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Hi
I've been re-reading my great Grandfather's diary of 1900 and have come across this address:
Thomas Parish
18 Cobden Terrace
Brandon Colliery
Durham
I believe this is one of my great Grandmother's relatives as her mother was a Caroline Par(r)ish. He would be likely to have been born Chirk, Denbighshire*, Wales (or any combination !), possibly 1850s/1860s. He would have been a coal miner. Thomas was a family name amongst this line and I'd like to find which one he was.
I've checked the 1901 for both England and Wales and deaths but can't find a likely candidate. Have I missed something?
The only Par(r)ish b. Chirk that I can find in the 1901 in Co. Durham is:
John Street, Eldon, Auckland St Andrew, Durham
RG13/4645/140/31
Parrish
James, 48, coal miner (Hewer) b. Wales, Chirk
Hannah, wife, 42, b. Cheshire, Macclesfield
Sam, 24, coal miner (hewer), Lancashire, Failsworth Lane, Manchester
Hannah, 12, b. Durham, Eldon
Thelia, 9, b. -do-
Rosa, 3, b. Lancashire, Moston, Manchester
Probably relatives of mine as well - and will need to check them out later.
No sign of Thomas though. Has anyone got any ideas where he might have got to? How stable was employment in the Durham mines around that time? Where did people go/come from, etc.?
Grateful for any help on this one.
Gadget
* Denbighshire can often be mistranscribed as Derbyshire!
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Hi Gadget,
This looks probable on 1891:
RG12/4098 folio 23 page 40
Maureen
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And in 1901:
18 Cobden Terrace
RG13/4678/130/ 4
Maureen
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Hi Maureen
Thanks for that. That will teach me not to assume a place of birth - I'd searched on Thom* and Tom* and on just Par* b. Chirk/Denbighshire/etc and just b. Wales and Denbighshire/variations. I didn't think that he would have been borm Durham :-[
Makes it more interesting now - some of the family must have moved much earlier than I thought. I've found Thomas with his parents on the 1851 in Hetton:
HO107/2393/418/32
The head is Isaac Parrish, 24, coal miner, b. Denbighshire North Wales
I'll now go find which family group he comes from. Also, if they moved that early on there might be even more :o
Gadget
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I'm now thinking that Isaac might have been Caroline (my 2x great)'s brother. I can't check properly until I'm back in Newcastle. That would make Thomas my great Grandmother's first cousin.
Grief - and there was me thinking that only one family moved up - and then only briefly - and I was the first to settle in the NE ! This line all had lots of children.
One of Isaac's children was b. Belmont - I lived close by there when I first moved up!
By now, I might have lots of relatives up here :o
Gadget
Added - how would Isaac have got up from North Wales in the mid-1840s - no railways in the Chirk area then.
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Just found Isaac (aged 15), Thomas's father in Chirk on the 1841. He was my Caroline's brother:
HO107/1399/1/8/7
I'd still be interested to find out how and why they travelled such great distances?
Also, that they kept in touch 55 years or so after Isaac had moved away.
Gadget
Added - on the 1911, Thomas is living at 44 Princess Street, Brandon Colliery. A Miner Deputy Overman, aged 63, b. Springwell :)
They'd been married 41 years and had 8 children, only 4 of whom had survived. So will try to chase up those 4.
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James Parrish, mentioned in my first posting, was the illegitimate son of Caroline's sister, Athalia/Thalia, so another 1st cousin to Great Grandmother and to Thomas. Obviously, his daughter was named after her.
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Just been looking at 1911 and I have a Thomas Heppell at 13 Cobden Terrace, Brandon Colliery ( my gg grandmas brother), our Thomas's may have known each other.
(In 1901 my Thomas is at no. 11)
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:D
I've gone back through all the censuses on the families now. I've got to chase up so many different lines. They seemed to have many children and their children had many............
I'm now going to try and work forwards to find if I have any current relatives in Durham!
Gadget
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Some nice old photos of Brandon here:
http://www.durhamminers.com/barchive/main.htm
and Cobden Terrace here:
http://www.durhamminers.com/barchive/qp0138.htm
:)
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I'll mark the thread as Completed for the time being.
Here is what I have on Thomas Par(r)ish:
Thomas Par(r)ish
Birth - Sept q, 1847, Durham, v. 24. p 43
1851
Brickgarth
Hetton le Hole
HO107/2393/418/32
Parrish
Isaac, 24, coal miner, b. Denbighshire, N. Wales
Elizabeth, 24, b. Durham Reckington ?
