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I am looking for details of this Dunsmore family in Canada on the census. They immigrated from Scotland in about 1882.
James Dunsmore was born in Scotland in about 1853, and Clara Ellen was born in Somerset, England in about 1855. They had at least one child, Albert Peter, b Devon in about 1875.
Thanks
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You can search the 1891 Canada census by name at Library and Archives Canada. Images are available as well. Here's a link to the database:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.html
There is a James and Clara Dunsmore with eight children (including Albert) in Sherbrooke, Quebec on that census. Albert (15), James (13) and Peter (11) are listed as being born in England. Thomas (10) was listed as being born in Scotland while the other children - Garnet (6), Mary (4), Margaret (2) and Clarence (2 months) - are listed as being born in Quebec.
You can search the 1901 and 1911 Canada census for free at this site:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html
The transcriptions do link to the images at LAC. I tried to find the family on the 1901 and 1911 census but came up empty.
Jacquie
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I found the following births/baptisms in the Drouin Collection at Ancestry:
Acton Vale (Protestant)
Peter, son of James Dunsmore of Acton Vale, Province of Quebec, agent of the Canadian Cooper and Sulphur Company, and Clara Ellen Townsend, his wife, was born February the twenty second, Anno Domini, eighteen hundred and eighty and baptized December the fourth, Anno Domini, eighteen hundred and eighty three.
Thomas Townsend, son of James Dunsmore of Acton Vale, Province of Quebec, agent of the Canadian Cooper and Sulphur Company, and Clara Ellen Townsend, his wife, was born June the twenty fifth, Anno Domini, eighteen hundred and eighty one and baptized December the fourth, Anno Domini, eighteen hundred and eighty three.
William Garnet, son of James Dunsmore of Acton Vale, Province of Quebec, agent of the Canadian Cooper and Sulphur Company, and Clara Ellen Townsend, his wife, was born May the eighteenth, Anno Domini, eighteen hundred and eighty four and was baptised January the twentieth the following year.
Sherbrooke (Church of England)
Mary Elizabeth, daughter of James Dunsmore of Sherbrooke, and Clara Ellen, his wife, was born on the second day of December eighteen hundred and eighty six and was baptized on this third day of August following.
Margaret Clara, daughter of James Dunsmore of Sherbrooke and Clara Townsend, his wife, was born on the sixteenth day of January eighteen hundred and eighty nine and was baptized on this first day of May next following.
Clarence Charles, son of James Dunsmore, Foreman at the Palon(?) Mill, Sherbrooke, Q, and of Clara Townsend, his wife, born on the seventeenth day of March eighteen hundred and ninety one, was baptized on this fourth day of October next following.
Clara Townsend, daughter of James Dunsmore, of the Palon(?) Mill, Sherbrooke, Q, and of Clara Ellen, his wife, born on the thirtieth day of November eighteen hundred and ninety three, was baptized on this eighteenth day of March eighteen hundred and ninety four.
There is a birth at ScotlandsPeople that was registered in Cambuslang, Glasgow in 1881 for Thomas Townsend Dunsmore. I didn't view the image.
Jacquie
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There is an entry for James and Clara with children James, Peter and Thomas arriving in Quebec on the Manitoban on 5 May 1882. Here's a link to the passenger list at LAC:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06rn/
I couldn't find Albert on any passenger lists so it is possible that he was missed for some reason when the rest of the family was listed.
Jacquie
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Thanks, Jacquie. This was my first foray into Canadian territory, so thanks for directing me to those sites. I had no idea they were available.
In regard to Albert, I am wondering if he travelled with his grandparents, Peter and Margaret. I am not sure when they came, though.
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There was a party of 16 Dunsmores destined for Sherbrooke who arrived in Quebec on the Grecian on 30 Sep 1880 but I didn't see any Alberts with the group. There was also a Cowan and Horton family going to Sherbrooke listed immediately after the Dunsmore party. I mention that because on a number of the birth/baptism entries there are witnesses named Cowan so the families may be connected somehow. Here's a link to the passenger list at LAC:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ru/
Jacquie
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Death of Clara T. in 1897, Beauharnois PQ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qchuntin/gleaner/1897.htm
sometime in 1901...James Townsend Dunsmore, married Mary Beffre. At Trinity Church, Beauharnois PQ
arghhh... they are there... but obviously mistranscribed or written badly...
