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I have a relative called John Love who was born in Jackfield, Ironbridge in 1833. Married Susan Turner in 1857 and is shown on the 1861 census as living in Essington, Staffs with his wife Susan and son Robert. However on the 1871 census Susan is shown as married but boarding with her mum with sons Robert (12) Hezekiah (9) and Mercy (3) and there is no sign of John. On the 1881 census Susan is marked as widowed. However I cannot find any death certificate for John Love. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Kev
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Kev, there's a John Lowe of the right age, death registered at Wolverhampton nr Essington...
Deaths Dec 1876
Lowe John 44 Wolverhampton 6b 329
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Thanks Paul, I will send for a death cert for more info.
Kev
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Hiya Kev
Save your money
Off the W-ton Archives site buried St Peters 17 Dec 1876 John LOWE 45years Locksmith
Could he perhaps have been working abroad? One woman in my tree always appeared without her husband listed as married until 1901 when she was a widow but some thoughtful soul had written 'husband working in India on the railroads' on the 1891
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
Not sure now whether this is the right one as John Love was a coal miner and not a lock smith????
Kev
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Hiya Kev
Thats what I ment - I dont think its the right one either
Essington came under Penkridge registration then Cannock after 1877
Willow x
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Willow,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Have been checking through the census' again and still cannot find sight nor sound of him. It doesn't help that he seemed to move about a lot, 1841 at home in Shropshire, 1851, a visitor in Willenhall, 1861 living in Essington.
Oh well I'll keep looking. I did find a John Love that was classed as a lunatic in 1871 but he was also a different John Love.
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Just to confuse things more on the 1891 census we have
at 37 George Street, Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
John Love 59 Widow b Shropshire coal miner
RG12/2674 Folio 88 Page 31
Hes there on the 1901 too with a new wife
20 Allen Street Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
John Love 67 head M b Salop Shropshire coalminer
Sarah Love 59 wife M b Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
RG13/3156 Folio 106 Page 14
Willow x
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Just looked him up on 1911 census and he is still alive as is his wife
LOVE, JOHN HEAD MARRIED M 77 COAL MINER - HEWER BROSELEY - SALOP - SHROPSHIRE
LOVE, SARAH WIFE MARRIED 20 F 72 HUCKNALL NOTTS
curiouser and curiouser!!!
So question is did Susan and John agree to split and class each other as dead?? will have to do some digging as there was another John Love in Broseley at the same time.
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Curiouser and Curiouser indeed!
On the 1881 we have John Love b 1830 Brosley prisoner in Gillingham Kent RG11/897 Folio 64 Page 13
On the 1871 there is a John Love b 1833 Brosley married to a Catherine in Wolverhampton but there is a marriage on FreeREG 10.11.1856 at St Georges Wolverhampton for a John Love to a Catherine Gintry
Also have you thought that the couple he is with in 1851 are his sister and brother in law?
Willow x
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A John Love was given 12 years imprisonment by Stafford Assizes on 19.3.1878 for wounding
Unfortunately the entry doesnt give any more information
Catherine is still in Wolverhampton 1881 but without her husband and listed as married
Willow x
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OK working backwards and sideways a bit
Ann wife of James Oliver on the 1851 census
baptism on the IGI for Ann Love 23.3.1823 at Saint Leonard, Broseley, Shropshire parents Robert and Elizabeth
There is also
Mary Ann 3.7.1825
William 9.9.181
Samuel 7.2.830
Marian 13.8.1843
John 28.4.1833
This rules out the John married to Catherine as his father was Thomas
Willow x
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Curiouser and Curiouser indeed!
Also have you thought that the couple he is with in 1851 are his sister and brother in law?
Willow x
But according to the marriage records he didn't get married to Susan Turner until 1857. However there are Turners at the same place so I wonder if he was working away and possibly met a relative of Susan who introduced the two of them since in 1861 it looks like John and Susan were living next door to Susan's parents. Also John and Susan called one of their sons Hezekiah which is one of the names on the 1851 census. It looks like John had moved over to Staffs for work reasons.
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OK working backwards and sideways a bit
Ann wife of James Oliver on the 1851 census
baptism on the IGI for Ann Love 23.3.1823 at Saint Leonard, Broseley, Shropshire parents Robert and Elizabeth
There is also
Mary Ann 3.7.1825
William 9.9.181
Samuel 7.2.830
Marian 13.8.1843
John 28.4.1833
This rules out the John married to Catherine as his father was Thomas
Willow x
Robert and Elizabeth are the names of the parents of the John I have been looking for. If you don't mind me asking where did you get this info from.
I appreciate greatly all this help!
Kev
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Hiya Kev
Off the International Genealogical Index (IGI) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Its not complete but very useful. The John who married Catherine was baptised 3.6.1832 Broseley parents Thomas and Sarah
Glad to help ;D
Willow x
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With that info we have
1841
Jackfield Broseley Shropshire
Robert Love 40 collier
Elizabeth 40
Ann 15 labourer
Samuel 10
John 5
Rebecca 5
all born in county
HO107/Piece 928 Book 4
off the IGI Robert Love married Elizabeth George 4.2.1821 Saint Leonard, Broseley, Shropshire
forgot to say the Wolverhampton info off FreeREG http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl and Wolverhampton History site http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/familyhistory
Willow x
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Thanks for all the info and help, I only live a couple of miles from Broseley so a weekend visit may be called for!
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Glad to help other have done the same for me in the past on here
I think that Robert and Thomas (father of the other John) may be brothers.
It might be worth dropping an e-mail to Stafford archives to see if they have copies of the Stafford Assizes records. If you can pin down more details of which John was sentenced it might clear things up further. I'll keep my eyes open in the meantime
Willow x
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Thanks again for all the help. I have ordered a copy of John and Susan's marriage certificate which will hopefully confirm his parent's names. I have emailed Stafford to see if I can get any more info on the court case. I will drop you a line on what I find.
Kevin
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No problem Kev it will be great to be updated
Willow x
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John's father was indeed Robert. Interestingly the marriage to Susan was not witnessed by Robert but by a Richard Love.
Kev
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Interesting might be another brother but looking on the census there isnt anyone of that name until 1878 and he is a Richard Robert Love son of Thomas b 1841 Brosley (Johns brother?)
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
I was hoping you may be able to assist. I have done some more investigating and according to the 1841 census Robert and Elizabeth had a daughter called Ann, 15, Samuel, 10 and John and Rebeccca both aged 5, therefore born 1836
Now on the 1851 census John is not registered at home but Rebecca is and is classed as 15. John is on the 181 census but is shown as being 28 and therefore born 1833. I have found a John Love on the 1851 census and he is 18.
What do you think?
Kevin
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Hiya Kevin
I think they are the right ones I've found that they are a little sloppy with ages on the 1841 census. I know they were supposed to round ages up for adults but they were often a bit out with the childrens as well
Of the IGI John is baptised 1833 so that would fit
Though one of mine that appears on a certain site as being 106 is way out! (He was 6 theres a mark on the page lol)
Willow x
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Thanks Willow, it certainly fits. Looks like a trip to the NA may be needed to look for the court records re John as they cannot be obtained online ( unless I want to spend a minimum of £60)
Rebecca was still at home with Robert and Elizabeth in 1851 and then at home with Elizabeth in 1861 where Elzabeth was head of the household.
Thanks again for all your help.
Kevin