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Hi everyone,
I woundered if anyone would help shed some light on Margaret Williams. I have her marriage certificate and I think I have located her death but I am really struggling to find her birth and ther mothers details.
She married Edward Hubbard on 24/12/1923 at the Parish Church, North Ormesby, Middlesbrough. They were both 27. This leads me to believe she was born c1896. The certificate indicates they both lived at 22 Chester Street at the time of the marriage. The witnesses were Rosena Levett (nee Hubbard - Edward's sister) and John Shaw (the co-op man?!?)
Her father was William Williams and he had died prior to the marriage.
Margaret and Edward had 3 children, Kenneth (b 1923), Edward (b 1925) and Edith (b 1927) (my gran)
I have quizzed my gran about Margaret but all she knows is that Margaret died when she was approx 4 months old and the children were brought up by their paternal grandparents. She feels it was a bit hush hush about details surrounding her mother.
I have searched everywhere for Margaret's birth but only hit brick walls. The only birth I have found in the Middlesbrough area at around the same time is in Stockton but the father isn't William.
I think Margaret's death was in 1927 as I have found a reference to this at my local GRO.
Any info on Margaret of her family would be fantastic.
Thank you in anticipation
Legs
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hi allegs
have you tried the middlesbrough register office web site?
www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk
they have indexed births for m,bro & stockton areas for 1837-1967 this may help.
regards
Amw
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Hi AMW,
Thank you for your message, I already know about the Tees Valley Indexes, thats where I got all my info from. However that site didn't have Margaret's death. There are 8 William Williams who died between Margaret's birth and marriage so I don't know which one is her father, also the only births I can find for Margaret's at that time do not have father's calle William.
I really don't know where to go now.
Thanks again.
Legs
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hi again legs
i live in m,bro, i go to m,bro ref library every wed morning,
i could look to see if there is a newsaper entry for the 1923
wedding,they have all the M,bro Gazzettes on microfiche
it might say something about her family?
do you think its worth a try?
regards
amw
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Hi again AMW,
Thank you, that would be really fantastic, as long as I'm not putting you to any trouble. Have you got enough info to go with or do you need anything in particular?
If you need any research doing in Sussex, please feel free to drop me a line and I can go to Chichester or Lewes GRO and look for you.
Thank you millions 8)
Legs
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hi legs
yeah no prob, ive the date 24/12/1923 ,i wouldnt have offered without this,a 3 mnth period of notices takes abt 1 Hr
but cos youve got the exact date should take about 10mins
Were they living together before marriage !?
was her father down as deceased on the Marriage cert?
i will try to reply wed nite?
regards
AMW
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Thank you soooooooo much, you're a star :D
Yes the date is 24/12/1923. I think they had 1 son before they were married (Kenneth b1923).
Yes they were living together at the time of marriage so I assume they lived together before they were married.
Yes William William is down as deceased on the Marriage cert, it said nothing about his occupation.
Also if possible (hope i'm not pushing my luck) would you be able to look for Margaret's death, possibly from TB in June (ish) 1927, She was Margaret Hubbard by then. Don't look this up if you don't have time etc, I just thought I'd ask just in case!
Thank you again, please don't go out of your way and just reply as and when if you find something.
Thank you so much
Legs
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hi legs
so sorry but found no entry for marriage
i started search 24/12/1923 which was a Monday
no paper on tue or wed (xmas day and boxing day)
next paper was Thu 27th - nothing? i continued till
Sat 5th Jan 1924 - still nothing!
i was as disappointed as you will probably be !,
but i wont stop their,let me check again next week
for the death entry,you said it was 1927.
Did you have the date in 1927, if you have it wont take long,
today took abt 20mins ,also they have a Monumental Inscriptions book for North Ormesby Parish church,this may take slightly longer but i will gladly check that.
A Very Down
AMW
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AMW, thank you so much for trying, your still a star! ;) Don't worry about not finding anything, Margaret seems to be a very alusive and mysterious woman!!
I don't have an exact date for her death, all I know is she died 4 months after my gran was born in Feb 1927, so it would be approx June 1927. I did find a death record on microfiche at my local GRO. These are the details. Margaret Hubbard (her married name) died 1927 aged 31. District: Middlesbrough, Volume: 9d. Page: 528. Will that reference enable you to find the actual date? If you don't mind and have a spare few minutes I'd be very greatful if you could check that out for me.
