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I was wondering if anyone had access to parish records and could help me trace William Santon born in Carlisle, Cumberland about 1804-1806? I know that he had left the area by 1826 when he married in Leeds, Yorkshire (and later moved to London). He was a tailor by profession.
I would love to know whether the family had a long history in the Cumberland area, or were simply in the area around 1800.
Thank you for any information, or advice!
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Hi Doctor Tim
I've never known anyone called Santon in the area or in old records of the area.
I looked on familysearch.org (http://familysearch.org) and went to Record search then IGI and there were no Santons in Cumberland. Most were in Yorkshire - not far away.
On thje other hand there's a Santon Bridge just near Wasdale and Gosforth in the county, so a bit surprising.
Do you have any of your own Santons anywhere else?
Best wishes
Emms
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PS
By the way, you may know already, but at that early date, if you're asctually in the city, you need St Mary's or St Cuthbert's.
If you can get anyone going to the library or the record office, then registers are there.
Best wishes
Emms
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I am wondering why you are so convinced that he was born in Carlisle if you havent found his baptism record .
I see they were living in Yorkshire in 1841 that says not born in the county.. I assume his is the marraige to Charlotte in Leeds
I searched the IGI any Santon, any status, any age and only came up with two neither in Carlisle.
Both were marriages in 1769 and 1767 a Hannah and George Santon. Workington and Isel Cumberland.
What other census's do you have them on ???
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Thank you Emms & Patrish - I really appreciate your help
I am not 'convinced' he was born in Carlisle / Cumberland - but that is what is noted in the 1861 census, so I thought it might be worth checking... To be honest, I'm floundering a bit in the dark with this one! After William reached London, all subsequent Santons in the line I'm tracing were born in London area. I know that Yorkshire is a Santon 'hotspot' going back hundreds of years - but getting past William is a bit tricky at present!
Anyway, thanks for the help and suggestions.
Best wishes,
Tim
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1851 he says Cumberland ( indexed "SANTOR")
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Yes the 1861 does say Carlisle, Cumberland so that does seem the most likely, the only way forward is to search the parish records for Carlisle.
Perhaps there is not much coverage for Cumberland on the IGI :-\
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Thanks Geoff-E - that's very helpful!
I'm a long way from Cumberland - does anyone know if the records office there offers any kind of look-up service? Any figure on how complete the IGI indexes are?
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You can e-mail Carlisle Record Office via this page http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/recordoffices/carec.asp
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyCumberland.htm#C
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Thanks indeed!
Just sent an email to the records office...
I see that the IGI batch numbers cover the 1804 period at Carlisle - does that mean it is a complete record? If so, does it mean I won't find my William Santon in the parish records there? :-\
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I am not to sure about the IGI coverage.
I see that Carlisle Circuit Ind. starts from 1814 Christ Church from 1831 Holy Trinity from 1741 and St, James 1863 I dont know if their records start from those dates or whether they are the only ones transcribed by the IGI :-\
Perhaps someone else can tell us please.
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Hi Detori
I'm not sure if those are totally complete runs or not. There are a few spaces on the IGI for Cumberland.
Whether it is pr not though, at least one of the two largeparishes are indexed. Caaaan't remember if they both are.
The main problem we have here, is people saying born Carlisle, when they really mean the area and there are loads of tiny parishes close to Carlisle, so it can be a case of just plodding through them.
They do have other records up there for that era though such as wills, taxes etc, and also some indexes to some of the local parishes including Brampton deanery. Certainly there are gaps for some of these parishes on the IGI.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi
This site has the main gaps in the IGI for Cumberland.
Of course the other link is great because it gives Numers for any registers available for the era and also non conformists which appear on the IGI.
I'll check in the list when these start.
Of couse another big register is the RC for Carlisle which covers your dates. It covers earlier chapels and Our Lady and St Joseph. If there's aany chance of Rc ancestors though you should also look at Warwick Bridge which is older, and which many people still use due to family connections.
Both registers are in the RO and Carlisle and I think some of Warwick Bridge are in Local Studies in the Lanes Library.
Best wishes
Emms
http://www.cumberlandroots.co.uk/igi.htm
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PS There are parts of many local parish register transcripts on the Cumberland Roots site above, and also the links.
Emms
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Hi
This is form Cumbrian Ancestors, available from the RO including map of parishes. Was about £7?
Parish records starting before this date are:
Church of England
Carlisle: St Cuthbert 1693
St Mary 1648
Stanwix 1662 (Now part of Carlisle)
(Holy Trinity and Christ Church are from 1831 built to relieve St Mary and St Cuthbert).
Emms
PSNC coming up!
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Hi
Non Conf:
RC
Carlisle 1790
Warwick Bridge 1766
Presbyterian
Carlisle, Abbey St 1778
Fisher St 1774
Quaker - Quarterly Meeting Digests for Cumberland 1648 but Cartlisle Meetings not until 1822
These are the dates the baptism records start.
(Others start later, but I'm asuming we're looking for the 1805+ baptism).
Best wishes
Emms
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Thank you for that information Emms, :)
So there are others that the IGI has not transcribed in Cumberland. I would suspect thats the case with most areas. :-\
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Hi Thank you Patrish
Yes, we're pretty lucky with the IGI but there are some substantial gaps.
Best wishes
Emms
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Thanks to all the above for their help and useful advice - it is much appreciated!
:)