lorraine/Lorc
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Hello,
I am busy typing up a letter in my possession from Sir Anthony Perrier ready to show Canadian relations this weekend; you may be interested to read it also. It is from Sir Anthony Perrier to his wife Jane following his visit to the King at Brighton Pavilion on 29th December 1820. My husband is three generations down from Julia Osburne, grand-daughter of Sir Anthony Perrier.
"My dear Jane,
I have just time before the coach starts with me for London, to tell you a little of my adventure in this enchanted palace.
I arrived too late in the evening before last to see the King, but I left my name immediately and soon found that he knew I was in town for I had visits from all the great people in less than an hour and Sir Edmund ….. said that his majesty ordered him to take me under his especial care – I could not dine here on that day as I was not previously presented and that ceremony was fixed for two o’clock yesterday but as the King breakfasts alone I was invited to breakfast with the gentlemen of the suite, and so pleasant a set of fellows I never got into company with. They consist of Sir Benjamin Bloomfield, Sir Edmund Nagle, Lord Coningham (three jolly Irishmen) Colonel Thornton, Sir Matthew Tierney and two or three others tho wonder they should feel happy for they have nothing to do but eat, drink and be merry at the public expense. – I spent near two hours viewing the wonders of the Pavilion and at two was received by the King in a manner far beyond anything I could have had the least idea of expecting – my modesty prevents me repeating any of the flattering compliments he made to myself, but he spoke in the handsomest manner of Ireland and of Cork in particular and among other things he told me he intended returning my visit next summer. He then asked me to dinner but to attempt a description of the magnificence of that or indeed any more of what occurred is quite impossible and I must postpone it til I get home which will now be as fast as the coaches can carry me. I have not time to say more than desire you will tell David that Lord Headforth (?) is not here
Kiss Anthony and P……… AP
From Bid
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If jidian is still looking for information on Anthony Perrier J.P.of Lota: we have family information including a foto of a portrait of Anthony, painted in 1843 (!!).
This Anthony (1816-1879) was the 13th child of Sir Anthony Perrier (1770-1845) and Lady Jane Black of Limerick. (Jane's only sister was married to John Vereker, brother to Charles 2nd Viscount Gort).
Anthony married on 3rd October 1853 Charlotte Roome, the only daughter of General Hy(?) Roome, Bombay Army. Charlotte was the widow of P. Hickman Esq. She died on 15th January 1887. A stone memorial plaque is inside the Douglas Church of Ireland. They had no children.
Also to Dad's Daughter: in relation to the 17th and youngest child of Sir Anthony Perrier, daughter Kate (1823-1870) who married John Osburn/Osburne/Osbourne we have a foto of a Mrs. Osbourne(!!) in front of Lindville, Ballintemple with an enormous Great Dane.
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Hi, just picked up stuff re Perriers.
Two of my great uncles, Thomas Arthur Clarke and his younger brother Ernest Joseph Clarke, sons of Thomas Clarke (the son in William Clarke and Son tobacco manufacturers of Cork etc.) married respectively Katherine Lumley Perrier (4 Sep 1895, St Marys Shandon) and her sister Elizabeth Lumley Perrier (9 August 1905, St Michael's, Blackrock)) daughters of William Lumley Perrier of Blackrock. I believe that the girls were also cousins of the Clarkes. I am interested to find what the cousin-connection was, whether it was through Thomas Clarke's wife's family, Elizabeth Ruddell daughter of William Ruddell of Dublin, or through one of Thomas' three sisters (whose names I don't have).
Any info on the girls or the Ruddell family would be appreciated.
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To "woodchurch":
concerning the cousin connections of (Capt)Thomas Arthur Clarke who married Katherine Lumley Perrier as well as Ernest Joseph Clarke who married Elizabeth Lumley Perrier:
Katherine and Elizabeth Perrier's mother was Maria France Clarke, daughter of Sir William Clarke and Eliza Travers and sister to Thomas Clarke of the Imperial Tobacco Company of Allerton Hall Liverpool and Farran House, father to Capt Thomas and Ernest.
Maria Frances Clarke married on 16-4-1868 William Lumley Perrier Junior; they lived at Maryborough House and at Ballinure House.
We have a photograph made in 1896 of Maria Frances Perrier nee Clarke with her 11 children, including Katherine (Kitty) and Elizabeth.
