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Hi all,
Good news! Amanda Mary Ann Whitehair did not land from outer space! She was born 18/11/1845
I have finally found her parents' names - Phew!
Mother: Mary Ann Whitehair (what a surprise ::) formerly Connelly
Father: William Russell Whitehair - shoe maker
Address: 6, Wood Street, Grays Inn Lane district, St Pancras.
Just thought I'd share this info and thanks for your help in the past. My computer has been playing up and I haven't been able to use the internet for over a week, so it's time to do some catching up.
Best wishes
Sue
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I can't point to the records for this but i understand from my father, his great grandson, that William Russell Whitehair did emigrate to America because he was wanted as a Chartist activist, leaving his wife and children. His wife received one letter saying he was in Chicago but heard noting else. Until I saw your posts, it was thought that he had died in the Chicago fire. If you have found anything else about this i would be grateful. He had a son, William, in who i am particularly interested, thanks.
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William Russell WHITEHAIR, Death 22 Nov 1897, Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age 80 (Birth c 1817)
Birth England
1880 Census
William R WHITEHAIR, Evanston, Cook, Illinois, United States, age 60 (Birth 1820), Married, Shoemaker
Wife, Elinor E. Whitehair age 45 (Birth 1835)
Both born England
William Russell WHITEHAIR
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Birth: 11 August 1820
Christening: 7 January 1821, OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND
Parents:George Whitehair, Matilda
Trish :)
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Marriages March Quarter 1845
Connorley Mary Ann Holborn Volume 2 Page 73
Whitehair William Russell Holborn Volume 2 Page 73
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Dear All,
Thank you for 'resurrecting' this thread - I had hit a wall and had left this part of the family alone for some considerable time, so I will need to dig out some more detailed, old paperwork.
I do, however, have William Russell's parents as George Whitehair and Matilda Brown (married 20th July 1845 Old Church. St Pancras), as mentioned by Trish and I think that Mary Ann Whitehair, the wife that it looks as if William R left behind when he emigrated, died in 1854 Bermondsey (although I have no proof of this as yet). I also have an older brother for William R. - John Whitehair bpt 30th June 1816.
Fishingtackle, was his son William born in America, son of Elinor?
Regards
Sue
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Marriages March Quarter 1845
Connorley Mary Ann Holborn Volume 2 Page 73
Whitehair William Russell Holborn Volume 2 Page 73
Marriage was on 27th January 1845 Holy Trinity Grays Inn Road
Father George Whitehair
Brides father Daniel Connerley
Keyboard86
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Hi
A bit more info from the 1845 marriage cert
William was a bachelor - full age - occ cordwainer and his father George was a surveyor
Mary Ann was a spinster - full age - & her father Daniel was a stone mason
Witnesses were Charles Foster and William Henry Leverritt
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Hi all, was this therefore William, Mary and Amanda in 1851?
William WHITCHAN 30 occ Shoemaker b St Pancras
Mary 27 b St Pancras
Amanda 5 b St Pancras
Emily 2 months b Bermondsey
Residing 32, Salisbury Street, Bermondsey
Census ref HO107/1560/216/32
And in 1861,a William R Whitehair 40 Widower occ Assurance Agent b Bury Suffolk with daughter AMANADA 16 also born Bury Suffolk
Residing at 10, Charles Street, Southwark
Census ref RG09/334/159/3
? Is the 1861 the same family?
Burial Mary Ann Whitehair b abt 1825 19th October 1854 aged 29 at St James, Bermondsey.
Something tells me this has already been done and dusted, ie Amanda M A marries a Daniel Felix Haines 21st May 1866 Holy Trinity Newington, oh well it may help a future researcher!!
Keyboard86
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Many thanks for the additional bits of information, folks.
Keyboard86, I am not sure whether the family in the 1861 census is the same family or not - the names are correct, they were living in a similar area of London, but the place of birth for both William and Amanda being born in Bury, Suffolk is a bit confusing as, to my knowledge, Amanda was born in St Pancras and died shortly after giving birth to Amy Georgiana's birth in 1870. Amanda's death was in 1871 St Saviour (Southwark), aged 26, in Southwark - same area as the 1861 census that you found but my William R wasn't actually a widower at that time.....interesting conundrum!
1851 census - I hadn't heard of Emily, but looking at births on FreeBMD I found these:
Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
Whitehair Emily Adeline Bermondsey 4 9
Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
Whitehair Emily Matilda St Pancras 1b 110
The name Emily Adeline caught my eye as my Grandmother was Adeline Agnes Haines...after her great Aunt perhaps, but on the other hand there is Emily Matilda, named after her paternal grandmother, Matilda nee Brown. I can only surmise that Emily b1851 might have died as an infant and 2nd Emily was named after her..........I need to do some more research I think!
Thanks again for everybody's input and for the details from the marriage cert., CaroleW.
I think I also need to check the ships' lists to find out exactly when William emigrated to America - a bit too late to start that now, so a job for the weekend, I think.
