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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Ed the Cat on Sunday 16 August 09 07:30 BST (UK)
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I've tried to look for census records for New Zealand but seem to have gone round in a circle ::) could some one point/push me in the right direction please
thanks very much
Ed
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They destroy the census records after its been taken so there are none like the English census
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thanks Aynsley, thats a big pity never mind
ed
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Hi Ed
Alot of info though can be gained from Electoral roll, Directories and telelphone books.
What time period are you lokking for
Bye
Althea
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looking around 1883 - 1887
the family landed in Wellington in 1883, not sure where they went after they landed, this is my Uncles family I'm just trying to find some links for them
thanks
Ed
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If you give details we can check
some online wellington stuff here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~babznz/electoral.html
BYe
Althea
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The family name is Guttery and they settled in Wairoa. The person we are looking for is Harry, now we know when he died etc, but its his birth that is a mystery. He was born (supposedly) 1883 June of that year but......... the family left UK via Glasgow Dec 1882 on the steamer Wellington and arrived 13 Mar 1883. I suspect that his mother was expecting him before she left the UK as I cant find a UK birth for him for around that time and there is nothing in the Scottish records either for a birth, so he could have been born on route but don't know how to find that out.
this is the information that my Uncle gave me, people on here have already found information about the family that we know already, but its Harry's birth that is the mystery at the mo
I thought that I would try and do some digging of my own, thanks to this web site my Unlce now has another contact here in NZ and it seems another branch of the family :)
Thanks
Ed
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people on here have already found information about the family that we know already, but its Harry's birth that is the mystery at the mo
Link to previous >>
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,394512.0.html
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the WWI records say he was born Wario.
Son of Maria Henry (formerly Guttery), of Wilkin St.,
Waimate; husband of Isabella Guttery. Born at Wario.
Cemetery
NZ - WAIMATE CEMETERY
Was his father William? or did only his mother come
School record, Southland
GUTTERY Harry School Wairio
Admission Date 1889
Parent / Guardian William Guttery
(NZSG Index CD)
Bye
Althea
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Thanks for that Althea.
As FAR as my Uncle knows three of the family arrived here, his mother and his grandparents, which makes us wonder if his mother was expecting him on her travels ;)
Where should we look for his birth certificate, sorry if this sounds a dumb question but I'm use to UK records ;) :)
I think the William may well be his Grandfather
I'm going to pass this on to my Uncle
thank you again
Ed
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http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=32268&SearchID=7680152&Ordinal=2
Has your uncle got the service record, enlistments details etc may be there
In the 1893 Electoral roll
Surname GUTTERY Given Name William
Number 1350 Electorate Wallace
Voting Qualification Residential Residential Address Wairio
Occupation Carpenter
(NZSG E Roll CD)
Bye
Althea
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Hi there and thanks again, I have past the information on to my Uncle and told him to join this website ;D I think that he is going to apply for Harry's death cert as well
once again thank you very much for your help
Ed
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Hi All
I've just posted to Ed the Cat's earlier thread - see link above - (won't repeat it all here). :D
There is though, something "strange" about the passenger list for the vessel "Wellington" which arrived in Invercargill 8 March 1883.
Passengers named "GURTREY" (seems to be a misspelling of GUTTERY ?) are as follows :
Maria - aged 43 (bc 1840)
Maria - aged 20 (bc 1863)
Walter H. - aged 11 (eleven) years (bc 1872).
SO ... is this Walter H. the son of Maria (aged 43) ... and the brother of Maria (aged 20) ???
[There is a marriage of a "Walter Henry GUTTERY - 1891 - to Elizabeth Jane REED" ... and a probably death of this Walter (aged 34 ?) in 1901 ? ]
Almost certainly this Walter H. GURTERY (GUTTERY) on the passenger list, is NOT the husband of the Maria GURTERY (GUTTERY) aged 20.
see next post >>
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the WWI records say he was born Wario.
Son of Maria Henry (formerly Guttery), of Wilkin St.,
Great find Althea ! :)
Maria GUTTERY married Reuben HENRY - 1889
Question :
Was this Maria GURTERY (GUTTERY) the "widowed daughter-in-law" of Maria (aged 43) ... or ... her daughter ?