Margaret Ann, 3, -do-
Thomas, 2, -do-
Mary, 1, b. Belmont
Isaac Parrish and Elizabeth McC(r)ue married Mar q, 1845, Chester le Street, v. 24 p 29
1861
39 Brandon Colliery
RG9/3736/72/19
Parrish
Isaac, 36, coal miner, b. Denbigh, Wales
Elizabeth, 35, b. Durham Birtley
Margaret Ann, 15, -do-
Thomas, 13, coal putter,
Susannah, 3, b. Brancepeth
Sarah, 1, -do-
Marriage - Sept q. 1869, Durham, v.10a p 396
Thomas Parrish and Mary Ann Ainsley
1871
Wooley Terace, Crook with Billy Row
RG10/4939/11/16
Parish
Thomas, 23, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary Ann, 21, b. New Durham
John Isaac, 2 months, b. Wooley Terrace
Sarah, sister, 12, b. ?Oakeneham
1881
217 Bottom Row, Hamsteels, Esh
RG11/4946/114/ 52
Parrish
Thomas, 33, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary Ann, 31, b. New Durham
John I, 10, b. Wooley
William A., 8, b. Brandon
Elizabeth J, 5, b. Cornsay
George A, 3, -do-
Cuthbert W., 1 , b. Brandon
1891
Cobden Terrace, Brandon
RG12/4098/23/40
Parish
Thomas, 43, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary A , 41, b. New Durham
W Allan, 18, grocer's assistant, b. Brandon
Eliz J , 15, b. Cornsay
George A , 13, coal miner, -do-
Cuth N , 10, b. Brandon
Thos, 4, -do-
Albert R, 1 , -do-
1901
18 Cobden Terrace, Brandon
RG1/4678/130/4
Parrish
Thomas, 54, Deputy Overman, b. Easington Lane
Mary A , 51, b. New Durham
Cuthbert N, 20, coal miner -put(t)er, b. Brandon
In 1911 Thomas, 63, and Mary, 61, (married for 41 years) are on their own living at 44
Princess Street , Brandon. Thomas is still a Deputy Overman, b. Springwell
It looks as if Thomas died Sept q, 1911, Durham, v 10a p 483. Aged 63.
Gadget
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Gadget is interested to find out how and why her Welsh folk travelled to the North-East in 1800s.
Although it is usually difficult to find specific reasons for a flit, the Blyth-born RICHARD FYNES in his book ( 1873), "The Miners of Northumberland and Durham" covers various drifts of folk to and from the NBL & Durham Coalfield in 1800s.
M.Dixon
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Thank you, Michael :) I'll try and get hold of the book. (Just found and ordered a second hand copy supplied by our major census supplier)
I'm also going to try to do an analysis of the censuses to look at the various patterns of movements. I've already started on the N. Wales to Durham and I've also identidied quite a few Durham born people on the Chirk censuses.
Gadget
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Just an update that may be of interest to others.
I received the book this morning and have been reading through various sections.
It seems, as I suspected, that my 3 x great uncle might well have been lured to Durham as a potential strike breaker :-\
During the Great Strike of 1844, the coal owners sent agents to all of the major coalfields to get men to move to the area. They seemed to have been promised large wages and housing. It was only when they arrived that they discovered that the local miners were on strike. Some went back (often given money to return by the striking miners), some remained.
I would hate to think that Isaac was a strike breaker, especially given the subsequent involvement of the Par(r)ishes in the trade union and co-op movement, the ILP and so on in North Wales.
Gadget
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Here is what I have on Thomas Par(r)ish:
Thomas Par(r)ish
Birth - Sept q, 1847, Durham, v. 24. p 43
1851
Brickgarth
Hetton le Hole
HO107/2393/418/32
Parrish
Isaac, 24, coal miner, b. Denbighshire, N. Wales
Elizabeth, 24, b. Durham Reckington ?