What is a Monumental Inscripton book? I've not come across that before. What info do you need from me to make the searching easier, I'll try to find as much as possible at this end so you don't waste your time!
All I know is that Margaret Williams married Edward Hubbard. Her father was William Williams (deceased on marriage cert). She had 3 children, Kenneth (1823), Edward (1825) and Edith (1827). When she died the children were brought up by their paternal grandparents, William and Kate Hubbard (nee Weed). I don't know anything more.
Just one final thing (hope I'm not pushing my luck too much!) Do you know if details for Hartlepool are kept at the Middlesbrough offices?? The reason I ask is I have found another birth for a Margaret Williams in Hartlepool, but I'm not sure its the right one. I emailed for confirmation through Tees Valley indexes but thay haven't replied. If the Hartlepool records are available would it be possible to look at them. If not, don't worry, I'll email the reg offices in Hartlepool yet again!
Thank you so much, if theres anything I can do in return let me know.
Legs
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hi legs
i will check again nex wed for june 1927,
the volume and page no is only required if applying for a cert
from GRO,its not even of use at a local register office.
A monumental inscription book lists what was written on tombstones in the graveyard,sometimes they are indexed in surname sometimes not.
if you look on the tees valley site "index content" its the 3rd one down it lists what they have on record(not fully complete yet) .
i will let you know next wed.
see ya
AMW
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hi legs
found something!
it was not in the june,may or apr,so i checked the St Cath index,
it was registered in sept qtr 1927, so i started again from july onwards,finally found on Friday 19th August !
Hubbard (nee Steel) Margaret,Dearly beloved wife of Edward Hubbard,cortege leaves 24 Chester St,Cargo Fleet,1.30pm Saturday for Eston Cemetry.Deeply mourned.
i carried on till 2nd Sep for a possible "with Thanks" but nothing ,and i also checked 1928 and 1929 in the "In Memoriam" section but again nothing.
dont know wether the above as been any help? but a couple of things i noticed was no date of actual death stated i guessed it must have been wed or thur of that week?
there living at 24 not 22? , i was also looking for myself later on today at the Kellys Directory which is old version of Yellow Pages for 1930-1931 and 1934-1935 ,different people were living at 24 Chester st,so presumably they left that address within 3 yrs of her death? for reference Cargo Fleet is not in North Ormesby,its about 1.5 miles from M,bro centre,Eston Cem is 2 miles from m,bro centre
hope this as helped?
bye
AMW
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Thank you so much AMW,
Now I am completely confused though, I have Edward and Margaret's marriage certificate and Margaret's maiden name was Williams, this also correlates with what my grandma knew. But what you found states that her maiden name was Steel - could that have been a mistake or an alias or was she married previously?? I'm very confused again!
Thats also strange about the address, the marriage certificate says they lived at 22, maybe they prefered the house next door?!
Cargo Fleet ties in well though as my gran was actually born there in 1927.
Do you know what kind of state Eston Cem is in?? I might drag my dad on a road trip to come and look for Margaret's grave stone - do you think its worth in?
Thank you once again
Love
Legs
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hi legs
she might have been married before, hope ive not put a spanner in the works!?
Eston Cem is large,without a grave number could be like a needle in a haystack? i wouldnt attempt it!
Somebody on this site has some monumental inscriptions for Eston
i cant remember his name try a post request , i think is name was Mike Guess ?
best of luck
AMW
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No, no, no spanners yet!!
I though she may have been married before as well, but the marriege cert I have for Margaret and Edward says she was a spinster and her father was William Williams - - - hmmmmmmmmmm - - - - not sure.
I'll put a post up for Eston Cem and see what happens, thanks for doing all you've done, all the info is fab
Take care
love
Legs
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Hi alllegs,
The is an entry in Tees Vally Indexes for a Margaret E Steel born in 1896. Link:
http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/search.php?table=births&last_name=steel&first_name=margaret&year=1896&span=2
One possible explanation, which I have had on one or two of my lines is that; Margaret was born out of Wedlock and took her mother's surname at birth. Maybe later William Williams married her mother and she took his name. Or her father was known anyway and she took his name later.
It's certainly going to be a bit of a puzzle to sort out. I've tried searching the online 1901 census, there is a record of a Margaret Steel (aged 5) in Middlesbrough, but no Margaret Williams. The link to try the search for yourself is http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
You will get a list of hits for your search criteria but you will have to pay to see a copy of the image of the page she appears on.
