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Hi, i am looking for decsendents of Hugh Kirkwood from Belfast, NI. Hugh farmed land at Redhill, in the Finaghy area of Belfat. He was born 1784, he married a lady named Ann ?.Hugh was Elder at Malone Presbyterian Church, Belfast, he died in 1868 aged 84 years and is buried at the Malone Church yard. Known children were Hugh born 1826; William born 1821; John born 1831; Anne born 1819 married George Seale in 1845; Mary born 1820 married John Kirkwood in 1844. James born 1813, farmed at Drumbeg close to Lisburn.
Thanks
Will
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Hi Will,
I don't think we are the same line, but we might well have relations in common at some point in our trees. The Hugh name, plus the Malone Presbyterian and Andersonstown connections from your previous post, make me think we must have some connection somewhere.
I am only just starting out on this, but I *think* I am descended from a Hugh Kirkwood born approx 1829. This Hugh was born 14/08/1829 at St Patricks in Belfast to Thomas Kirkwood and Rachael Tellfare? (surname unclear).
I am trying to confirm much of this but at present I believe my Hugh jnr married an Agnes Kirkwood (no relation) around 1864 at Malone Presbyterian, and had my great grandfather Thomas in 1867 (along with George 1866, William 1869, another William 1871 (so assume 1869 William died very young), Mary Ann in 1873, and David in 1875).
A Hugh, along with a Thomas and also a James (who I had though must have been Hugh's brother - he is living with Thomas and his wife at the time of the 1911 Census, aged 67) are all listed as farmers in Andersonstown in 1880.
What do you think? Any possibility we are talking about some of the same people?
Regards,
Heather
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Heather,
I did a parent search on the IGI on www.familysearch.org (enter parents'names only with location) and found two more children for Hugh and Agnes Lockwood, married 19 Feb 1864.
Hugh McCance born 2 Dec 1864, Ballygomartin, Antrim
Margaret Born 23 Nov 1879, Roseland Falls, Antrim
Regards
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Many thanks for that search kingskerswell.
That's very helpful! I just had a look myself at John McCance (not Hugh) and Margaret. They certainly appear to be two more children for Hugh and Agnes Kirkwood.
I'm still not yet sure this is my line, but its another piece in the puzzle...
Thank you again for your help.
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for posting. A lot of the names you mention in your post are familiar to me. Your great grandfather Thomas and my great grandfather David Alexander were brothers. Hugh and Agnes are my great great grandparents.
Interesting information about Hugh's date of birth and his parents, may i ask were you got this information. My info suggests Hugh was born 1827 to parents Thomas and Mary Ann, but my info hasnt yet been proven. When you say St Patricks were exactly do you mean?
By the way the Hugh Kirkwood i originally posted the message about is supposed to be a brother of Thomas Kirkwood (Hugh's father).
Keep in touch, i think we could help each other.
Regards
Will
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Hello Will,
Its nice to find someone researching the same line - I have struggled a little in the dark on this one. That said, while I do know that my Thomas was born circa 1867 and that seems to suggest Hugh and Agnes would be the parents, as I haven't found any other Thomases of the same age, I haven't seen Thomas' birth or death certs, so can't be certain I have found the right line yet. I'm a long way from Belfast (otherside of the world actually!) so only working from online records at the moment.
I had originally assumed James was Thomas' father. As I said in my previous reply, he is living with my Thomas in 1911, along with his wife Elizabeth. But James and Elizabeth's children don't include a Thomas, so I am working on the basis that he was an uncle, for the time being. I don't suppose you have come across any info to confirm that James (born circa 1844) might also be a brother to Thomas snr and Hugh snr? It would fit with the 1880 directory information for Andersonstown.
As for Hugh's birth - 1827 or 1829? I looked at the pay per view birth records and marriage records from Emerald Ancestors, which is where I got Thomas and Rachael as the parents. I'll PM you more details. Certainly very happy to find out if I'm looking at the wrong people! Like I say, I haven't seen any originals myself. The only original document I have so far is my grandfather's death certificate which lists Thomas Kirkwood and Mary Mulligan as his parents - but I haven't been able to find any marriage between these two yet... As I said, it's early days in my research!
Regards,
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for your messages. I think there are crossed wires somewhere. The Hugh Kirkwood born in 1829 im pretty sure that he isnt the Hugh Kirkwood who married Agnes in 1864. The Hugh who married at Malone Presb. was from a strong Presbyterian back ground. Thomas Kirkwood, the son of Hugh and Agnes was born 18 November 1867. His wife was Jane Agnew, and they married in 1906.
Now the farmers at Andersonstown you mentioned; Thomas , Hugh , and James. Thomas and Hugh were father and son, as for Thomas and James, not sure but they may have been brothers.
This will give you more to think about.
Regards
Will
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Well I never was sure it was the same line - and now I know! Thank you.
Although it would have been nicer to find out we were researching the same line, at least I now know I need look elsewhere now for my Thomas Kirkwood.
Best wishes - and if you do stumble across another Thomas c 1867/1868, please do let me know!
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Sorry your enquiry didnt lead anywhere. It is a problem i have had many times carrying out family research. Too many people with the same christian names in those days! I am based in county Down, so when i visit PRONI in the future i will have a look for your Thomas. In the mean time i wish you luck in your search.
Regards
Will
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Hello...I have a Sarah Kirkwood in my family that I am having no luck researching at all. I do know that she was born around 1795 and was married to Andrew Gardiner in 1815 in Ballyeaston, Antrim, Ireland. Can you please let me know if you've come across anything to which she would fit?
