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Title: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: mortieau on Tuesday 18 August 09 14:23 BST (UK)
I have been trying to find the baptismal record of Samuel Gent, who according to the 1851-71 censuses was born between 1793-96 in Selston.

The Selston PR shows no Samuel Gent/Ghent  bpt for this period, but a likely couple William Gent & Elizabeth Stout/Stant married in Bulwell in 1784 but had 2 children bpt in Selston, Edward in 1784 & Mary in 1788.

So my question is there any record of them having a son Samuel bpt in Bulwell ( or possibly Hucknall Torkard) in the 1790's.

Thanks
John
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Jane Eden on Monday 14 September 09 22:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I have a Jane Gent who got married in Selston in 1830. There is no trace of her on the NFHS CDs. Selston do not have their records on these CDs.

Selston St Helens is a Norman Church. So I suppose they got BMD there but they are not on the web. Looks like a trip to the archives. I have just checked your profile but you do not say where you are!

Jane

Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Springbok on Monday 14 September 09 22:26 BST (UK)
Hi John ,

My 4x Gt.Aunt was Elisabeth Stout , but sadly none of the other descendants have supplied any children for them.
Your marriage date tallies with my 27/12/1784.

Perhaps you might look at the surname interests on here . Sometimes you can be lucky

Spring



Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: mortieau on Tuesday 15 September 09 15:12 BST (UK)
Thanks Jane & Spring, The reason I think possibly William & Elizabeth nee Stout were the parents of my Samuel Gent is based solely on the fact his eldest son was William born 1818, which addmittedly is not much to go on.

Samuel married in 1817 in Woodditton, Cambridgeshire and seems to have been an overseer for the Duke of Rutland there, which suggests he came from a farming family. As to his naming his birth place as Selston,I now suspect he lived there as a child but was infact baptised somewhere else.

Unfortunately as I live in the USA ,  I mostly am reliant on info I can find on-line, I wish Northants. record office on-line service had more info, as does the Norfolk & Essex ones .

Thanks again
John
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Sawston on Monday 20 June 11 07:38 BST (UK)
I am also searching for the parents of Samuel Gent as he is my GG Grandfather via Thomas Gent & Mary Hood; Arthur Gent & Winifred Johnson and Donald Gent & Ethel Hobson.

Merlin
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: mortieau on Monday 20 June 11 17:58 BST (UK)
Hi Sawston,
I take it the Thomas Gent who married Mary Hood, was the son of Samuel & Ann ( nee Payne) bpt 1830 in Wood Ditton, Cambridgeshire. I'm decended from his brother, also a Samuel bpt 15/2/1824 in Wood Ditton.

As I said in my original query Samuel Gent Sr seemed to have arrived out of the blue in Wood Ditton and pretty rapidly had set himself up as a farmer of some 500 acres, mainly it seems raising cattle. The puzzle is all the Gent families I've been able to trace around Selston were either miners or agricultural labourers, so how did Samuel get the wherewithal to set himself up like this?

Best
John

Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Sawston on Monday 20 June 11 19:31 BST (UK)
Hi John,
Samuel and his family were tenants to the Duke of Rutland and I wonder if he shipped Samuel in from another of his estates to run the ones in Cambridgeshire.  Unfortunately the Duke of Rutland's archives are not available to look at.  My aunt Molly was convinced Samuel was born in Derbyshire not Nottinghamshire.  Mining began in earnest around the beginning of the 1800s and lots of farmers were thrown off their land to make way for the mines.
As soon as I get my Francis Barnett Merlin motorcycle on the road, I'm going to make an effort to crack this once and for all.
Regards
Merlin
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: suzard on Monday 20 June 11 20:37 BST (UK)
These  are the Gents I could find b late 1700's early 1800's born in Selston  on 1851 census
Theophilus Gent y.o.b. 1791
Edward gent  y.o.b. 1798
William Gent 1808

There are a lot of Gents b. Bulwell (on 1851 census)

Your Aunt being convinced Samuel was b Derbys -she is not too far off the mark - at the time Samuel was born  some from Codnor & Loscoe Derbys were married /baptised at Selston Notts

Codnor to Selston is approx 6 miles by road now - but would be much less than that  over the fields

Suz
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: suzard on Monday 20 June 11 20:50 BST (UK)
I haave discovered (family search)
Theophilus - mother Sarah Gent
Edward father Edward gent
William parents Edward and Mary gent

all baptised in Selston

There is a Samuel Gent baptised in Selston 10 yrs before yours was born - father Samuel

I can't find any of the Bulwell born Gents living  in Selston

Suz
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: mortieau on Tuesday 21 June 11 15:18 BST (UK)
Thanks Merlin & Suz, if you do come across any more info on Samuel Gent I sure would be interested in it, as it has for several years been one of my 'brick walls' that have me stumped.

Best
John
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Dave Rowlands on Tuesday 21 June 11 16:46 BST (UK)
Hi,

I have just started researching my family, and find i am related to the Gents mentioned above. Searching for smart links on My Heritage.com took me to the Abbott website. Samuel Abbott is my Maternal great grandfather. I would contact the via the website where the Gent/Farncome conection is traced to mid 1600's

http://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-73155911/abbott

All the best

Dave Rowlands
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: mortieau on Tuesday 21 June 11 20:34 BST (UK)
Hi Dave,
The trouble with this Samuel Gent you show was he was born 1783 whereas
the Samuel Gent in the Wood Ditton/Saxon Street in the 1841-71 censuses say he was born 1793-6 and when he died 20/9/1872 his age is given as 78, so again born 1794.

To get his birthdate a few years out seems possible, but 11 years seems too much of a stretch. Also I seem to remember this 1783 Samuel Gent did turn up locally to Selston in the 1841 census and so I had eliminated him from my possibles.

Best
John
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Dave Rowlands on Tuesday 21 June 11 21:29 BST (UK)
Sorry, i thought it was a long shot but worth a try...

Dave
Title: Re: Samuel Gent /? bpt in Bulwell 1790's
Post by: Nottschick on Tuesday 21 June 11 22:35 BST (UK)
Just a thought.  I've been dozens of times to the archives and have extracted every B, M and D in Selston relating to Gent and a few other interlinked surnames as well.   The Samuel bap 7th July 1783 to Samuel and his wife is my direct line if that's any use to anyone. 
 The William in Family Search born to Edward and Mary in 1808 does not exist.
The nearest is an Ann bap 3/1/1808 to Sam and Mary, followed by another Ann to the same couple 19/3/1809. They are the only Gent baps in 1808.

If anyone would like a check of any Selston Gent entry, please PM me. 

NC.