Regards,
Mike
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Hi
I thought I would join in this one as I was born in Middlesbrough and have lots of ancestors from there too.
The Margaret Steel aged 5 in 1901 is the daughter of John 35 and Mary Ann 29 of 32 Argyle St. She was born M'bro but her mother and brothers (Matthew 10 and James 8)were b Bishop Auckland. Her father was a car planer county of birth not known - Kirkconselt?? ref 4578 F12
Andrea
PS People frequently moved to another house in the same street - they were all renting so if a nicer one came up (or a cheaper one) they moved.
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That probably rules out Margeret Steel then.
What about these found on Tees Valley Indexes?
Search Results for 1897 +/- 2 years
Search births - results for MARGARET WILLIAMS 1895 to 1899
Result Year Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1895 MARGARET A M-J-102-0-0316 Middlesbrough
2 1896 MARGARET S-N-155-0-0132 Stockton-on-Tees
3 1897 MARGARET I R-S-043-0-0379 Guisborough
4 1897 MARGARET M-J-114-0-0375 Middlesbrough
5 1899 MARGARET M-J-122-0-0439 Middlesbrough
6 1897 MARGARET H-A-149-0-406 Hartlepool
Link = http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/search.php?table=births&last_name=williams&first_name=margaret&year=1897&span=2
There are a couple of possibilities for Margaret Williams on that list. The one born in 1895 could be promising, particularly as her birth was registered in the last quarter of the year.
FreeBMD gives the following:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Dec 1895
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Williams Margaret Ann Middlesbro' 9d 514
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Just found a 5 year old Margaret Williams on the 1901 census too. for the search use her name, age 5 +/- 1 year, for the place of birth type: yorks.
That gives 2 hits. One for Middlesbrough (aged 5), another in Eston (aged 4).
I couldn't find her before because I typed in Middlesbrough under place of birth, but it's actually listed as Middlesbro
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Thank you so much everyone, I'm very confused!!
I have discounted all bar one of the Margaret Williams on the Tees Valley index because none of them have a father called William. I emailed the Hartlepool office asking for confirmation (or not) on the fathers name but they haven't replied to my email. According to the family thoughthey seem to think that Hartlepool is to far out to br my Margaret Williams (but you never know!)
Thats strange about the death then as the only Margaret Hubbard death record I could find was obviously Sillgen's Margaret not mine.......where did mine go??
How bizarre that I can only find a marriage and not a birth or death. This women is driving me insane and I desperatly want to know more about her as my grandma knows nothing about her mother and I want to fill her in before its too late. Perhaps this is where I'll find the old family skeleton in the cupboard........?!
Thank you again for your help.
Legs
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1901 The one age 5 in Middlesbrough is the daughter of George and Barbara, 7 Sutherland St.
The one in Eston has parents John and Margaret.
Andrea
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Personally I wouldn't say Hartlepool is too far out for anyone to consider a move to Middlesbrough. Huge numbers of people upped sticks in the 1800's to move to the North East. Harltlepool is not that big a move to rule out. One of my anscesters moved with her family and other relations from Norfolk to Loftus in the early 1870's. In the space of a few years after that she lived in North Ormesby, Coxhoe Co. Durham and then Marske-in-Cleveland. Most of my ancestors had arrived in the Middlesbrough area by 1881, but like you I have a couple of very elusive ones with common names (William Gibson and John Thompson) who suddenly appeared in Middlesbrough around the late 1890's early 1900's and could have come from absolutely anywhere.
People at that time were more mobile than many folk believe, so maybe your Margaret Williams didn't actually come from Middlesbrough, she may not even have come from Hartlepool.
With that in mind I tried a search, on FreeBMD, for all Margaret Williams born in North Yorkshire and Duram in the years 1895, 1896 and 1897.
It came up with the following:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1895
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Williams Margaret Sunderland 10a 674
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Births Dec 1895
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Williams Margaret Ann Middlesbro' 9d 514
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Births Sep 1896
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Williams Margaret Stockton 10a 78
Williams Margaret Easington 10a 458
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Births Mar 1897
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Williams Margaret Ivy Middlesbro' 9d 607
Williams Margaret Jane Houghton 10a 482
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Births Jun 1897
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Williams Margaret Hartlepool 10a 166
Williams Margaret Sunderland 10a 588
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Births Sep 1897
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Williams Margaret Auckland 10a 229
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Births Dec 1897
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Williams Margaret Middlesbro' 9d 569
Williams Margaret Ann Auckland 10a 256
Assuming Margaret's age at marriage is correct, then this search would make the one in Easington a possibility. You will appreciate that the vast majority of Margaret Williams born between those dates were born in Wales.