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qchuntin/gleaner/1899.htm
12-08-1899 Mrs. James Dunsmore, died at Beauharnois, age 45 years....
If this is she, then oddly no one used her full name...was James already gone as well?
We might be looking for only the children on census...
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Garnet, Peter & James & wife (May Leffre?) ... in 1911 Lachine, Que.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=108308
I see a death for Garnet William in 1912 on *A*
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James....Dunemore ::)
with Garnet as Janet...Thos. as Thor... ::) ::)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=37700
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=37701 a new child "L" in 1896
Says girl but then so was Garnet...
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Thanks for the extra info, JJ.
I don't know why Mrs James Dunsmore wasn't entered as Clara Townsend Dunsmore. If my information is correct, her husband remarried and did not pass away till 1935.
I don't seem to be able to find Albert the oldest son on the census in 1901, as he is not with the rest of the family, but I must admit I have not searched exhaustively yet.
There seems to be an indication he was in Michigan in 1920, 1930. I don't know about 1910, though.
The new child "L" in 1896 is actually Elizabeth Isobel. I dont know how that came to be L, unless they said "Bell" short for Isobel.
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It says Jas. Dunsmore Male Widower, I imagine...altho we can dispute the gender mixup with Garnet later on....
But there is no "Mrs" in there for sure ....
Also it says Maitre which is master...but then it say contre...having seen the word before I think the contre was supposed to have been replacing the word crossed out above which would make the word contremaitre...foreman....so it is James...
burial in the Druin records prior to 1901 for a Clara in 1897 and a( oh, right, found that was daughter, earlier) Clara Ella in 1899...a lookup to see if this is wife, Clara...Ugh I see I also found that death earlier...
so I haven't the foggiest what you are asking....
Also the family may have called Elizabeth "El"...nicknames or favourites of multiple names seem to have always been allowed in those days...which is why we have trouble finding some people....J.J.
By the way I went through all of Beauharnois transcriptions looking for a Clara or a James or a Garnet before I found Dun....
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Clara Ella Townsend, of England, wife of James Dunsmore, of Scotland, died Dec 8, 1899 and was buried under the name dunsmore Dec 10, 1899.
James Dunsmore d. August 24, 1935, age 85 and buried Sept 1, 1935 witnessed by James T. Dunsmore. So far no record of a second marriage.
Elizabeth Isabella born May 20, 1896 Father was a mill foreman
Isabel, daughter of James Dunsmore and Clara Ellen Townsend died Lamrins(?) New York State Oct 6, 1923 and buried Oct 8, 1923. Aged 27. Witnesses James and James T. Dunsmore.
Garnet William Dunsmore died Oct 16, 1912, aged 28. Present at burial James and Thomas Dunsmore. Lachine (Anglican, Saint Stephen).
Debbie
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James Townsend Dunsmore married May Beffre April 4, 1901. His occupation was mechanic.
May Dunsmore (Beffre) died at the Lachine General Hospital Dec 13, 1936. Witnesses to burial were James, Peter and C.C. Dunsmore. James' occupation was insurance business.
Peter Dunsmore of Lachine, Quebec, son of James Dunsmore and Clara Townsend married Janet Gamble Sept 15, 1919. Father James was a witness. (St. Andrew Presbyterian, Lachine)
So far found 2 children for this couple
Garnet William b. July 11, 1920 and
T. J. b. March 22, 1927 at Lachine General Hospital.
Debbie
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There is an online ancestry tree that shows the information given in this thread as well as the marriage of Thomas Henry Dunsmore to Kathleen Hurley Nov 13, 1915 York and
Clarence Charles marrying Ina Stewart, Margaret Clara marrying Edgar Lutsey and Mary Elizabeth marrying Harry Pope (these without documentation).
Perhaps you should contact the owner of the online tree and compare notes.
Debbie
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http://www.albanycounty.com/departments/achor/naturalizationIndexesDetail.asp?offset=32630
Link to naturalization records for Margaret Clara Dunsmore
On the 1930 US census she is living with Edgar and son Emory J. (24) in Oneonto Otsego New York State. Her year of immigration is 1908. She is employed as a stenographer. Edgar is working for the steam railway as a signal supervisor. Social Security Death Index for Margaret Lutsey shows her last residence as Oneonta Otsega New York and her SSN issued by Railway Board. B. Jan 16, 1889 and d. July 1980. She is probably there in the 1910 and 1920 US census but I didn't look.
