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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: stewnkez on Saturday 08 August 09 08:59 BST (UK)
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Jesse Selmes b. 8 June 1791 Rye Sussex married Ann Gurr. I think they had 6 children b. Brede Sussex. Any help with dates, names would be appreciated. Also believe Jesse was married prior to Ann Gurr and had a child, Delia. Dates, names etc unknown.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Kerry
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Hi
In 1841 Jesse (an ag lab) and Ann "Selemes" are in Brede, both aged "45" (i.e. 45-49). With them is one child, Francis (male) aged 11. All born Sussex.
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Anna :)
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There are various Selmes marriages on the Sussex Marriage Index around the Brede area but no Jesse. No Ann Gurr to anything like Selmes either. Where did you get your original information?
Andrea
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The only Delia Selmes on IGI was apparently born to another couple (but since this is a submitted record, the usual health warning applies):
Delia Selmes
Baptised: 2 December 1810
Brede, Sussex
Parents: John Selmes & Frances
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Hi avm 228 and sillgen
Thanks for the information, I'll go back to the drawingboard and get back. At least this has given me more to work with, thanks ;)
Kerry
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Hi
My great grandmother is Frances Selmes. She had a daughter Monica b 1910 ISH and at least three other children but no marriage records. I am Trying to trace my great grandfather to no avail. I believe he could have been Canadian.
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Hi and welcome
Can you give a bit more information? Where did Frances live? Where were the children born? Is Monica your ancestor? Who did she marry?
Every bit helps with this sort of puzzle.
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Hi she lived in Hastings. Monica married Cyril Holmes. Monica and Cyril are my mother's parents. So my grand parents. Frances Selmes,( g grandmother) to my knowledge never married. She did have a partner at one point who we believe was my great grandfather but the story goes he went to war and didn't come back. He was Canadian.
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Hi and welcome.
Monica C D Selmes' birth was registered at Hastings Q2 1916 volume 2b page 54 mother's name Selmes.
Monica C D Selmes' marriage to Cyril F Holmes was registered Battle Q2 1936 volume 2b page 127.
It might be worth getting copies of both to see if any mention is made of her father's name. On the birth one he might be mentioned if not already dead in presumably WW1 and Frances still waiting his return. On wedding cert he should be named?
PDF downloads from GRO at £7.00 each so not too bad to hopefully resolve Monica's father and open up further channels of research.
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I wonder what Monica's middle initials stand for? Often middle names can be a clue to a father if the child is illegitimate. According to the 1939 register her birth date is March 16th 1916. They are living at 28 Oxford Road, Hastings.
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Death registered in Hastings for Monica Catherine D Holmes in 1981.
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New GRO birth index gives the full name
June 1916 Hastings 2b 54
Selmes, Monica Catherine Doris
mother's maiden surname —
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Is this Frances? :-\
Dec 1894 Battle 2b 57
Selmes, Frances Harriet
mother Messiter
A servant in Hastings in 1911 (free index)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BJ-94W
Death
Jun 1977 Hastings & Rother 18 803
Selmes, Frances Harriet
d-o-b 12 Aug 1894
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Hastings and St Leonards Observer, 29 April 1916
Hastings Borough Bench
Thursday
AFFILIATION CASE.
Arthur Charles Cramp, a driver in the Royal Engineers, was summoned in respect to the child of Frances Harriet Selmes.— The Bench refused to make an order.
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Well, they refused to make an order. But who was Arthur Charles Cramp? Not a very common name.
There is an Arthur H C Cramp, a driver in the Royal Engineers, in the medal rolls. Might be a possibility.
Index card (free to view on ancestry)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1990762
Could this be the Arthur Henry Charles Cramp registered in Battle in June 1895, mmn Vidler?
Curiously, this chap may have married Annie Burrows in June qtr 1916!
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Sorry the thread is difficult to keep up on my phone. Yes she is a member of the messiter family. That Arthur bit...how do I get a copy of the full court transcript.? This could be the man. Wow. Thank you for your help.
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Hi
Forgot to say, welcome to Rootschat!
I would say that the survival of those sort of court records regarding maintenance claims may be somewhat patchy.
You could try a search on The Keep
http://www.thekeep.info/
Those East Sussex record descriptions on The Keep can usually be found on TNA website as well.
Could there have been another local newspaper with a more detailed report?
Of course we don't know why the court didn't grant an order against Arthur. It's a pity that his army records appear not to have survived (unless he served past 1920 perhaps)
Still, we have progress of a sort!
John
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Absolutely. I have a line of enquiry. Thing is..Frances had "many men" apparently. We only recently found a sister of hers was living in Australia.
Thank you and I will take a trip to the keep soon.
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Returning to the original query about Jesse Selmes - he married Ann Gurr at Wittersham, Kent on 8th December 1811.
I have a lot of Selmes info as I have a One-Name Study for that surname. Quite a bit of info on Frances Selmes and her family too and it's possible that we may have been in touch about that family in the past.
Best wishes
Caroline