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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: lisduggan on Wednesday 05 August 09 20:49 BST (UK)
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looking for some help regarding the hetherington family who lived there in the 1940s james j hetherington I would like to know more about this gentltman be grateful for any help....
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Waterford City Library has a newspaper index from 1884 to 1948, you could write to them and see if he is mentioned in the index, their address is Lady Lane, Waterford City.
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There was a John Hetherington Baker in 17 O Brien Street listed in Thoms Directory of 1909.
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thank you for that imformation I will ckeck it out hope to have more details re/ this family....
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Hi, I know this post is three years ago, but the Hetheringtons you are speaking of are my relatives. What was your query with them? :)
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thank you for yourreply there was a hetherington who was married to a kiely from john lane waterfordback in the 1940s or later you see my grandmotherwas also a bridget kiely she was born in john lane back in the 1800s that the reson i went on line to search
hope this will be of help to you...
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Hi, thanks for getting back to me, I've not come across any Kielys as yet, but will let you know if I do, thanks :)
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Hi just to let you know that I have a marriage cert for that couple if i come across it i will get back to with the details.....
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Sorry, there is a Kiely in the family. It was Peggy Kiely married to James hetherington who was my nans brother, I believe they had one daughter named Derry. Hope this helps ;)
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james joseph hetherington o brine street to margaret kiely john lane john lane DOM 30/6/1948 hope this will be of help...
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Hi thanks for that! :)
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Hi, I was searching family history and this came up. I am a member of the Hetherington family and directly connected to James J Hetherington and Margaret (Peggy) Hetherington nee Kiely and Bridget (Derry) Hetherington. Please contact me in relation to any questions.
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I may be able to help with some information on Kiely / Fitzgerald family Waterford.
My Grandfathers sister was Mary Bridget Kiely (b.1880) married Michael Fitzgerald Waterford 1903
Pat Kiely.. Co. kilkenny
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Hi this may help you James Hetherington son of James Hetherington & Bridget Leahy 13 O'Brien St married St John's Church, Parnell St 1940's Bridget Kiely, daughter of Michael Kiely & Catherine Kerwick, of John's Lane Jim
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Hi there Jim. Many thanks for your reply. I am aware of the marriage you refer to , as the bride is my cousin , still alive and living in Waterford. She is known as Peggy and I believe her birth name to be Margaret rather than Bridget ? I must ask her to clarify ? I am researching my Grandfathers family on my fathers side,( Kiely / Keily of John's Lane / Browne's Lane Waterford) and have come up against a brick wall in relation to 2 of my Grandfathers sisters. .Elizabeth and Catherine Kiely. Variously spelled .. Keily, Keilly and Kealy ( The sisters parents were James Keily and Elizabeth Warren of Browne's Lane / John's Lane M. 1866 St. John's ) and there appears to be no civil record of any birth, marriage or death on file for either of the 2 children.? ? ?) I have copies of Baptism certs.... Elizabeth Kiely, baptised 29 Nov.1877 St. John's, and Catherine Keilly, baptised on 1st Nov. 1883 also St John's. They are both named on the family grave in St. Otterans, and I believe the headstone or inscription to have been put in place between 1936 and 1946. The assumption is that they died young ( or pre 1936 ) as did some other siblings but these are the only 2 which I am unable to trace. There was a total of 9 children altogether in the family. I have tried local and countrywide online civil records, Also the family records office in Cork Rd Waterford. The 1901 and 1911 census records including initials only ( for workhouse / laundry records ) and have drawn a blank everywhere ! The conclusion I am coming to is that they died young and that the births and deaths were not recorded ? This would seem out of character.... as the births / deaths of the other children who died young were recorded. I don't suppose you can help with this one ????? Many thanks...... Pat Kiely
