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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: cass on Saturday 17 March 07 10:34 GMT (UK)
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Is there an 1881 census for Ireland on-line? Am not sure of the town but think it might be County Down. Cass
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hiya as far as i know the only census returns for ireland are
the 1901 census held at dublin and the 1911 census ,not yet released due to the 100 year rule all other returns were distroyed by the british goverment during the troubles
gigg
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Thanks Gigg, have hit another brickwall!!! Cass
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1821 - 1851 census returns were destroyed by fire in 1922
1861 - 1891 as Gigg says destroyed by the government.
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Gig, I think you may have got that wrong about the 1911 census. It's available in the Republic, and includes the returns for what is now Northern Ireland. That, anyway, is my understanding. I believe the reason for releasing the 1911 'early' was because there was so little other census information surviving in the Republic.
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hi imber have a look at this site
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/contactus/census.html
1911 census for dublin an county due for release autumn 2007
carnt wait ;D
gigg
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Hi Gigg
Perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick here. I thought the query was more about what census records were open to the public. I see from your link that work is going ahead to put the 1911 online but isn't it a fact that it's already available to see at the National Archives and there is also an online enquiry form for submitting a request for extracts?
Imber
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hi folks,just found this thread.the irish 1911 census is
available in the national archives in bishop street dublin and
index on microfilm in dublin city library in pearse street dublin
and has been for some time .have to wait til' autumn until it
appears online but it will be free.
regards.anne
on the minus side,they say it will start to come online then and it and the 1901 will be added over a 3 to 4 year period.
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/research/archives.html
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hiya as far as i know the only census returns for ireland are
the 1901 census held at dublin and the 1911 census ,not yet released due to the 100 year rule all other returns were distroyed by the british goverment during the troubles
gigg
The 1911 census is available in Dublin and the 1901 census is available at both Belfast and Dublin.
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The 1901 and 1911 are available to view on microfiche and can print copies of same. The big problem is that they are still only accessible if you have an address. When eventually 'online' it will be fully searchable with free access. One of the nice aspects of the present record is that you see a copy of the actual form as filled out and signed by your forebear as opposed to the enumerators transcription forms of the english censuses. Also some of the questions are different. In 1911 one of the questions was how many children were born to the marriage and how many surviving and what sex. Also they were asked how long the marriage lasted. The 1901 census gives detailed description of the buildings and outhouses inhabitabed by the family eg "thatched, mud walled, cottage with two windows" etc.
Anne
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hi imber have a look at this site
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/contactus/census.html
1911 census for dublin an county due for release autumn 2007
carnt wait ;D
gigg
Is it guaranteed that it will be online this autumn gigg ???
They keep making promises and having technical hitches.
Christopher
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Yes I am keeping my eye out for it - it will save a lot of legwork which is getting tedious at this stage but it is 1901 that I would like to see.
When is 'autumn' anyway? in my gardening calander it starts August 1st!
No doubt we will find out soon enough when all is ready for viewing... probably some publicity about the event.... and then it will crash for a bit!
Anne
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Anne, I'm not certain that they go by gardening calanders 8)
I agree ... they're bound to have one or two teething problems at the start.
Christopher
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Hi
Films of the Irish census can be ordered from your local LDS church. I have just ordered one to view for 4 weeks, its costing £2.74! You do need to know the townland, I havent seen it yet so I dont know whether it will be useful to me or not, its worth a shot.
Jacqui
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That is good tip about LDS. I live in Dublin and there are two places at least where I can view the microfiche of census for free but problem is it is street or townland based. A townland is a geograpical area of a couple of hundred acres and with luck, may not contain so many households especially if a rural area. With city research, the coming computerisation of records will make things so much easier. Maybe I will make enquires direct and see what latest news is!
Anne
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I have only just started research into my County Galway grandparents and family and it is very daunting. I have been picking up tips from various forums and sites I have visited. Being in England its quite tricky. I also found my grandmother and grandfathers birth at the LDS, so I just need to send to the GRO for them. They are so helpful, the volunteers at the LDS, I will certainly be going back!
If anyone has any tips I will accept them gratefully.
Jax
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hi, its worth keeping the link below in your favourites to check on
now and again for updates about when the irish census will be online
and the new website address that will be needed to gain access.
anne
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/contactus/census_4.html
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Hi Anne,
I have bookmarked the site. It all looks so interesting, its hard to be patient!
Thank you.
Jax
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Just would like to share latest update from archivist in charge of releasing 1901 and 1911 censuses
"We are on target to release Dublin 1911 before the end of this year, and all the rest before end 2008. I would expect Dublin 1901 to be live by mid-next year"
So be patient all of you.... some more!
Anne
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hi anne, thanks for posting the update.
was by the autumn now by end of year,they keep moving the goalposts don't they.ah well at least I've got movement on one of my families with new info' so suppose will just have to wait,It could be worse,at least I get to the archives now and again.
regards.anne
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re: LDS films
I have found the LDS 1901 census for County Down very helpful.
