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Title: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Hazel17 on Monday 10 August 09 16:11 BST (UK)
When I got my 3x great grandmother's birth certificate I thought that it said her mother was Charlotte Jones formerly Wap. When I went to look in the PR's for the marriage in Kirby I found one with the right groom's names and right date but James Jones marrying a Charlotte Wass. The archivist thought it was Wass too. This was an 1835 marriage.
On the 1841 census HO107 piece 338 folio 9 page 13 the family has a James Wass living with them. Looking on the IGI/censuses Wap is very unusual - Wass occurs more. I couldn't find a baptism for Charlotte either to help .

I'm attaching a bit of the birth certificate. Do people think it is Wass or Wap? I think the census says Wass (not that I know who James Wass is yet  :) ().
Anybody heard of either surname in Essex? Neither sounds very English...
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Evie on Monday 10 August 09 16:16 BST (UK)
Hi :)

I think it is the old way of writing double s, so I would take it to be Wass.

Evie
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Suffolk Mawther on Monday 10 August 09 16:21 BST (UK)
Agree with Evie  ;)

It is W A then a long S (which looked more like an f) followed by a short S

Pat ...

Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Suffolk Mawther on Monday 10 August 09 16:29 BST (UK)
The Surnames Profiler web site http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/ gives the name WASS as of English origin, in 1881 based on the Census returns, the most Wass families were in Yorkshire, with Lincolnshire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire following.  Essex had the fifth largest population with that name in 1881 at 121.

I did notice further down the list that 44 had strayed into Suffolk - I thought I had heard this name before  ;D

Pat ...
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Hazel17 on Monday 10 August 09 16:33 BST (UK)
Thank you for the replies, I think Charlotte will go on my tree as Wass. I typed Wap into that surnames websites and they had no data. ;) Now just to work where she was baptised next time I get to the records office!
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Rena on Monday 10 August 09 16:43 BST (UK)
I agree it's the old fashioned writing of double 'ss'" and it's definitely WASS in my mind too
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: golfer on Sunday 30 August 09 19:50 BST (UK)
I have a Wass from Yorkshire connected to a family that I am researching here in Canada. In case there is any relation I will provide the following: Ann Wass b. 15 June 1825 Towthorpe d. 27 Dec 1893 Durham, Glenelg, Canada. Her parents were Samuel Wass and Sarah Hawkwell from Yorkshire.  Ann married Jabez Banks 17 Aug 1844 Wharram Percy. Jabez b. 2 Sep 1822 Towthorpe, Wharram Percy, Yorkshire d. 4 Apr 1902 Durham, Glenelg, Canada. Immaterial to you, their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Banks happened to marry James Staples in Canada whose line I am researching. Cheers.
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: Hazel17 on Sunday 30 August 09 21:00 BST (UK)
If I turn up any Yorkshire links with my Wass family I will let you know.
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: golfer on Monday 31 August 09 00:45 BST (UK)
Thanx Hazel. Likewise. Cheers, Golfer.
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: sandy0414 on Sunday 02 January 11 02:21 GMT (UK)
hi message for  golfer my name is Alexander john Banks  know   we are related my dad was   Lloyd thomas , then bill.then wellington . then Jabez and ann wass then richard and wife Elizabeth lee then william wife dinah ? then robert wife ann moody then robert Mary wilson then roger 1660 kirby Malzeard  swas wonder in if you seen the letter from robertbanks to Jabez 1850 in canada and if you have any thing I don't have ... as far as the wass there is a town with the same name in yorkshire  .   ann was dad was a coffin makere in the glenelg histroy book  love to chat Alex banks dundalk ontario can
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 03 January 11 17:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Alex

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

According to their profile, Golfer hasn't been online here for a couple of months. They should receive an email notification that we have both posted on this topic but incase it hasn't got through, I'll send a personal message to let them know.

Regards

Dawn
(co-moderator for Essex)
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: sandy0414 on Monday 03 January 11 20:08 GMT (UK)
hey thanks   ever little bet help in my quest for retives in the old country yorkshire thixen dale  towthorpe area
Title: Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
Post by: golfer on Monday 24 January 11 00:53 GMT (UK)
Apologize for lack of response, been away. My original posting was for possible info to pass on to anyone who may have needed it. As stated, the line I am researching is the STAPLES family and I have no other data on his wife Sarah Banks's family other than what I provided. Sorry.