Sue
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Hi again, also possibly look into this death:-
Emmaley Adeline Whitehair March qtr 1854 Bermondsey 1d 71?
Keyboard86
PS how do you know he was not a widower by 1861as you have shown already a possible death, which I confirmed in 1854?
Also William and Amanda in 1861 are dittoed from the family above them, so possibly an enumerators error!
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Hi can someone look at the original of this marriage please, as keeps dropping out via mobile?!
William Russell Whitehair Full Age to Susannah Sarah Gingell 21st January 1855 St James, Bermondsey
Father George
Brides Father James Gingell
Their was also a baptism of a Jane Matilda Whitehair 20th October 1822 Old Street, Pancras Father George Mother Matilda
Keyboard86
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Hi again, a bit more, still would like help re marriage above though:-
1861 census
Susan Whitehair 30 Married b Bermondsey
William 4 b Bermondsey
Robert 11 months b Kennington
Residing at 56, Little George Street, Bermondsey
Census ref RG09/323/157/10
1871 Census
Susan Whitehair Head Married 40
William 14
George 8
All born Horsleydown
Residing at Charles Street, Souhwark
Census ref RG10/626/29/54
1881 census
L? Whitehair 50 Widow b Horsleydown
G Whitehair 18 b Southwark
Both shown as lodgers on RG11/556/53/18
Keyboard86
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OK onwards and onwards!
Death Susannnah Sarah Whitehair December qtr 1893 St Olave 1d 154 aged 63
Possibly the Susan Whiteham 60 Widow b St Johns Horseleydown shown as lodger occ Charwoman at 176, Bermondsey Street, Bermondsey
Census ref RG12/370/62/10
Keyboard86
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Hi can someone look at the original of this marriage please, as keeps dropping out via mobile?!
21st January 1855 St James Bermondsey
William Russell Whitehair - widower- cordwainer - father george occ dealer
Susannah Sarah Gingell spinster full age - father James occ lighterman
Witnesses Isabella Sutherland and (looks like) George Devaney
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Susannah Sarah Gingell was incorrectly transcribed on the 1851 as Singel but somebody called Pamela Thickett has notified a transcription error so may be researching the same family and can perhaps throw some additional info your way.
The 1851 shows her b 1831 Bermondsey Surrey
HO107 Piece 1560 Folio 523 Page 57
I have sent Pamela an email with the link to this thread
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Thanks once again Carole, with George being born c 1863 where if not the 1861 I have already shown of a William R with an Amanda, was William in 1861?
Also birth for George c 1863?
Keyboard86
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Crikey! You have been so busy Carole & Keyboard86 - thank you. I need to write all this down to see exactly how this lot fits together....and to see exactly how many wives we have in the loop at the moment and whether any of them were bigamous!
I have been out all day so haven't had a chance to look at the Ship's Lists yet, but I will as I would really like to know when he went to America!
Hope to get on to this tomorrow.
Regards to all.
SUe
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The christian name Amanda was not a particularly common one back in the 1850's so my personal thoughts are as follows:
The 1861 found by Keyboard for William & Amanda is the correct entry. The 1851 has no possible match to a Suffolk birthplace so I suspect the 1861 enumerator has made an error.
My only (slight) reservation is his occupation at that time. However, Amanda's 1866 marriage cert shows her father's occ as "gentleman". He also appears to be one of the witnesses unless that is her half brother who was also William (James) Russell Whitehair.
For whatever reason, he separated from Susannah but if they separated pre-1861 - did they "reconcile" and have George born 1863 or did Susannah have a fling ???
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Dear All,
Sorry for the delay in responding to your posts but I have finally admitted defeat! - I just cannot find when William Russell Whitehair left for the USA on the Ships' Lists. Admittedly I don't know where he departed from, but I have gone through every departure that I can find, to as many destinations that I can find, to no avail.
Neither can I find any application for a passport, although not all years of application are available......but I will persevere!!!
Regards
Sue
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I found William Whitehair recorded in 1876 New York City passenger lists (1820-1957) on Findmypast over the weekend and a record in the same year for Illinois Northern District Naturalisations (1820-1957).I also found an entry for a newspaper to suggest that he was part of a committee to have a memorial of some kind raised for Roger O'Connor. As his first wife ( mother of Amanda) was Irish i thought that this might be of interest.
" O'CONNOR MEMORIAL FUND
Mr. WJ. P. Roberts Mr. John Shaw. Mr. John Mi.ne. I Mr. Roger O'Connor. Mr. T. 3f. Wheeler. Mr. William Davis. Mr. Thos. M'Lanchlan. Mr. Wm. Slocombe. Mr. Win. Brewster. Mr. James Bligh. Mr. John Endeanr. Mr. William Burn. Mr. John Pearcy. ltr. W. R. Whitehair" Reynolds's Newspaper London, England
6 Jul 1856