Their children's names were Andrew, John, James, Hugh, Agnes, Mary and Anne. They all came to Canada in 1858. I've been searching on those names just to see if I can find anything...which is how I came across this posting.
Please let me know if you can help. Thanks!
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Re Sarah Kirkwood. Sorry my research so far hasnt found any Sarah Kirkwoods in my line. The other names you mention such as John, Jamees, Hugh , Agnes all appear on my line but none of them to my knowledge went to Canada. But if i uncover anything of use to you i will get in touch again.
Regards
Will
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Thanks for letting me know! From what I can see, she is the only one that came and she came with her husband and their children. It's been a tough nut to crack...:)
Donna
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Hi Donna
re your sarah Kirkwood, I have found in the Population of Ballyeaston Congregation in 1813 a Sarah Kirkwood aged 15. Not sure if this is your sarah but its the only one. This would make her 17 or 18 when she married. Her Father was Hugh Kirkwood aged 38, mother Elizabeth 39, and had four sisters and one brother. Jane 13, Jenny 11, Margaret 8, Ann 5, and Hugh 2. From the Upper Glenwhirry area.
Hope this might help.
John
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Hi John...thanks so much for this information! It's definitely something worth looking into. I have her listed as being born in 1795, but I've come to realize that a lot of people don't know their exact years of birth. Her grandson, who is my great-grandfather, has his year of birth ranging over a ten year period...I only figured out the tue year of birth because I found him in the 1861 census.
Is this information available on-line? If so, can you please tell me where?
Thanks again!
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Hi
The information from the Population of Ballyeaston Congregation is not available online however it is published at the back of a recent history book 'His House on the Hill' a history of First Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church. It can be ordered from www.firstballyeaston.org
Me and my father helped publish the book back in 2005.
John
PS have you looked at www.familysearch.org they have a lot of records available online.
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Thanks for this info...and kudos to you and your father for helping to publish the book and make research for the rest of us just a little bit easier... :D
Yes, I have checked out familysearch.org..that's where I found the marriage license of Sarah and Andrew Gardiner, just nothing more! At least so far.
I did have one lucky find with them...they moved to an area in Canada called Kincardine and there is a book written about the early settlers. That's where I found a lot of information about the family...not to mention figuring out who was in that photograph that I had in my pile (turned out it was a ggg-uncle...Hugh Gardiner).
Thanks again for your help...it's the first piece I've managed to obtain on this family in years!!
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I have just come across this thread!! Here are some notes from my research:
"Thomas Kirkwood was born about 1792. It is not known if he was actually born in Ireland or somewhere else, possibly Scotland. He was a Farmer who owned a large property about 3 miles from Belfast on the Falls Road, Andersontown, Ballymurphy. The property was named Roseland and the area is now a housing estate. Thomas was a community minded man who believed in a good education for his children and was an esteemed member of the Malone Presbyterian church. He married Mary Ann MacLean, who was born about 1797. They had eight children. Thomas died at Roseland on the 5th of October, 1880 and Mary Ann died on the 17th of March, 1878. They are both buried in the City Cemetery in Belfast with their son Hugh and several other family members."
Hugh's brother Thomas Alexander Kirkwood was my Grandfather (c. 1838 - 1896) He married Mary Shaw (09/08/1860) and died 22/10/1896. They had about 12 children, the youngest being my father Victor Shaw Kirkwood who came to Australia in 1911 after about 6 years in South Africa. He married my mother Catherine Agnes Higgins 29/11/1917. They had six children. I am the youngest, born 1935!! There are many descendants in Australia, mostly in the Sydney area.
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just to keep sources open until checked
I can offer one reference for Kirkwood family trees, its likely to be aCo Down Family. in the Blackwood Family History manuscript trees Collection in the LinenHall library, Belfast. Visit if you can give them warning helps, if you cant then I suggest you write to them asking them for photocopying estimates only if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing if you are tempted. “The Library welcomes all research enquiries, whether made in person, by phone, fax, letter or e-mail. Enquiries from members will be answered free of charge. Visitors from afar, and in particular those engaged in serious research projects, are recommended to make prior contact with the Library to ensure that they receive the best possible service. More complex enquiries should be made by letter, fax, or e-mail. Enquiries of this kind from within the British Isles will normally be answered free of charge, apart from any copying and postage charges. A minimum charge of £2 will normally be made in respect of overseas enquiries. A4 photocopies b&w are 20p. The Library may be able to assist those with more extensive research requirements on terms subject to negotiation with the Librarian. Contact the Library for further information on info@linenhall.com or Telephone 028 9032 1707. Their address is The Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, see their website for contact details or use Email:info@linenhall.com.
The volume references for
➢ KIRKWOOD 21
➢ Hoping this is includes new information for you
the Tithe Applotment Books http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/drumbeg-parish.php#.VMZlMEt5kYUshow eg
Kirkwood, Mr. Townland: Ballyfinaghy Year: 1830
Kirkwood, Hugh Townland: Ballyfinaghy Year: 1830
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Hi
Just noticed your post. Catherine Agnes Higgins was my Grandfather's Sister, he was William Patrick b. 6 Aug 1890 , d 4 Sept.1966. I can remember hearing my Mother speak of her Aunty Kit so I presume that was your Mother. Mum was Irene Bridget Higgins, she died 28 Aug 1994. Do have some more info re Higgins tree if you need it.
Cheers
Mary