Unfortunately you have problem/puzzle that we all hit sometime or another. All we can do is keep plugging away looking for more clues. Hopefully you'll find Margaret's birth sooner rather than later. The first thing to do though is eliminate all the local possibilities, which you are slowly doing.
Just don't assume that your familes stayed in one area, especially don't assume any ancestors of families based in the Teesside area, in modernish times, actually came from the surrounding locality.
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There is a William Williams, living in Stockton aged 30 at the time of the 1901 census, if the Margaret Williams (aged 4) living in Stockton in 1901 could be linked at the same address, you may have your hit. It may be that William Williams, is really Margaret's Step-father.
I could not cross-reference any other William Williams with a Margaret Williams in a search of the 1901 census in Durham or Yorkshire.
Mike.
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Thank you again!
How would I find out if there is a link between my Margaret and the Margaret and William in Stockton in 1901?? I am doing research on a students income so cannot afford to pay for the 1901 website. I have just spoken to my aunt (who is sort of helping with my research) and she has found the following (I'm not sure its linked but here goes anyway)
This if from the 1881 census.
William Williams b Wales in 1843 occ bank manager, living in Stoke
Mary Ann (wife) b 1850, Ormseby
Mary
Gwendoline
Hilda
All born Middlesbrough between 1873 and 1877.
I know you're probably think 'yeah and...?' but I found a forget-me-not bracelet with all my grans relatives names on it, one of these names was Hilda, there was also Evelyn, Pattie, Charlotte and Melva. My aunt can only find this one Hilda born in the M'bro area. I guess its worth a mention although I'm not convinced there's any link. I think maybe there could have been more children born after 1881 which obviously won't be on the 1881 census, any perhaps they may have the other names on the bracelet?? A very long shot I know. Also, according to my aunt, of which I had no idea, apparently Margaret married below herself and was shut off by her parents when she got pregnant with her 1st child before she was married. I'm not sure this is true but I will ask my gran when I next speak to her. ??? ??? ???
I have also re-emailed the Hartlepool GRO place to ask again if the MW they have registered has a father called William.
Thank you all again for your help and advice it is very much appreciated. ;D
Love
Legs ;)
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I have looked at the 1901 William age 30 - he does not have a daughter called Margaret.
Andrea
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Thank you Andrea,
Back to square one again!! Oh well at least all this researching keeps me ot of trouble!! Doesn't do much for my uni work though!!
Thanks again :)
Legs
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Have now looked for an Evelyn and she is with the George and Babara seen earlier who have a daughter Margaret age 5
1901 4579 F109 7 Sutherland St
George 47 Sheeter in ironworks B Wales treforest
Barbara 37 b Wales Dowlais
Lewis 14
Joan 11
Evelyn 9
Margaret 5
Charles 3 but it says daughter so that might be Charlotte?
All kids b M'bro
Andrea
Andrea
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ohhh thats interesting, thank you Andrea,
But i'm not sure that its the right family because the marriage cert I have says that Margaret's father was William Williams not George. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH! :-\
Thank you for looking anyway
love
Legs
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I've just found this..................
William Charles Williams, born 1872, St Erth, Praze, Cornwall
He married Elizabeth Ann Norman on 05 JUL 1893 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England.
This is him with his parents from the 1881
Charles WILLIAMS Head M Male 35 St Earth Praze, Cornwall, England Iron Miner
Mary WILLIAMS Wife M Female 32 Hayle, Cornwall, England
Mary Ann WILLIAMS Daur U Female 13 St Earth Praze, Cornwall, England Scholar
Thomas Hy. WILLIAMS Son Male 11 Camborne, Cornwall, England Scholar
William C. WILLIAMS Son Male 9 St Earth Praze, Cornwall, England Scholar
Samuel J. WILLIAMS Son Male 2 Normanby, York, England
They had obviously moved 'up north' before Samuel was born, could this be my William Williams?? I'm not sure how to find out if he had a daughter called Margaret though....?
Another shot in the dark but I guess its worth a go....