Capt. Thomas and Kitty had 2 daughters, Lizette and Norah. Descendants of Lizette live in Carrigaline.
Ernest and Elizabeth had no children.
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That's briliant thanks for solving that one! I'm new to this, think perhaps I should start a new thread on William Clarke of Farran, and his offspring.
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Hi All,
My Mother was Stella Perrier,
My Aunt was Iris
Their Brother was Harry.
( Killed in France 1918 . We will be at his Grave on 11th Nov. 2011 .We have been there for the last 3 years ) Buried in a British War Grave in a Church Yard in Floursies France
We live in Douglas & attend St. Lukes C. of I. Church , Douglas .
The new restored Christ Church building on The South Main Street has more Perrier Info
We are off to Florida next week ( 4th Oct.2011 ) & will be in touch with more Perriers
We are also in touch with a Perrier in Brisbane . More distant Perrier relitives in Victoria , Vancover Island & also Vancover. More family who we have visited are in Spokane, & New Jersey.
My sister lives in Bath.
If you wish to phone or " e " mail do But we do leave on Monday 3rd Oct,
The more info on Perriers the better.
David
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Hi All,
Douglas is a suburb of Cork & we are near Ballinure & All other areas connected with the Perrier
Family.
We have Family History & Family Photos
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Referring back to Awall's details of Katherine and Elizabeth Perrier who married their Clarke first cousins, does anyone have details of when/where Maria Frances Clarke and her sisters (names?) were born, and who the other girls married? Do the names Rice or Huleatt come up? Thanks for any more information anyone may have.
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Hello all,
My husband is also three generations down from Julia Osborne Wheeler (wife of Henry Horace) and we would be interested to hear more about Julia's two sons, Henry Quinton Osborne Wheeler and John Horace Wheeler.
We've just spent a delightful few hours reading a family history written by John Horace's wife. In it, she mentions that as youngsters, Julia Osborne took her two sons to visit three spinster aunts living somewhere in Dublin. As it happens, one of our children lives in Dublin; can anyone tell us where the particular house was that Julia Osborne visited?
We're also wondering about Julia Osborne Wheeler's father, Dr Osborne. We've read that his practice was based in a "private mental institution": can anyone elaborate?
Many thanks.
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Hi,
A Dr John Osborne owned Lindville Asylum which was situated in Blackrock. Cork.
I came across a few of marriages which I thought might be of interest -
From newspaper The Constitution - 26 Jan 1824 at Gretna Green on 17th inst., D. Cuffe Wall Esq., 3rd son of Charles William Wall Esq of Coolnamuck Court , Co. Waterford to Catherine Isabella , eldest dau. of Sir David Perrier of Douglas House, Cork
From newspaper Cork Advertiser 11 Oct 1800 - a few days ago in Limerick, Anthony Perrier Esq., of this City ( Cork) to the beautiful Miss Black of Limerick.
from newspaper Cork Evening Post - 6 July 1789 last Saturday Mr. William Lumley Esq., to Miss Perrier
dau of the late Anthony Perrier of Dublin Esq., ( MLB Elizabeth Perrier)
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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My husband is great grandson of Henry Horace Newman Wheeler and his wife Julia.
One of their sons was Henry Quintin Osborne Wheeler, born 1888, died 1964. He married Dora Paterson in 1914. They had 2 children, another Henry Quintin Osborne Wheeler born 1916 and Sheila Marjorie born 1923.
The reason father and son had identical names is that the older one went to serve during World War One and was reported missing while Dora was pregnant. She did not expect him to return alive and named her son by his fathers names. But father did survive! We have press obitiaries for Henry and Dora.
Sheila married Herbert Hutchinson who died in the 1980's, and she lives in Oxfordshire.
Henry Quintin Osborne Wheeler married Jessie Dingwall in 1950, and they had two children, my husband, Alexander Quintin Henry Wheeler born January 1951 and Elizabeth Catherine born 1956. Alexander (known as Alastair) married me, Bridget, in 1974, and we have two children Catherine Alexandra born 9 -8-78 and Jennifer Mary born 29-4-1981. Jennifer married Christopher Durrant in 2007.
Hope you're keeping up with all this! Resorted to paper yet?!