Margaret Ann, 3, -do-
Thomas, 2, -do-
Mary, 1, b. Belmont
Isaac Parrish and Elizabeth McC(r)ue married Mar q, 1845, Chester le Street, v. 24 p 29
1861
39 Brandon Colliery
RG9/3736/72/19
Parrish
Isaac, 36, coal miner, b. Denbigh, Wales
Elizabeth, 35, b. Durham Birtley
Margaret Ann, 15, -do-
Thomas, 13, coal putter,
Susannah, 3, b. Brancepeth
Sarah, 1, -do-
Marriage - Sept q. 1869, Durham, v.10a p 396
Thomas Parrish and Mary Ann Ainsley
1871
Wooley Terace, Crook with Billy Row
RG10/4939/11/16
Parish
Thomas, 23, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary Ann, 21, b. New Durham
John Isaac, 2 months, b. Wooley Terrace
Sarah, sister, 12, b. ?Oakeneham
1881
217 Bottom Row, Hamsteels, Esh
RG11/4946/114/ 52
Parrish
Thomas, 33, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary Ann, 31, b. New Durham
John I, 10, b. Wooley
William A., 8, b. Brandon
Elizabeth J, 5, b. Cornsay
George A, 3, -do-
Cuthbert W., 1 , b. Brandon
1891
Cobden Terrace, Brandon
RG12/4098/23/40
Parish
Thomas, 43, coal miner, b. Hetton
Mary A , 41, b. New Durham
W Allan, 18, grocer's assistant, b. Brandon
Eliz J , 15, b. Cornsay
George A , 13, coal miner, -do-
Cuth N , 10, b. Brandon
Thos, 4, -do-
Albert R, 1 , -do-
1901
18 Cobden Terrace, Brandon
RG1/4678/130/4
Parrish
Thomas, 54, Deputy Overman, b. Easington Lane
Mary A , 51, b. New Durham
Cuthbert N, 20, coal miner -put(t)er, b. Brandon
In 1911 Thomas, 63, and Mary, 61, (married for 41 years) are on their own living at 44
Princess Street , Brandon. Thomas is still a Deputy Overman, b. Springwell
It looks as if Thomas died Sept q, 1911, Durham, v 10a p 483. Aged 63.
Gadget ,
I think this is a link to my family. Margaret Ann Parrish born Oct 1845, Belmont, Durham, married Thomas Cowen and emmigrated to US in 1883 Their daughter Mary Alice married Henry Mason Wheatley. If this is her family, Isaac is my husband's 3rd great grandfather. All the locations in Durham match. Do you have any info to confirm? S
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Gadget, This appears to be a family link. My husband's 2nd great grandmother was Margaret Ann Parrish married to Thomas Cowen. Margaret was born Oct 1845 in Belmont. Durham. She married Thomas Cowen and emmigrated to US in 83. Their daughter Mary Alice married Henry Mason Wheatley. Do you have any info that could confirm this? S
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Hi :D
It looks as if it could well be. I need to check up on the info that I've gathered but at the moment I'm having problems with vision, etc. so can't scroll through my info.
I'll PM you. It would be nice to know that there's another relative out there :)
Gadget
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Hi again
I can't seem to find a birth registration or baptism for Margaret Ann. I can't go through the records at the moment.
Have you got a reference?
Gadget
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No reference Just searching census records for Durham. She was born Oct 1845. Probably Belmont,Durham. I believe married 1865 Jan q Auckland St Andrew Durham Vol 10a pg 214. Husband is listed as Cowens should be Thomas Cowen. Lived in West Rainton , Durham on 1881 Census.
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If you could get her marriage cert, it would confirm her father's name.
Maybe Durham online might have something as well.
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If you can get confirmation, I have this line going back to Chirk, Denbighshire and before that to Shropshire.
Also, Isaac's parents were Thomas Par(r)ish and Ann Jones - see;
http://www.ancestral-tales.co.uk/html/parish_line.html
Gadget
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Thanks. I considered the Durham online but was not sure that the father's name was listed on marriage cerificates. I have been uable to find out when she died, since the death certificate would have that info. That is how I found the name Parrish, off her daughter's death certificate. i checked the lineage on the LDS site and did get some of the info on Isaac's ancestors. Thanks I will be working on this to get confirmation. S
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Do you have the link to the LDS info because I don't see it!
My tree was researched thoroughly by me! I don't trust online ones ;D
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http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp
Hope this works for you. It is for Thomas Parrish.
I hope to keep in touch. S
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The only one that I can get up with a father Isaac was b. Tennessee circa 1854 or some patron submission ones for Isaac's father, Thomas, which have the correct date but are very iffy.
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I shouldn't be doing this but I decided to try looking for the Elizabeth McCue/McCrue who married Isaac Par(r)ish, mar q, 1845, Chester le Street.
Couldn't find a baptism or easily on the 1841 but I've found this family:
Mount, Usworth
HO107/ 299/12/25/15
McCree or McCru (indexed as McCree)
Margt, 44, widow
Elizabeth, 15
Margaret, 13
Sarah, 10
Allan, 6
all b. Co. Durham
If it is the correct family, then Margaret Ann might well have been named for the two mothers - Elizabeth's being Margaret and Isaac's being Ann.
Gadget
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Thanks so much for your help. Please don't strain your vision. Stay in touch.