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Title: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: Mackiwi on Thursday 06 August 09 22:22 BST (UK)
Can anyone help :-\

I have William Bentley Payne b. Abt 1838 Minster Sheppey, Kent  he married Catherine Feakins in 1864 and they came to New Zealand in 1875.
His parents are my problem.
On his death certificate his mother is Sarah Payne nee Alcock but the only marriage I can find is for a William Payne and Sarah Bentley in 1840.
I found a death notice for his mother in 1909 where she had been living with her daughter at 102 Milton St, Southend - on - Sea, Essex.

Was Sarah married before to someone named Bentley? Records I found only go back to 1837  :(

Any suggestions welcome

Mackiwi
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: PaulineJ on Thursday 06 August 09 22:36 BST (UK)
They may have married pre-registration. Or after William's birth. Did you find any birth reg to match?

William (20-24)y
Sarah (20-24y)
William 1y
Harriott 4m

1841ref ? HO107/474; Bk16 F8; Pg10
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: PaulineJ on Thursday 06 August 09 22:43 BST (UK)
1851 ref: HO107; Piece: 1628; Folio: 331; Page: 35

Sarah 38y b  Frinstead.
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: casalguidi on Thursday 06 August 09 23:02 BST (UK)
His birth appears to have been registered with the surname of BENTLEY 1839 Sheppey registration district http://freebmd.rootsweb.com - this usually indicates the surname of the mother at the time.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: Mackiwi on Thursday 06 August 09 23:33 BST (UK)
Thank you Casalguidi I followed that up and now have it.

Pauline J I take it those are 1841 & 1851 Census What surname did you use ?

Mackiwi  :)
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 07 August 09 00:19 BST (UK)
Quote from: Mackiwi on Thursday 06 August 09 23:33 BST (UK)

Pauline J I take it those are 1841 & 1851 Census What surname did you use ?

Mackiwi  :)

yes they are & I didn't enter any surname
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: Firstupau on Thursday 15 July 10 21:53 BST (UK)
I am late into this game.  ::)

I looked up a scan of William Bentley Payne's death certificate and I see that the informant certifying the death is the undertaker.  I now think he had a "brain fade" when it came to entering the parents names on the record.

This will mean Alcock is a complete red herring.  A series of searches on the web yesterday finds lots of Bentley's in Kent around Frinsted and that locality but no Alcocks.  A similar search on Alcock and Bentley only uncovers this email thread on Roots Chat.

Thanks
Brett Payne
Central Coast NSW (ex-Taranaki, NZ)
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: casalguidi on Thursday 15 July 10 23:52 BST (UK)
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I now think he had a "brain fade" when it came to entering the parents names on the record.

Possibly .............. his information would only be as accurate as that provided by living relatives/associates.  Sarah's marriage certificate should provide some details of her father assuming she wasn't illegitimate.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
Post by: Firstupau on Friday 16 July 10 08:24 BST (UK)
I have copies now of the Marriage Index pages from FreeBMD for both William Payn and Sarah Bentley that match with regard to Church (Sheppey), year and quarter (March quarter 1840).

I am not sure how to take the next step from Index to a copy of the record yet, but that is on my agenda.

Also searched for Sarah Alcock and (anyone) Alcock for Sheppey and even a marriage in Kent in 1840 plus or minus a few years but draw a blank (as I expect I should if my theory is correct).

Thanks
Brett