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From 1891 census Joseph Bowers was born about 1844 - place of birth Nk, Cheshire and also his wife Elizabeth born about 1845 Nk, Cheshire. (In 1891 they were living in Hazel Slade, Rugeley, Staffordshire and Joseph was a miner)
On 1901 census Elizabeth gives place of birth as Tapley, Cheshire.
Could anyone please help me interpret this - could Tapley be Tarporley.
Now Cheshire district has been split where would I find the records?
I'm new to this so all clues would be a big help. ::)
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
This could be Joseph's birth:
Joseph Bowers 1845 1st quarter ( ie Jan, Feb or March)
Macclesfield Cheshire
19 155
Do you have his wife's maiden name?
Jan
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Welcome to RootsChat Blubelle :) (and Hi Jan)
The 1871 census shows her birth place as 'Hudkinton'.
The nearest soundex to Hudkinton that I can find is Utkinton, which seems to be a chapelry in Tarporley parish
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/utkinton.html
Do you know Elizabeth's maiden name at all? :)
PS. Joseph's birth place in 1881 and 1871 is Eccles Lancashire
:)
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Hi Tati
Do you think that's the wrong one I suggested? If so I'll have another look.
Jan
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I have no idea, Jan. Just mentioned what I saw on the censuses I looked at. He might well have been from Cheshire after all! :D
Was Elizabeth called Dilworth by any chance, Blubelle?
I spotted 2 likely marriages for Joseph Bowers to Elizabeth between 1861 and 1871:
1867 - Joseph Bowers to Elizabeth Critchlow at Alton St Peter
1867 - Joseph Bowers to Elizabeth Dilworth at Stoke (Civil marriage)
In 1861, an Elizabeth Dilworth age 14 born Tarporley is living at Penkhull with her sisters Mary and Jane.
(They were already in Penkhull 10 years earlier, parents Joseph and Elizabeth. Her christening is on the IGI at www.familysearch.org)
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Hi Tati and Jan
You're quick on the look up!!
No don't know maiden name was hoping to find the marriage record too but don't know date or where. Presume they might have married before moving to Rugeley first son born 1869 (but not sure if he was first born as there were 2 sisters not listed on the 1891 census who may have been older - 7 children in all)
You've given me something to think about though!!
:)
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If it was Dilworth this might be the birth:
Elizabeth Dilworth
1st quarter 1845
Nantwich Cheshire
19 152
Jan
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According to the 1871 census, Mary J was the first born:
1871
RG10/2819 160 28
Castle Church, Staffordshire
26 Castle St
Joseph Bowers, head, 27, Railway Labourer, b. Lancashire Eccles
Elizabeth, wife, 26, b. Cheshire Hudkinton
Mary J, dau, 4, b. Staffordshire Stoke
Joseph, son, 3, b. Staffordshire Castle Ch
Elizabeth, dau, 6 mo, b. do.
I'm pretty confident I've found the correct marriage but to ascertain Elizabeth's maiden name you'll have to order the birth certificate of one of the children.
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Hi all
Thanks so much for your help. I've learnt so much in just a few minutes.
So far
think the Marriage to Elizabeth Critchlow looks like the right one (had a look on Family Search) and seems to be with the right Joseph from Eccles. I would never have thought of looking there!!
Children I know of:
Albert Bowers
Arthur Bowers (think he died in a pit accident)
Edith Bowers
Henry Bowers
Joseph Bowers
Virginia Bowers
Emma Bowers
didn't know about Mary J
would never have thought about ordering birth certificate to find maiden name. Thanks so much :D
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think the Marriage to Elizabeth Critchlow looks like the right one
What makes you say so? The family as we see them in 1871 have a connection to Stoke but not to Alton. Also, there doesn't seem to be an Elizabeth Critchlow born Tarperley on earlier censuses, but there is a matching Elizabeth Dilworth.
Oh well, let's see what the birth cert says :D
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Just had a quick look at the censuses and my guess is that this is the Joseph Bowers/Elizabeth Critchlow couple:
1881 census for Denston, Staffordshire (Alton sub registration district)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06wp/
RG11/2743 81 12
(The 1861 census shows an Elizabeth Critchlow born Wooton ca. 1835)
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Hi Tati
Thanks so much for your investigations I will order a birth certificate and let you know the result. I can see how easy it would be to go up a blind alley.
All the suggestions have been so useful and given me more leads to follow.
Thanks again to all.
:)
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Hi all
Well Tati you were right Dilworth was the right maiden name, will be ordering the birth certificate to see where that leads.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Blubelle :D
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Nice when things fall into place :)
1861
RG9/1938 130 21
Penkhull, Staffordshire
Upper Vine Row
Mary Dilworth, head, unm, 21, Potter (Paintress), b. Cheshire Tarvan
Elizabeth, sister, 16, Potter (Burnisher), b. Cheshire Tarporley
Jane, sister, 11, Potter (Paper Cutter), b. do.