Love
Legs
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Ok with that find; Samuel was born in Normanby, that would probably place these Williams in the Guisborough registration district. The Tees Valley Indexes has:
born 1897 MARGARET I R-S-043-0-0379 Guisborough.
Did you eliminate this Margaret from your possibilities? I know it was in my earlier list but you said that only one Margaret was outstanding, so I'm probably flogging a dead horse. ;D
Another thought; three people called William Williams, died in the Teesside area between 1896 and the end of 1900, that would mean William would not appear on the 1901 census for the area. It's a possibility that Margaret was being looked after by other family members, but that opens another can of worms.
I dread to put down the possibilities opened up by the Steel/Williams confusion that has been mentioned.
Maybe with luck the Hartlepool Margaret will come up trumps.
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Hi again,
Ok the Hartlepool Margaret does have a father called William Williams, but I still don't know if its the right one or not. The Guisborough Margaret does not have a father called William
What now?? Any suggestions welcome!!
Thanks
love
Legs
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If this isn't your Margaret WIlliams, then you are going to have to open up your search to everywhere else really.
If I was in your shoes I'd be very tempted to accept this as my line and purchase the birth certificate. Of course because you have some doubts, you would have to mark the link unproven, until you can satisfy yourself that the link is, or isn't, part of your line. Once you have the birth certificate you will know the name of margarets mother. This might help to locate them on the 1901 census an give you some further proof.
As I said before Hartlepool isn't that far away from Middlesbrough, the only doubt now is the age at marriage, which could have been a little lie anyway.
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Just to check but is it a hand written certificate that says William Williams or a copy of the actual register? If it is the former it might be worth ringing the office to check they got it right. Human error can cause confusion!
Andrea
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Andrea,
I don't think Legs has got a copy of Margarets birth certificate. Alll she has at the moment is confirmation from the Hartlepool Registrar, that the Margaret Williams who she has enquired about, does have her father named as William Williams. She won't be able to get any more details without purchasing the certificate concerned.
Mike.
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Ah, but if you go back to the beginning of this very long saga she does have a marriage certificate giving the father as William Williams!
Andrea
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Sorry, I thought you were referring about the birth certficate.
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Hi all,
Yes the marriage cert I have is a copy of the original, I have emailed the local office to double check the details and will get back to you asap!
Thanks
love
Legs
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Hey,
All details are apparently correct for Margaret's marriage cert. Hmmmmmmmm not sure what to do now.
I also emailed the Hartlepool office again to ask about the mother of the Hartelpool born MW, to see if that would link in with the Cornish William Williams, but his wife, Elizabeth, is not that Margaret's mother.
Do you think its worth just buying that birth certificate and at least that would give me another name to work with??
AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH why is this women so elusive?? I have a feeling she doesn't want to be found.....
Thanks
Love
Legs
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It would be tempting for me to buy that birth certificate as it fits.
The thing that worries me is that there is no sign of this Margaret Williams as far as I can see in the 1901 census. Where was she at that time? Could there have been a name change, could she have died before the census and we've got the wrong one?
In fact it looks as if the one in Hartlepool did die at a very early age, FreeBMD gives the following death reference:
Deaths Sep 1897
Williams Margaret (aged 0) Hartlepool 10a 77
So it looks as if you have to open up the search.
There was a Margaret Williams born in Sunderland in the same qtr of 1897 as the Hartlepool one, she appears in the 1901 census. That birth might be worth checking out. The details are:
Births Jun 1897
Williams Margaret Sunderland 10a 588
If this Margaret does not have a father named William then you really do have to open up the search to every Margaret Williams born between say 1895 and 1897, and there are a lot of them about.
Possibly your best bet is to search the 1901 census for intances of Margaret Williams with an age of 5 + or - 1 year and work your way through them. There are 225 listed on the Governments Official 1901 census site, 94 of whom were aged 5. This will be a costly exercise unless you subscribe to Ancestry.co.uk which doesn't actually hold a complete list yet.
I think this is going to be one line that you may have to put aside for the time being, until you are in a position of of being able to afford a subscription to a Census website and, the time to make a sustained effort of slogging through a long list of Margaret Williams1901 census hits, looking for one with a father named William in the household.
You say she is ellusive, but really the problem is she has a 'commonish' name and that you are missing a vital piece of information or two. I have the same problem with one of my Great Grandfathers called William Gibson. In the end I've researched other lines and offshoots until I can either stumble over some extra clues or get more time to make a long sustained slog at finding which one of many he might actually be.