This may be of interest to some
1911 census, County Down
Townland index, districts 1-130 for County Down British film Area 1952211 item 3
the record is found under the heading
1. Ireland, Down - Census - Indexes - 1911
kptz
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TRY THIS LINK FOR YOUR IRISH RESEARCH, LOTS OF 1901 EXTRACTS
http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm
SUE
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I am actually trying to locate 1911 census - however,have been to LDS library searching and it doesn't appear that the street (Mount Pottinger Road, Knockbreda, Belfast) was included.
kptz
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1911 census for Mountpottinger Road Belfast appear on at least 2 films according to LDS catalogue: #2093289 & 2093298 (check to see if also on other films)
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Thank you -- i appreciate your help - i am still trying to navigate this genealogy. i ordered those films and didn't find the information. i will order the films again and see what i can find. if it is there is it will at least tell me about whether my GGF was alive at the time!
still searching!
kptz
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Second attempt to post.... not sure what happened to earlier one. I just want to share with all news I heard tonight that the Irish Census for 1911 will be going online tomorrow Dec 3rd. I am not sure how it will work - maybe through libraries initially?
So fingers crossed everyone! :)
Anne
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Great news Anne- at last!- but wonder if the site will crash when everyone who's been waiting tries to use it.
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Looking for a link online tonight and no sign :(
so fingers and toes crossed but it is really the 1901 census that I am impatient to get at and that will be next year ;)
Anne
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Tried this morning. No sign of any Irish 1911 census on line! :'(
Kooky
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Dear All,
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Dear All
Sorry for mispost. I got on to a main library today to find out facts of matter. Today there is the "launch" of the system with no doubt invited dignatories to a reception of sorts. The archives public office is to close for a couple of days next week to allow media access. So tomorrows newspapers will tell all but meanwhile where is the link?
So light at end of tunnel!
Anne
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Hi Anne
Thanks for that - you're a true detective! Fingers crossed that the Belfast 1911 will follow very soon after Dublin (that's the one I'm waiting for....)
Jaylay
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congratulations anne for at least getting a reply from somewhere.
at least we know its definitely on the way now.
I've been watching the teletext and the national archives website
for a link.as it was supposed to be a partnership between
the canadian and irish archives I also checked their site.
anne
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Well done Anne! Not long now, hopefully. I just hope it does not crash like the 1901 census did! :-\
Kooky
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Well they delayed it to get a better system going and with Canadians sponsering etc here is hoping....
I think some of us should have been invited to the official launch :(
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:) The 1911 Census is up
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
kptz
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I am quite impressed with this site. Pity I have not found who I was looking for! :'(
Roll on the 1901!
Kooky
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Yes it seems very smooth, but I've just done a search for my GGrandparents, who I already have on this census, and nothing has come up! Will probably have to try a load of spelling combinations. But Hey, let's just be grateful it's finally here ;D
Jaylay
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yippee! found grandparents and one son in bride street
already,another new address.going back for the rest of owens
now,ta for putting the link up.
anne
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;D Happy Hunting!
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Had another search and found Elizabeth DOWZARD, my gr grandmother's sister enumerated as
DOURGARD. It looked like Dowzard in her signature! ::) Yippee!
Kooky
{I knew she had to be there somewhere. She owned the grave plot for the Dowzards in Mount Jerome, the one I could not find, because there was no head stone!??? She died in 1931.}
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happy for you kooky and I have noticed quite a few missspelled
placenames as well,still its great,anyone else having any luck?
anne
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Found my Gran and, surprise surprise, my Grandad too - his sister left school in Salford that year so didn't really expect to find him. The older children are living with an aunt (or maybe a great aunt as their uncle is also described as a nephew). They also mistranscribed his surname but it was a common alternative form.
For both the pages I've found so far, the enumerator appears to have been a policeman. Was that usual?
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Yesss, found my great aunt (and the chap she married in London 3 years later 8))....but oh drats, her parents must have been in Scotland for that census. Now I have to wait for the 1901 to come online as I KNOW they were in Dublin then.
Now all I have to do is figure out how to view the image, doesn't seem to be working for me
Sylvia
later .....Finally got in after downloading a newer version of Adobe and there she is ...a cashier at the Gaiety Theatre, Dublin....lovely stuff!
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Yes I seem to find silly mistakes in transcribed version but very simple to pull up the actual copy of the form. Just Christian names I think and I only had a few to look at and had seen them already save one but that one revealed a gem so very pleased :)
Meanwhile they are happy to take corrections....
"Errors in index of names
There will be some errors in the index of names, and we are happy to receive corrections from users of the site. We cannot correct entries which accurately reflect what was filled out in the census form. We intend to rebuild the site at two- or three-monthly intervals, and all corrections received and verified by us will be entered during those rebuilds. We are grateful to users for their assistance with errors. Please use this simple form to record your corrections."
This is buried in 'cant find your relative' section.
Anne
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Just another point I would like to make is to remind people that the photostats are copies of the actual forms as filled out by the relative. So you see the names and spelling as used by the parent for example and also it is signed on the bottom by same person so you have an actual signature. When you get to see original material in the English census etc, you really are looking at the enumerators transcription of the individual households returns as summarised on a sheets for each street/area.
Also in this census is a question about marriage duration and number of children born and those surviving and sex of these. I think perhaps the English 1911 included same?
Anne