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Hi Patrick first I did the family tree of the Fitzgerald's some years ago and some work for Warren family and the following is Elizabeth Kiely, died 11th Dec 1896, interred St Otteran's and Bridget died 5th July 1900 16 Browns Lane, also interred St Otteran's as for the register of births that can be a hit or miss My father's side had 3 children not register hope this is of some help Jim
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Hi Jim. Thank you sincerely for that. I was looking for Elizabeth. .bp1877 and CATHERINE bp1883 . In relation to your your mention above of Bridget who died 1900 ...Do you mean Catherine. ? Pat Kiely
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Sorry Patrick looking up my notes yes it was Catherine died 5th July 1900 not Bridget she married Michael Fitzgerald Jim
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Hi Jim. That's brilliant news! Thank you so much. Can I ask where that information came from? As I had just about given up ! Is it possible to obtain copy of the information for my records? My Grandfather was Patrick Kiely b1875 and my Gt Grandfather was James Kiely who married Elizabeth Warren in 1866. I am also looking at this period of the family but a lot of details are before civil records began. Is it possible you have any information from your previous researching? I am happy to buy copy of relevant documents / reports if necessary Thank you again. ....Pat Kiely ( B.1947 Waterford ) ,
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you can check the register
http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/departments/culture-heritage/family-history/graveyards/st-otterans.htm#
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Hi Pat the records are from St Otteran's grave records and Elizabeth died St Patrick's Hospital also called Union Hospital her age is given as 36 which is wrong. I only did Bridget's family for she married Michael Fitzgerald which I was researching for Tom Fitzgerald some years back let me know what families you are looking at. Jim
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Hi there Jim, and thank you again. That information almost about completes my research in relation to my Grandfather ( Patrick Kiely B. waterford 1875 ) and his siblings. There was an older brother. . Michael,
B 8/9/1869 who again is believed to have died young, and the only record I can find is a death of Michael Kiely Model lane on 10/10/ 1878. Child of a floor layer, and the informant was Bridget Kiely Model lane.
I have assumed this to be him although the model lane address doesn't seem to fit, and also not too sure who the informant Bridget is ? She doesn't seem to slot in anywhere.
My Grandfather also had a sister Alice on whom information is scant. She was born in 1871 and would be a sister of Bridget Fitzgerald (Kiely ) on whom you did some previous research for her grandson Patrick Mahony. Alice Kiely, John's lane married a Thomas Brazil on 17/06/1889. I believe there were 7 children born up to 1911 with 5 surviving. I believe I have traced them to William st workhouse in 1901 and John's Hill workhouse in 1911. Apart from that, information on the Brazil family is scant. Alice died in 1920 in the workhouse hospital and I believe she actually spent most of her life there with some of her children being born there as well.
Regards Pat
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Hi Pat have you Edward Warren & Catherine Dunleavy's family Elizabeth married James Kiely, Sarah married John Gordon and Maryann married Thomas Griffin the Brazil & Alice family their daughter Elizabeth married John King Matthew Brazil married Elizabeth McGrath all these families are here in Waterford now. I will send you a personal massage later Jim
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Hello Jim. Many thanks again. I do have Elizabeth Warren who married James Kiely (my Gt. Grandfather ) in 1866. On their marriage cert. Elizabeth Warrens father ( Edward ) is noted to be a "car driver " I was aware of Sarah Warren / John Gordon but not of Maryann/Thomas Griffin. ( I will look into that.) However I also have a John Warren ( sailor) who married Bridget Fitzpatrick on 22/9/1878. John warren is aged 21 ( B.c.1857 ? ) from Johnstown and his father Edward is a "car driver " I have taken this John Warren to be from the same family, because of the fathers name and profession. Perhaps I am wrong ?
In relation to Alice Kiely/Thomas Brazil I was aware of their daughter Elizabeth and her marriage to John King. I was not aware of Matthew Brazil / Elizabeth Mcgrath. I have some other siblings and anecdotal family memories from my cousin Peggy ( Margaret ) Kiely-Hetherington who remembers stories from our grandfather Patrick Kiely, ( a brother of Alice ) It seems there were unfortunate circumstances concerning some members of the Brazil family.
