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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: deevla on Tuesday 11 August 09 16:11 BST (UK)
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Hi all
I am new to family research, I have found my grt grt grandmother on the 1911 census in dublin. it states she had 7 children 2 still alive. What id like to know is how do I find these children that died, I have no names for them. Where do i go from here. Any help greatly appreciated.
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The 1901 census is due online on the same website later this year which should help....
you can search an index to Irish Civil BMD registrations at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
If you find a promising match you can order a cert from the GRO - www.groireland.ie
Shane
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Can't see the entry you mean- is this her?
Rosanna TAAFFE age 40 married 19 years 5 children/3 living
husband Edwrd age 50 and daughters Katie 17 and Rose 12.
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The entry in 1911 census is Rosanns taaffee patrick and james taaffee and jane woods servant.
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I think this is the census return for the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Mabbot_St_/20245/
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Yes thats it thanks Taid, I don't know how to add links i'm afraid.
Thanks Shane I have looked through the bmds from the Marriage date of Rosanna and John 1894 to 1911 and there are so many I dont know how to narrow it down. Is there another way I can do this?
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This is just a snapshot of the information on the census,I don't envy you the 17 year span you will need to search to find births and deaths for the other children with just the year of marriage and 1903 ruled out.the indexes up to about 1928 don't show the maiden name of the mother.do you have any other facts which might point you in the right direction.
Anne
Rossans? year of birth - 1875 possibly
Patrick - ..... 1894 .....
James................... 1903 ....
marriage for Rossans 1894 ......
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Nothing other than the parents where both born and married in the same area dublin north district and rosanna died (Same address as 1911 census)in 1916 of bullet wounds during the Easter Rising. So il just have to go through all of north dublin registration as im presuming they did not move during that time.
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On the first page (of 9) of death results for Dublin North I counted 24 deaths of children with the surname Taaffe.. most aged less than one. I was thinking that if the numbers were less that it would be possible to order a few likely certs. But with that number that's not an option.
Another idea might be to look for first names that appear in the family - i.e Rosanna, her husbands name (John?), other names that appear in later generations.. also Rosanna and her husband's father's names if you know them from their marriage cert.
Shane
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Thats great Shane, Thank you for your help. I will have another look now.
Dee
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Do you know when Rosanna became a widow? That might help narrow down a bit.
Dara.
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Thanks Dara it was 1910.
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Name: John Taaffe
Registration district: Dublin North
Record type: MARRIAGES
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1894
Volume: 2
Page: 551
Name: Rosanna Kavanagh
Registration district: Dublin North
Record type: MARRIAGES
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1894
Volume: 2
Page: 551
There is no record of a John Taaffe dying in 1910 in Dublin
But i did find this
http://www.funeralbooking.com/index.cfm?required=f1%2Cf2%2Cyddeath&fuseaction=xml.genealogyresults&fname=john&lname=taaffe&yddeath=1910
http://www.funeralbooking.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=xml.genealogyexresults&required=f1%2Cf2&fnameo=B&fname=rosanna&lnameo=B&lname=taaffe&address1=&yddeatho=B&yddeath=1920&aa=Search
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http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
the pilot site on FamilySearch shows
there's a John Taffe (b about 1871) dying quarter 3, 1910 Dublin South
eadaoin
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If Roseanna's father turns out to be James I would be very interested. My wifes ancestor was Peter Kavanagh son of James, he was born in 1854 in Wicklow and married in Finglas Church on 07 Oct 1873, his wifes name was Rose Reilly. The name Rose appears down thru the family.
Rory
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Her fathers name was James but as yet have no info on him, other than he lived at 3 moore row in 1894 when rosanna and John married.
Deevla
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If you can make any connections with the Cabra/Finglas area we might have a match with the fathers name James, although your Rose would have been only about 3 when my Peter was married.
Rory
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D.
The Irish Times Handbook for the 1916 Uprising on Page 57 lists 250 persons who were interred at Glasnevin and has the following entry
Taaffe Rosanna (41) 26 Corporation Street
Regards Quaxer
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the GRO in Dublin has Index books with mother's maiden name - from about 1903 .. I was in there today looking at 1906-1910 (not earlier, sorry)
there's one entry which might be of interest ..
1906 quarter 1 - Joseph TAFFE (Kavanagh) Dublin N. 2/3/06 ..vol 2 p 538
didn't see any in 1907-1910
regards eadaoin
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Thank you so much for that.
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Hi Deevla,
It looks as though we have some common interest in relation to Rosanna Taaffe (nee Kavanagh). My interest stems from my mother who is a grand-daughter of John Taaffe and Rosanna. John and Rosanna's first child, Patrick Christopher (born 26-12-1894) was her father.
What I have "discovered" so far ...
John and Rosanna were married on 7th October 1894, in ST. MARY's, PRO CATHEDRAL church.
Parents on John's side were... Patrick Taaffe and Anne Taaffe (nee Graham)
Parents on Rosanna's side were... James Kavanagh and Ellen Kavanagh (nee ?????)
Children... having reference to 1901 and 1911 published census records.... 7 children (2 surviving)
Patrick Christopher (b: 26-12-1894)
Elizabeth (b: 01-07-1896) see note later.
Mary (b: 18-05-1897)
John (b: 08-03-1899)
Peter (b: ??-??-1901)
James (b: ??-??-1903)
A.N. Other (b: ??-??-????)
