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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: tibby5911 on Sunday 16 August 09 09:46 BST (UK)
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I am in Edinburgh and a real novice to genealogy. I am having massive trouble getting very far at all with my English ancestors. :( My father was John Lysaught Taylor, his father was Herbert Taylor born 1895 ?died in the early 1940's. Herbert's father was James Isles Taylor, don't know when he died but know he is buried in Downall Green Cemetery in Wigan. My father (John) Mother was Lilian Wood or Woods born about 1895 ? When Herbert died, she married his brother Walter. Lilian died late 1950's. Any information at all would be wonderful. :)
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Hi Tibby,
This seems to be the reference for Herbert and Lilian's marriage:
Jun 1919 Ecclesall Bierlow 9c 1106
The actual certificate would show her ages and father's names.
In the meantime, I can see only one James Iles Taylor:
1881 census:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06wm/
RG11/4842 35 63
By 1891 the family are in Pemberton Lancashire and there's a son Walter born ca. 1891. I'll post the details when I have found them in 1901 and confirmed that they also had a son Herbert :)
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Yessss 8)
1901
RG13/3572 144 23
Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire
5 Park St
4 rooms occupied
James I Taylor, head, 50, Coal Hewer, b. Lancs Swinton
Annie, wife, 46, b. Yorks Moulton
John T, son, 20, Coal Hewer, b. Yorks Skelton
James I, son, 16, Coal Hewer below ground, b. do.
Edith, dau, 15, b. do.
William E, son, 13, b. Lancs Pemberton
Walter, son, 11, b. do.
Herbert, son, 6, b. do.
Thomas, son, 2, b. do.
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Thanks for all your help, so soon. ;D I did make one mistake, Lilian Died a bit sooner, maybe the late 1940's. Thanks again. :)
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1891
RG12/3063 130 45
Pemberton, Lancashire
Newtown
26 Albert St
4 rooms occupied
James Taylor, head, 40, Coal Miner, b. Lincolnshire Sibinshead?
Annie, wife, 36, b. Yorkshire Molton
Rhoda, dau, 17, Labourer at Pit Brow?, b. Lancashire Pemberton
Mary A, dau, 16, ditto, b. do.
Richard, son, 13, Labourer in Coal Mine, b. Yorkshire Skelton
Ruth, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
John I, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Mabel, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
James, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Edith, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
William, son, 3, b. Lancashire Pemberton
Walter, son, 1, b. do.
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Sorry but I don't think I'll be able to pinpoint Lilian's death without having more details - at least a pretty exact date and place of death :-\
In the meantime I've traced James Iles Taylor back
Birth registration
Iles Taylor Dec 1851 Boston 14 279
1861 census
RG9/2340 72 17
Sutterton, Lincolnshire
Kirton Fen
John Taylor, head, mar, 35, Ag lab
Thomas, son, 11
James Iles do., son, 9
George, son, 7
All born Swineshead
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I suspect that this is James' mother in the same 1861 census:
RG9/2339 22 20
Swineshead, Lincolnshire
Thomas Taylor, head, 66, Ag lab, b. Pottershale (something)
Thoda, wife, 63, b. Swineshead - blind
Ruth, dau, unm, 24, Dress Maker, b. do.
Ruth Taylor, dau, in law, mar, 35, **ay Maker, b. Sutterton
John Taylor, grandson, 5, b. Swineshead
William, grandson, 3, b. do.
Mary, granddau, 2, b. do.
Rhoda, granddau, 2 mo, b. Sutterton
According to the 1871 census, at least the grandchildren John and William belonged to the unmarried daughter Ruth. Interestingly, John age 5 was John Iles Taylor - must have been a family name in the Taylor family.
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1881
James Iles Taylor 29 Ironstone Miner Twineshead, Lincoln
Annie Taylor 25 Ironstone Miners Wife Molton Yorkshire
Rhoda Taylor 7 Pemberton Lancashire
Mary Ann Taylor 6 Pemberton Lancashire
Richard Taylor 4 Lingdale Yorkshire
Ruth Taylor 2 Lingdale Yorkshire
John Thos. Taylor Lingdale Yorkshire
1 Dixon St
As I had typed it thought I would post it
Regards Judi
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The other children were
John's James' siblings apparently:
1871 census
RG10/4853 95 13
Brotton, Yorkshire
John I Taylor, head, 45, Ironminer, b. Lincs Swineshead
Susannah, wife, 48, b. Cornwall Landcar**
James I, son, 19, Iron Miner, b. Lincs Swineshead
Mary I, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
Rhoda, dau, 10, b. do.
John, son, 7, scholar, b. Yorks Redcar
William, son, 5, scholar, b. Yorks Rosedale
Pamlan? Knuckey?, stepdau, 6, scholar, b. Cornwall Four Lanes
Nathaniel Martin?, boarder, 26, Iron Miner, b. Cornwall Gwennap
John do., boarder, 22, Iron Miner, b. do.
Francis W Rose, boarder, 19, Pit Fireman, b; Yorks Boweston?
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Thanks everyone for being so helpful. :) There is a lot of information for me to digest. I'll have another look in the attic to see if I can come up with anything more. :)
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This looks like the Walter Taylor = Lilian Taylor marriage:
1923, Jan-Mar, Prestwich, 8d, 349
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Hi again all. I can't believe I have had so much information so quickly. There are just a couple of things I'm stumped with. ??? Aulus, Herbert and Lilian never divorced. Herbert died about 1945 and Lilian married Walter Taylor (Herbert's Brother) maybe 1 year or 2 years later. So a Lilian and Walter marriage would have to be 1945/46/47. Sorry. :(
Tati, What makes you think (In the 1871 census you say.) John and William belong to unmarried daughter Ruth? Not that I,m ashamed to have illegitimacy in my family. :o honest ;D How did you work it out? My head is birlin with all these names and dates. :) Kindest Regards All. :)
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Well, she doesn't seem to have felt uncomfortable about it - the census says so :)
1871
RG10/3345 24 22
Swineshead, Lincolnshire
Ruth Taylor, mother, unm, 32, Dressmaker, b. Swineshead
John Isles do., son, 15, Labourer agr, b. do.
William Taylor, son, 13, Labourer ag, b. do.
Rhoda Beatrice do., dau, 3, b. do.
Annie Odelie do., dau, 2, b. do.
Joseph Hammond do., son, 1 mo, b. do.
:)
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On the contrary, she seems very comfortable indeed with the situation. What a minx. :-[ Thank you very much for that Tati. :)