Anyway.... My next quest is to look at any siblings of my Gt. Grandfather James Kiely ( M. Elizabeth Warren ) and also his father Michael ( my Gt. Gt. Grandfather ) who married Alice Kirby around 1840 ?
This of course is back in time where it gets hard as some records may be pre 1864 civil records, and also some civil records from that period may not contain images ... ? I understand from an old roots chat post I came across that James Kiely B1847 ? may have had a brother John ? and also a sister Joanna. ? Pat Kiely
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Hi Pat Yes John Kiely son of James did marry Bridget Fitzpatrick and yes it looks like the Brazil children were in care 1901 There are 3 main church's in this city and yesterday I look up one of their records and will do another one tomorrow and Friday on your family tree and yes I did research for your cousin Pat O'Mahony some years ago Jim
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Ok Jim. You are very good in being so helpful. It was a record John Warren I came across ( Not John Kiely ) that married Bridget Fitzpatrick. There are births records for them producing 8 children between 1880 -1893 and living in Poleberry/ Ballytruckle area
I cannot find a marriage record of Maryanne Warren/Thomas Griffin ?
I did come across a possible similarity for Thomas Griffin/ Maryanne Dunne in 1888 ?
Of course I only have access to the online Government ( Irish Genealogy ) records and the early ones of those tend to be just indexes with no images, (so no details ) also I have the 1901/1911 census.
In relation to the Brazil family...I have a Michael Brazil aged 20 in 1911 census. he is shown as present in house no 22 brown's Lane ( part of ) This is the house of the Fitzgerald family in 1911. Michael Brazil and the Fitzgeralds would have been cousins as the both Mothers were sisters. ( Alice Kiely /Thomas Brazil and Mary Bridget Kiely/ Michael Fitzgerald )
I have not been able to find a birth cert for this Michael Brazil ( B.c 1891 ? ) but have assumed him to be a son of Alice Kiely/ Thomas Brazil because of his presence in the Fitzgerald household.?
He does not appear to be in any care home in either 1901 or 1911 census where his Mother may have been ? but it is possible that he was living permanently with his relations due to circumstances ?
I also understand that it was common practice in those days for a child to be taken on or looked after almost on a permanent basis, by the grandparents ?
This Michael Brazil may therefore be a brother of the Matthew Brazil you refer to earlier as having married Elizabeth Mc grath. ?
There is a death record for a Matthew Brazil aged 75 in 1966. ( Dominics place ) This would give a birth year of 1891 for this man. .... My Michael Brazil above would have the same approx. birth year ?
Regards.... Pat Kiely
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Hi Pat I have just finished your families that I researched there are 5 pages in all and yes it was a John Warren married Bridget Fitzpatrick and Thomas Griffin is related and the Matthew Brazil who died Dominic Place 1966 is related the John Warren who married Bridget Fitzpatrick and lived in Ursula's Terrace I could not find any of this family marring but a Edward Warren did marry Anastasia Troy in Ballygunner 1933, he was born 1886, father is a Tailor as was John who was married too Bridget Fitzpatrick so I would say he is the Edward of 1886. Jim
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Hi Jim, and thank you so very much. I will be in touch about obtaining copy of Kiely family tree.
In the meantime.. I am stuck on a death record for Michael Kiely ( Keily ) who was my Grandfather's older brother. he was born on 8/9/1869 and again died young. ( He is on family gravestone St. Otterans which I believe was erected after 1936) The only death record I can find is for a Michael Kiely died 10th Oct 1878 aged 9 years. This would make sense, but the address ( model lane ) and the informant ( Bridget Kiely) appear not to tie in? I cannot find anything else in Civil Records.
Can you help on this one? Many thanks.... Pat
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PS to query in relation to death of Michael Kiely...
His parents, as you will probably know, were james Kiely and Elizabeth (nee Warren )
Pat
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Hi Pat I have him in your family tree he died 10Th Nov 1881, age 13, of John's Lane, where James & Elizabeth Kiely were living Jim