Note on Elizabeth... while the 1901 census return shows "Lizzie" as a family member of John and Rose, her birth cert shows her parents as Peter Taaffe and Bridget O'Neill.
I have some further info re Peter and Bridget... here's hoping you might have some further info yourself.
Regards
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Hi Lorg
What a surprise for me this morning I am so delighted. My grandmother (Rosanna Caulfield nee Taaffe) is the granddaughter of John and Rosanna Taaffe. James Taaffe was her father. I don't have all my info with me at the moment and honestly its been awhile since I have looked at any of it, but i will gladly share any info I may have.
Patrick Christopher (b: 26-12-1894) (d?)
Elizabeth (b: 01-07-1896) (d24/12/1903) buried Glasnevin
Mary (b: 18-05-1897) (d?)
John (b: 08-03-1899) (d?)
Peter (b: ??-??-1901) (d?)
James (b: ??-??-1903) (d9/02/1961) My ggrandfather buried Deansgrange
A.N. Other (b: ??-??-?) Joseph (b02/04/1906) (d19/08/1908) buried Glasnevin
I will get back to you in a day or so when I go through my stuff. I would be happy to learn more about Peter Taaffe and Bridget O'Neill.
Regards
edit
ps just found this
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/20af990062292
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Hi Deevla,
Lunch update....
I've only really started this research seriously in the last week or so and the focus has been on the Taaffe side, as the impetus to do this came from my mother... a recent bereavement in my wife's family led to a conversation about the past and here we are!
One correction on my last post... a cross referencing error on my part... the birth parents recorded for Elizabeth were Patrick (rather than Peter) Taaffe and Brigid O'Neill (1901 census sees her as daughter of John and Rosanna).
The cross reference is through Brigid as she appears as a witness to the marriage of Peter Taffe and Catherine Breen (married 09-03-1902)... as you found in your link to church records.
Moving on other info I have leads me to understand the following are brothers and sisters of John (husband to Rosanna Kavanagh)...
Note older RC church records often recorded the latin version of christian names...
Maria Catherina Taaffe (b: 10-03-1864)
Joseph Patritius Taaffe (b: 13-01-1866) Joseph Patrick
Maria Anna Taaffe (b: 01-03-1868)
twins {Patricius Guilielmus Taaffe (b: 26-10-1875) Patrick William
twins {Petrus Joseph Taaffe (b: 26-10-1875) Peter Joseph
Marianna Taaffe (b: 01-04-1878)
Note there is a transcription error on the church records site for the baptism of John (our common ancestor). He is listed as John Tuffe (b: 02-04-1873)... parents Patrick Tuffe and Anne Graham.
Patrick and Anne were married in the St. Mary, Pro Cathedral on 03-06-1861.
Parents are listed as follows...
Patrick --> Guillelmi (William) Taaffe & Mariannae (Mary Ann) Taaffe
Anne --> Peter Graham & Catherinae (Catherine) Graham
Would be really interested to know if you have managed to get any further with Rosanna's history.
Regards
Tony
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Would this be a possible for Rosanna, from familysearch.org?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/93P3-V37/p1
name: Rosanna Kavanagh
birth date: 02 Apr 1873
birthplace: No 2 South City, Dub, Ire
father's name: James Kavanagh
mother's name: Ellen Corrigan
Here's what looks like the wedding of that couple?
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fc55f80097014
Area - Dublin (RC) , Parish - St. Nicholas
Marriage of JAMES CAVENAGH of 10 BLACKHALL ROW and ELLEN CORRIGAN of 13 BLACKHALL ROW on 13 September 1868
Address 10 BLACKHALL ROW 13 BLACKHALL ROW
Father JACOBI CAVENAGH JOHANNIS CORRIGAN
Mother MARGARITA ROSANNAE
Priest : JOHN BEHAN
Witness 1: PATRICK CADY
Witness 2: ANNE SPOONER
And 4 more children of that couple:
http://goo.gl/jMFQu
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Hi johnjensen,
thanks for the pointer to https://familysearch.org.... I was having difficulty on the church records site finding any reference to Rosanna Kavanagh. Hopefully its a solid link (along with the prospective brothers and sisters)... my only doubt is that she is South City and everything else I've found so far is in relative close proximity across what was once Mabbott street - Gloucester Place - Mecklinburgh street.
Will check further to see if I can confirm.
Thanks again for the assist.
Tony
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My Grandfather was a Taaffe, related to Thomas Caulfield Irwin could this be the same family ? there could be a connection.
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Very true Tony. But just bear in mind that they always lived close to the River Liffey and their last south city address available (Townsend St in the 1876 baptism) is only about 600m from Mabbot Lane across the river, so still a decent possibility.
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Hi my great grandmother was Rosanna Taaffe nee Kavanagh, She was shot by the black and tans in 1916 in Dublin. Her son James is my grandfather who died in 1961.
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Hi Joe,
here's hoping you 've set the notify option as your post was some time ago.
...a few obvious facts from your post tell me we are talking about the same woman... the fact that she was shot in 1916 and that (one of) her son(s) was James and he died in 1961
Her other surviving son was Patrick, who was my grandfather (died 1953).
Would welcome any info from your side as it would be welcome news to my mother who has lost touch with a lot of folks over the years.
Best Regards
Tony
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Hi Tony my fathers name is also James (Jem).
I can trace back the family to about the 1840s
they lived in mecklenburgh st which is now Sean mc Dermott st
we have family still living in that area.