Both Henry Quintin Osbornes, Dora and Sheila were all qualified medical doctors; Dora was one of the first ever women doctors to qualify, training in Edinburgh. My husband is a clergyman, currently Vicar of St Cuthbert's Wells, Somerset and Prebendary of Wells Cathedral.
Sheila and Bert Hutchinson married late and had no children.
Elizabeth Catherine, my husbands sister, married Robert Robertson in 1980, and they have two children, Iain and Claire. Iain married Sarah Dec 2010.
Auntie Sheila has passed down to us various items from the past, including a large tray presented to Henry Horace Newman Wheeler by the Royal Galway Yacht Club when he moved to Waterford from Galway; also a painting of Robin Redbreast rocks in Waterford, and a box presented to "Louisa" on her wedding day in 1841 containing all sorts of useful items of habadashery and stationery for a young bride.
We are in possession of a small number of photos of Henry Horace Newman Wheeler, and one of him in army uniform alongside Julia.
We also have a number of miniature paintings, including for example Henry Wheeler, father of Henry Horace Newman, and one of each of Sir Anthony Perrier and his wife. Also included are James Black and Jane Vereker - see other posts.
We traced the Osburne connection some years ago, and went to Lindville in Black Rock County Cork. This was the mental institution set up by Dr Osburne - the spelling of the surname varies - Osburne / Osborne. We have photos of the buildings, both the hospital itself and the family home next door with grounds running down to the sea, much as in the 1800's.
In Black Rock church is a plaque "Sacred to the memory of Dr John Osburne, Lindville died 27th June 1897, also of his son Cecil Anthony Perrier Osburne, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh who died 24th January 1922 at Old Catton, Norwich and is buried there. They devoted their lives to the care of the afflicted"
We have a hand-written nearly decipherable Wheeler family tree back to 1640.
Further information available if needed, but stopping here for now.
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Dear All,
This thread is fascinating and especially the letter. I do have query, though, that I wondered whether anyone could help with.
To let you know who I am! Sir David Perrier (1765 -1826) is my great great great great grandfather. His brother being Sir Anthony Perrier (1770 – 1845). Their father was also Sir Anthony Perrier (1712 – 1772)
The query is that the letter is dated 1820 and is addressed to ‘My Dear Jane’. As far as I am aware the Anthony Perrier who was married to Jane Black died in 1772 so the name works but not the date and the Anthony that the date works with was married to Charlotte Roome. Have I got whole thing mixed up?
Thank you.
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I should mention that we are the descendents that live in Carrigaline! My Grandfather Patrick Arthur Cattell grew up with his Uncle and Aunt (Ernest Joseph Clarke and Elizabeth Lumley Clarke (Nee Perrier)) at Aghamarta Castle, Carrigaline. His mother was Susan Lumley Perrier who married Herbert William James John Goodricke Cattell. My Mother and her Siblings grew up at another of the family farms (Pallastown House, Belgooly, Co. Cork) and she still lives in the area as does my Uncle, Miles Jonathan Cattell. My Aunt, Stephanie Roberta Montagu (Nee Cattell), lives in Suffolk, UK.
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More cousins! So you would have known cousin Rendall Clarke, a nephew to whom Ernest left Aghamarta? Of Wilton Carpets and Youghal Carpets. Do you know what became of Aghamarta, did Rendall pass it on to his family (son Samuel?)
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Rendell was left aghamarta. My grandfather, as far as I have been told, was disinherited for marrying a Catholic (my grandmother Honor Mahony)!!!!!!! Rendell then sold it when it became apparent that Sam would not like to live in ireland. Sam now lives in Oxford. How are you connected?
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Thanks for your post, Rendall was one of my father's (Thomas Hughes Clarke, known as Hugh) many first cousins and they were good friends. I met Rendall a few times at family events. I remember being taken for a spin in a kit-car he had built, on the airfield near Rendall's house on the New Forest. My father was born 1905 and died in 1962. Rendall's father was Dr Henry Clarke, fourth son of Thomas Clarke of Allerton Hall and my grandfather Charles Samuel was the third son. I never visited Aghamarta, but did go to Farran, Springfort and Nadrid once or twice and saw Trabolgan from the drive (and from the ferry). I met Sam once, he is a year younger than me, I think; we met at Tracy Park when I was about ten (1957ish), I would like to make contact again! I have incidentally just made contact with descendants of Helena Schreiber, one of whom is living in Skibbereen; Helena was one of Thomas Clarke's three sisters, the others married William Lumley Perrier jr as you know, and the other, an Augustus Warren. They had one son who died young.