[Perhaps the marriage certificate (1889) will tell if Maria junior was a widow ... and if she wasn't, then that may provide the clue as to why the birth of Harry is (apparently) unregistered ?]
Lu
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Was his father William? or did only his mother come
School record, Southland
GUTTERY Harry School Wairio
Admission Date 1889
Parent / Guardian William Guttery
(NZSG Index CD)
WAIROA ??? Has this been confused with WAIRIO (South Island) ?
Ed --- on your earlier thread, I had already mentioned that there was PapersPast link to a "Harry GUTTERY".
It refers to a "Mr GUTTERY" and a "Harry GUTTERY ... and further mentions "Mr. and Mrs. HENRY".
[Mr GUTTERY is said to have been the first resident of the settlement of Wairio (near Nightcaps) and the 1905 article states he is nearly "73" - (so born c. 1832). Possibly he is the husband of Maria senior ... and he may have arrived in NZ earlier than 1883 (ahead of the rest of his family) ? ]
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
Otautau Standard and Wallace County Chronicle
5 July 1905 - "Valedictory"
Lu
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Yes Lu
Maybe onto something
1881 Electoral roll that William is there
Electorate Wallace
Surname GUTTERY Given Names William
Freehold, Otautau
Occupation Carpenter
(NZSG EROLL CD)
Will check some directories
Bye
Althea
Lots of GUTTERY buried at Wairio
http://cemeterysearch.southlanddc.govt.nz/
GUTTERY, Arthur George
GUTTERY, Arthur Henry
GUTTERY, Elizabeth
GUTTERY, Elizabeth
GUTTERY, Elizabeth Jane
GUTTERY, Gordon Reed
GUTTERY, John Edward
GUTTERY, Kathleen Mary
GUTTERY, Peter
GUTTERY, Walter Henry
GUTTERY, Walter William Anzac
GUTTERY, William
Name for William appeared 1892 to 1905 Wises Director, as Carpenter of Nightcaps.
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Hi Althea
Burials - Wairio
William GUTTERY - d. 1918 - aged 85 (bc 1833)
seems most likely to be the William GUTTERY mentioned in the 1905 PapersPast article with Harry GUTTERY - (Mr GUTTERY "nearly 73" (bc 1832) ? ).
In the burial plot next to William GUTTERY (d. 1918), is an infant named "Alice M. HENRY - d. 1893 aged 20 months".
Alice M. HENRY appears to be the daughter of Reuben HENRY and Maria (nee GUTTERY). [Alice Margaret HENRY b. 1892 - parents - Reuben and Maria : Death - 1893- Alice Margaret HENRY- 20 months].
Is Alice Margaret then, the grand-daughter of William GUTTERY ?
Mmm ... there is a death for "a Maria GUTTERY in 1905 - aged 70 years - bc 1835" ... was she the wife of William (d. 1918) - she's not buried at Wairio ?
Lu
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Hi there and thanks again, I have past the information on to my Uncle and told him to join this website ;D
I think that he is going to apply for Harry's death cert as well
once again thank you very much for your help
Ed
Hi Ed
Just a suggestion. :) Rather than your Uncle purchase the death record for Harry GUTTERY, Harry's marriage record would be a much more reliable source of information (given that Harry himself would have supplied details).
[If ordering the record, be sure to request a "printout" - this gives the maximum amount of information].
Lu
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Contact from GenesReunited
and yes William, Maria snr's husband did come 3 years earlier.
So given that it would seem that HARRY is daughters son
Have suggested to that reseracher that they need the certs (marriage of maria to Reuben Henry to confirm.
Bye
Althea
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Have suggested to that reseracher that they need the certs (marriage of maria to Reuben Henry to confirm.
Hi Althea
Well yes, Marriage certs. needed for both. ;)
M/C for Harry GUTTERY to determine who he has stated as his FATHER ?
M/C for Maria GUTTERY, to determine if her parents were William and Maria GUTTERY. ;)
Lu
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thanks for your help. I have past all information on to my Uncle and told him that he should join this website,
thanks again
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thanks for your help. I have past all information on to my Uncle and told him that he should join this website,
thanks again