1851
HO107/2006 183 69
Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire
Penkhull
Joseph Dilworth, head, 32, Ag lab
Elizabeth, wife, 34
Mary, dau, 10, at home
Elizabeth, dau, 6, at home
Jane, dau, 1
Charles ?Wynsiter?, visitor, mar, 21, Ag lab
All shown as being born Cheshire Tarvin
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1841 census
HO107/98/2 5 22
Tarvin, Cheshire
Village
Joseph Dilworth, 20, Farmer
Elizth, 20
Mary, 9 months
John Bennett, 70, Ind
Elizabeth Bennett, 60?, Ind
+ 5 servants
Marriage Dec 1839 Gt Broughton 19 77
Joseph Dilworth to Elizabeth Bennett (marriage at Tarvin St Andrew according to www.cheshirebmd.org.uk)
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Joseph Bowers remains a bit of a mystery though.
I can't see a Joseph Bowers born ca. 1844 Eccles on earlier censuses.
There is one Joseph Hiram Bowers born ca. 1844 at Lostock Lancashire (christened 11 Aug 1844 at Over Peover Cheshire, mother Emma) and living at Snelson Cheshire who seems to disappear after 1861 but I'm not sure he's the boy we're looking for...
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Thanks Tati
Never thought I'd get back so far so quickly - even a few details can be intriguing and make you want to find out more (very addictive isn't it)
Blubelle ;D
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Hi Tati
Just to let you know Joseph Bowers was from Eccles. On 1911 census he must have filled it in himself with correct birthplace - Eccles!! not Cheshire!
Blubelle ;D
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blubelle
in regard to your question Now Cheshire district has been split where would I find the records?
The records haven't moved only the place name they are in :)
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks for the info :)
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Hi Bluebell
I have started this week to research my Bowers family tree. It seems that my grandfather Arthur was the son of Joseph and Elizabeth Bowers.(1881 Census) If this is true I can confirm that he did not die in a mining accident. In 1902 he was in the S.Staffs Regiment in South Africa. In 1940's he was a miner at the valley Pit in Hednesford and lived at Church Hill Hednesford. Have not yet confirmed his date of death but think it was 1953 ish.
Any information you can give me about any of the Bowers family would be appreciated. I have a little information on Arthurs son Raymond, my father.
Regards GrumpyamI
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Hi Cousin
I did wonder about Arthur as I couldn't find his name on any of the mining accident lists.
My line is through Arthur's sister Edith Bowers who then married Thomas Clarke and lived in Stockport. My mother Elizabeth Ann is the only surviving child, now aged 98 of their 6 children.
I have followed Elizabeth's Bowers (nee Dilworth) line back to her Cheshire roots so can let you have that info, although Joseph is much more elusive.
If you have had more than 3 posts I can send you a personal message with the details (not done that before so will have to find out how!)
Nice to hear from you
Blubelle
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Hi Blubelle
Thanks for your prompt reply. I am however somewhat confused (Nothing Unusual).
The Arthur Bowers I am tracing was the son of Elizabeth Dilworth.
The only Edith I have seen was the daughter of Elizabeth Critchlow.
Help!!
I haven't got the necessary 3 posts yet but should have in the near future.
Regards and Thanks
GrumpyamI
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Its ok don't worry Elizabeth Dilworth married Joseph Bowers and their children were
Edith b1887 my grandmother
Albert b.1880
Arthur b.1876 your grandfather
Henry b.1878
Joseph b.1869
Emma b.1873
Virginia b.???? or Mary Jane b.1867
Hope that helps
Blubelle :D :D
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Hi blubelle
Thanks for your help so far. I to am not progressing with Joseph but would be very interested to see you details on Elizabeth Dilworth.
Regards
GrumpyamI
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Hi GrumpyamI,
We found earlier details for her on the previous page of this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,399677.msg2696626.html#msg2696626
:)
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Hi GrumyamI
Just wondering if you knew where any of the other male children of Elizabeth and Joseph went. My mum was told that Jacky Bowers,footballer for Derby County was a cousin but he was born in Scunthorpe? I do know that the 3 girls all moved to Stockport.
If I hadn't found Rootschat I would still be at square one - its brilliant.
I have sent you a private message if you want to chat in more detail.
Blubelle ::) ::)
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1841 census
HO107/98/2 5 22
Tarvin, Cheshire
Village
Joseph Dilworth, 20, Farmer
Elizth, 20
Mary, 9 months
John Bennett, 70, Ind
Elizabeth Bennett, 60?, Ind
+ 5 servants
Marriage Dec 1839 Gt Broughton 19 77
Joseph Dilworth to Elizabeth Bennett (marriage at Tarvin St Andrew according to www.cheshirebmd.org.uk)
on CPRDb there are 9 marriages for Dilworth.....2 of those involved are people from TARVP...presume Tarvin...worth a look....allan
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Hi Tati, blubelle and garstonite
Thanks very much for all you work and advice, am continuing to search for Joseph Bowers (Eccles Lancs) Elizabeth Dilworths husband.
Regards
GrumpyamI