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Hello Mary,
I was rapt in seeing the topic of the Perriers on here. Anthony is a very distant uncle of mine & a lot of information you mentioned sounded familiar to me. I would love to see any photos that you might have please. I realise that I've come into this topic a bit late though.
Joysma
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Hi Joysma,
Have a look at Reply 1 ( Mary )
And then Reply no 11, 13 , & 15 . And posts in between.
We have meetings in Cork with Martin & also with James .
A huge amount of Perrier history is with us.
Last year we went to Sydney & Brisbane & saw the Australian Perrier Trail ( Bathhurst )
Keep in touch via Land Line or here. or by " e " mail
We are visiting The Perrier gang in Florida in September.
David Walls ( Mother was Stella Perrier )
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Hi David,
Thank you for seeing & responding to my first ever post here. Sounds like we'd be distant relatives too after reading your responses to other people here.
I had seen before the replies & posts you refer to but had never got around to having any input here until yesterday.
I never realised that there was any Perriers in Brisbane but then again the world's a small place really.
I'm in Queensland too.
David Perrier who came out to Australia in November 1828 was my great great grandfather.
It's fascinating that you were in Australia last year 'on the Perrier trail'.
Joysma
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Hi Joysma,
Were you asking me for photos?
Woodchurch I noticed you mentioned Lindville and Nadrid, A lady in UK came to visit
Cork last year and she was related to the Lindsays /Warrens of Lindville, Maryville, & Janeville.
I showed her the three areas, Janeville House, no longer there. Houses built on the land.
Lindville House still there, however lots of houses built around the house. The lodge is still there.
We also visited Nadrid house, now a guest house with lots of outbuildings by the Riverside.
A very nice helpful owner named Penny.
Woodchurch I came across a headstone , only today , at St Finbarrs cemetery ( where your
Clarke family from Farran are buried - already sent you the photos) for a "Cooper Clarke".
Also came across a "Wheeler " headstone today.
Joysma sent me a PM with your email address and I can send you some relevant photos.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Hi Joysma,
Were you asking me for photos?
Woodchurch I noticed you mentioned Lindville and Nadrid, A lady in UK came to visit
Cork last year and she was related to the Lindsays /Warrens of Lindville, Maryville, & Janeville.
I showed her the three areas, Janeville House, no longer there. Houses built on the land.
Lindville House still there, however lots of houses built around the house. The lodge is still there.
We also visited Nadrid house, now a guest house with lots of outbuildings by the Riverside.
A very nice helpful owner named Penny.
Woodchurch I came across a headstone , only today , at St Finbarrs cemetery ( where your
Clarke family from Farran are buried - already sent you the photos) for a "Cooper Clarke".
Also came across a "Wheeler " headstone today.
Joysma sent me a PM with your email address and I can send you some relevant photos.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
Hello Mary,
Way back in March 2010 that had been a conversation with others on here where you had said that you had photos of Perriers graves in Ireland. I had been interested in seeing them as well. I've come onto this site just in the last few days tho I did join months ago. I haven't participated until now. I'm an ancestor (in Australia) of Perriers & have started doing family research in the last 9/10 months. Over the years the family has heard stories of the Perriers in Ireland & how they'd fled France originally in the 1600's. Anything else that we can find out is fantastic.
Joysma
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Josma If you go back to page i on this topic, you will see I posted the name of book to read with chapter re Perriers. My 4th gt gfr's grandson BESNARD married into Perriers. They were all Huguenots. and Mary...Celtic Liberty. Have you ever come across TWISS in Kerry graveyards? circa 1682.(Richard Twiss of Birdhill was my 7th gt gfr. Lorraine
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Josma If you go back to page i on this topic, you will see I posted the name of book to read with chapter re Perriers. My 4th gt gfr's grandson BESNARD married into Perriers. They were all Huguenots. and Mary...Celtic Liberty. Have you ever come across TWISS in Kerry graveyards? circa 1682.(Richard Twiss of Birdhill was my 7th gt gfr. Lorraine
Thanks for that info Lorraine. I had already printed off just yesterday all of the pages about the Perriers with the idea of reading them more intently. With my ancestry research I haven't come across the name Twiss. As far as I'm aware I never had any ancestors in Kerry. Cork & Cavan is all I know about.