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Thank you,
In think you are right Coffers, I think its about time to put Margaret Williams on a back burner for now until I'm rich enough to trawl through the 1901 of join ancestry!!
I did waste about £50 (don't tell the bank man) on the 1901 going through some of the 5 year old MW's, I've found 10 with father's called William so far, but still have 35 to look at. Is it worth telling you which ones have fathers called William?? Let me know if your interested??!! The majority are obviously in Wales, I can't find any which I've not already eliminated who had moved to the Middlesbrough area before 1901 and I haven't checked any from the Liverpool area, of which there are about 6, a couple from London, 1 from Essex, 1 from Erth in Cornwall - could that link to the cornish family I found previously??
Of the 10 found so far with fathers called William Williams none had siblings or other obvious connections with the names I mentioned from my bracelet.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Thank you all for all your help, if you have any brain waves, let me know........!
Thanks again ;)
love
Legs
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I've had another look at the Cornish connection and it could be a possibility.
Given that one of the sons in the 1881 census was born in Normanby which isn't very far from either Eston or North Ormesby. As you say there is William WIlliams in the 1901 census at St Erth who could fit with the 9 year old William in the 1881 census for :
William Williams 29 St Erth Cornwall Cornwall St Erth Rural Engine Fitter
It looks as if he could have moved back to his roots from the Middlesbrough area. Do you know who he was living with at the time of the 1901 census?
The thing about Margaret being disowned could indicate that she actually moved away from where she originally lived, to get out of the way of her parents, to avoid further embarrassment. We seem to have a cornish man linked with Middlesbrough who went back to live in Cornwall at some point. Perhaps Margaret made the journey in reverse.
Given the 1901 census entry:
Margaret Williams 5 Cornwall Hayle Cornwall St Erth
Seems to link with William Williams of St Erth.
But the following entry for the 1881 census could discount the above:
Name, Year born, Birthplace, Relationship, Parish.
William J. Williams abt 1879 Landewednack, Cornwall, England Son St Erth
I think this is definitely a back burner job, there are too many possibilities at the moment to pin anything down to one one many possible persons. I don't think passing me any info on the other William Williams will help as you ned more clues as to where Margaret originated from. I don't suppose anyone living can remember whether she had an accent?
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Hi Coffers,
Thank you for all your help, I emailed the Sunderland office to ask about the father of the MW they have registered and it isn't William, another one down millions to go!!!
I'm afraid that the only person still alive who knew MW is my gran, and she doesn't remember anything about her as she was only 4 months old when MW died/disapeared.
I've just had a thought though, I don't have my gran or her brother's birth certificates, would they give any clues as to where MW came from?? I have all the details needed to order them but haven't bothered as I know from my gran about them. Or if I rang the registry office which holds them would they have any parish records etc that might give us a clue? I'd probably have to pay for them to do a search on my behalf............maybe thats worth a try.......?
Oh well, I guess I'll return my focus to the other drama's occuring elsewhere in my tree!!
This is more entertaining than anything on TV etc at present!!
Thank you all again
Legs
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Your Gran's birth certificate will not state where your mother came from, but it will state your Gran's mothers name and her birth name. It might also state any other name that she had prior to marriage though I doubt it, That would be more readily accessable on Margaret's marriage certificate. It will also state where they were living at the time.
Register offices don't normally hold copies of parish registers. Parish Registers are either held at the particular church parish or at County Records Offices. Margaret was married at North Ormesby Parish church wasn't she? That might be worth investigating if you can find where those parish records and registers are now held. I'm not sure where that would be as I've not needed any registers for the Middlesbrough area yet. A call to the Middlesbrough Reference library may offer some help or insight into where you might find such records.
The first step might be to find out if the church she was married in is still open and, if so, a letter to the incumbant vicar may provide some help, don't forget to supply an SAE. I'm not sure if they charge for look up services though.
Regards,
Mike.
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The Cleveland Archives Office in Middlesbrough are very helpful. They are more likely to know where the parish registers are than the Library. They may well have them on film.
Andrea
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That's useful to know Andrea, I'll remember that for a time I might need such services. :)
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Thank you so much AMW,
The telephone number for the Eston Cemetary Office is 01642 444991 ,if you ring them and ask for a grave no ,they will also let you if there is a headstone or not ,if there is I will visit and take a photo for you ,
Jan