Joysma
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Sorry I meant the Richard Twiss part for Mary. Must have put it in your message by mistake. Lorraine
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Hi Mary aka Celtic Liberty. Have you ever come across Richard Twiss grave died 1682 in Kerry? Twiss of Birdhill, my 7th gt gfr.
Lorraine Australia
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Hi again,
To Joysma I will send you some photos which I think may be relevant.
To Lorc, I havn't come across anymore Twiss, the one I found in Youghal was illegible almost.
I did come across an article in the library about a Twiss originally from Birdhill Co Limerick
who changed his name from Twiss but much more recent than 1600's.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Hi all,
To those of you who might be interested in seeing the memorial of Anthony Perrier
on the wall at Christ Church. I hope I can attach it here, I have made it smaller.
Christ Church is no longer used as a church. It has been totally refurbished in
the last few years by the Cork City Council and it is amazing. The interior is
lovely and all the memorials have been restored. It is now used for concerts
and it has a café. The crypt has some headstones which can be viewed through a
glass partition.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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JOYSMA Julius Caesar Besnard married Jane Perrier in 1832. She was daughter of Anthony Mark Perrier 1770/1845 and Jane Black. Hardy, Besnard and Perrier were all eminent French Huguenots in Cork.
Lorraine
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Thanks for that information Lorraine. It's always interesting to find more details of my ancestors.
Joysma
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Thank you very much for emailing me copies of photos I'd lost when my computer crashed. Next time I'll backup the important things on the computer. I've really appreciated Celtic Liberty being happy to replace some that I never would've been able to get again.
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Good Morning All
Please excuse me for inserting myself into the Perrier history but perhaps you can help me solve a mystery. I'll try to be brief. After years of searching I was able to get a transcript of my 4x's great grandfather Joseph Giffen who died in 1835 in Ballygally Antrim Northern Ireland. Joseph died a fairly wealthy man. In his Will he left legacies to his grandchildren, not his children. The largest Legacy was given to an Isabella Perrier of 100 pounds. I have no idea what the family connection is. Perhaps you may be able help identify this girl/woman. Irish records being what they are I also have no idea who Joseph's children were, so I'm unable to offer any assistance on that front. However Joseph's parents were William Giffen and Mary Martin of Carnmoney. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Calendar of Wills and Administrations shows Jane Besnard/Perrier died 1879
lots of Twiss wills on there too.
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http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp
This is the link to which Daithi refers
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Thank you conahy calling & dathai.
I will follow up on your suggestions.
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Calendar of Wills and Administrations shows Jane Besnard/Perrier died 1879
lots of Twiss wills on there too.
My 4th gt gfr was Julius Caesar Besnard and also interested in Twiss. Richard Twiss was my 7th gt gfr. Have researched Richard Twiss from Shropshire to Castleisland Kerry.1609/1682 Sources and dates supplied. See Radleys of Cork.
Lorc
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Thanks for your response LORC. There is much to read and I am going through it however ; nothing yet but will continue. Is there any folklore in the family regarding trading/ business in the Belfast/ Carrickfergus area i.e. ship building or linen production. Just a guess based on what I have read so far that may have brought people together who would not normally have ever met? Speculation only. If I discover anything I will be in touch, again thanks to all.
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Thanks for your response LORC. There is much to read and I am going through it however ; nothing yet but will continue. Is there any folklore in the family regarding trading/ business in the Belfast/ Carrickfergus area i.e. ship building or linen production. Just a guess based on what I have read so far that may have brought people together who would not normally have ever met? Speculation only. If I discover anything I will be in touch, again thanks to all.
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Julius Caesar Benard had large,. linen factory in Douglas, Cork, manufacturing sail cloth.Business declined when steam ships took over from sail. Besnards mainly went to Australia. See my website.
Lorc
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I am looking at the information here and notice that awall mentioned that Maria Frances Clarke was the sister of Thomas Clarke (1834-1911) m. 1865 to Elizabeth Ruddell. Then it was stated that she was the daughter of William Clarke and Eliza Travers. I have had a look at this Elizabeth Barbara Travers and she married a William Henry St. Lau(w)rence Clarke (1801-1877). They did not have a daughter named Maria Frances Clarke. Therefore neither of these are the offsprings of Travers-Clarke fame.
The William (1803-1884) in William and Sons Tobacconist was married (1832) to Elizabeth McCarthy (abt 1802-1887).
I can believe that Thomas (1834-1911) and Maria Frances Clarke were siblings though I don't have information on the rest of the Clarke family.
Maria Frances Clarke married William Lumley Perrier Jr. They are my 4th Great Grand Parents.
Their two daughters, Katherine Lumley Perrier m. Thomas Arthur Clarke and Elizabeth Lumley Perrier m. Ernest Joseph Clarke (their first cousins). My line is from their first born daughter, Antoinette Frances Perrier.
If anyone has more information on the Clarke Family from William Clarke (1803-1884), I would appreciate it.
Thanks, Harla (one of the Victoria cousins, David mentions later).
To "woodchurch":
concerning the cousin connections of (Capt)Thomas Arthur Clarke who married Katherine Lumley Perrier as well as Ernest Joseph Clarke who married Elizabeth Lumley Perrier:
Katherine and Elizabeth Perrier's mother was Maria France Clarke, daughter of Sir William Clarke and Eliza Travers and sister to Thomas Clarke of the Imperial Tobacco Company of Allerton Hall Liverpool and Farran House, father to Capt Thomas and Ernest.
Maria Frances Clarke married on 16-4-1868 William Lumley Perrier Junior; they lived at Maryborough House and at Ballinure House.
We have a photograph made in 1896 of Maria Frances Perrier nee Clarke with her 11 children, including Katherine (Kitty) and Elizabeth.
Capt. Thomas and Kitty had 2 daughters, Lizette and Norah. Descendants of Lizette live in Carrigaline.
Ernest and Elizabeth had no children.
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Hello, I've been following the Perrier thread with interest. I am not a family member but am working voluntarily on the history of historical houses in the Mahon, Ballinure and Blackrock areas of Cork city for a community publication, as I live nearby.
The grounds of the Nagle Community College now stand on the old Perrier house, there appears to be some old Orchard walls still there along with some of the trees, and we are wondering if any family member or anyone has a photograph of Ballinure House. Or indeed of Sir Anthony or Sir David to go with a short article on the history of the Big House........many thanks.
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Hello, I am in awe I have just found this thread. I am a descendant of David Perrier who came to Australia in 1828, so I am finding all this information extremely helpful to my research, I would love to get in touch with those researching the Perrier line. I have a high resolution image of David Perrier's petition to the Sovereign Assembly of France.
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I can't believe I was helping out on this thread and have recently discovered that I have a dna match
to Perrier. I also have a common match with the Booth surname too. Another thread on here about Booth & Fox which I responded to without realising I have a dna match to the poster!
Small world.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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mr AP jp, thank you for this astounding letter. I m researching the life of Sir Edmund Nagle ( who I believe CS Forester used to write much of his Hornblower novels, and Ben Elton & Richard Curtis used to write Blackadder the 3rd) This letter is very revealing. May I quote it in toto in my novel about the real Blackadder/Hornblower?
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Thanks for your post, Rendall was one of my father's (Thomas Hughes Clarke, known as Hugh) many first cousins and they were good friends. I met Rendall a few times at family events. I remember being taken for a spin in a kit-car he had built, on the airfield near Rendall's house on the New Forest. My father was born 1905 and died in 1962. Rendall's father was Dr Henry Clarke, fourth son of Thomas Clarke of Allerton Hall and my grandfather Charles Samuel was the third son. I never visited Aghamarta, but did go to Farran, Springfort and Nadrid once or twice and saw Trabolgan from the drive (and from the ferry). I met Sam once, he is a year younger than me, I think; we met at Tracy Park when I was about ten (1957ish), I would like to make contact again! I have incidentally just made contact with descendants of Helena Schreiber, one of whom is living in Skibbereen; Helena was one of Thomas Clarke's three sisters, the others married William Lumley Perrier jr as you know, and the other, an Augustus Warren. They had one son who died young.
Well, in that case I must have met you once too!Sounds like we are second cousins...