1930 US census for Clarence C. Dunsmore (39) b. Canada and emigrated 1926. Working as a Caretaker, Salesman in a bakery in Detroit City, Wayne County, Michigan. Living with his wife Georgina(37) b. Ireland emigrated 1912. Ina as a short form of Georgina.
Debbie
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Hi, Debbie, nice of you to add more, but you need to remove the names of those who may be living, please....
That is what the p.m. system is for...However you may use initials instead of the forename...
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http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/
If you search here at Avondale Cemetery Stratford - Perth County, Downie Township you find a Thomas Dunsmore and a Kathleen Dunsmore (Hurl) which may or may not tie in with your family. You have to follow the links to the specific genealogical society which holds the transcriptions for the headstones and contac them for further details.
Debbie
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Cosmac, someone with ancestry access has contacted the tree owner on my behalf several weeks ago, but they said they were on holidays and would contact on their return, so I guess I will have to be patient. Of course, one cannot guarantee that they will answer at all, hence my own research. I could not see from their tree how they would connect at all, so it will be very interesting if they reply.
This part of my Townsend tree just seemed to disappear into a big black hole until I saw the entries and followed up on them. it is marvellous how sometimes it all falls into place when you are least expecting!
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Albert P Dunsmore did not emigrate to Canada at the same time as his family. In the 1881 census he was in Devon with John Isaac Parker and his wife Elizabeth. The census record indicates that he was John's grandson.
It took me a while to work out how this could be possible but I think the story goes like this:
1. Elizabeth Palfrey was born about 1836 in Dunster, Somerset daughter of William Palfrey, farmer.
2. In the March quarter of 1854 she married Thomas Townsend, son of Henry, a farmer. Registered at Williton, Somerset.
3. Clara Ellen Townsend was baptised on 18 Aug 1854 to Thomas Townsend, Timbescombe (near Dunster), miller and Elizabeth his wife.
4. I don't know what became of Thomas, but Elizabeth Townsend married John Isaac Parker in the March quarter of 1871. Registered in London.
5. Clara Ellen Townsend married James Dunsmore in Devon in June quarter of 1875.
6. Albert Peter Parker Dunmore was born in Devon in the June quarter of 1876, mother Townsend.
7. John Parker died in 1882, after which I can find no further record in England of Elizabeth or Albert.
So there is little doubt that Elizabeth Palfrey/Townsend/Parker was Albert's grandmother but could John Parker have been his grandfather, as stated in the census? Maybe. Albert was clearly conceived before Thomas and Elizabeth married and it is just possible that John Parker was already on the scene. A good use for a DNA test, especially if Albert has male-line descendants.
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Welcome to Rootschat! ( Oops, sorry, now see you have been here for years) Couldn't see a death for Thomas either...
Don't see Thomas Townsend b. 1827 Devon, in 1861 census, although see Elizabeth & Clara age 6 were boarding in London, Kensington.
Elizabeth does say married, not widowed, but who knows, as sometimes that was said for a feeling of safety, if the husband was dead or absconded. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VH-DKJ
Clara Ellen as a teen, with grandmother & step grandfather (and step aunt? who's younger than she is ) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJF-ZV1
Not positive, as he's a farmer on census...but my own grandfather was both these occupations, so not unlikely at all.
? Mary Palfrey remarriage to Thomas Brewer June quarter 1868 Dulverton vol.5c p.489
BREWER Thomas Mary PALFREY 20 Apr 1868 / by licence / occ. carpenter
witnesses: William Melhuish - Ann Melhuish
widow & widower, Thomas x Timberscombe fathers: Thomas Brewer & James Jones
http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pbtyc/H_m_w/Skilgate/marr_1.html
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Thanks. You're right, I haven't been on here for a while! Thanks for the personal message as I did not get the topic update notification. I believe Elizabeth Parker nee Palfrey later marries an Alexandre Witkowski and dies in Somerset. My interest was from theTownsend angle, trying to find out what happens to Thomas. You're right, something might turn up from DNA at a later date. Thanks for your info.
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You're welcome for the heads up. When the site gets busy I always say it goes "boing" and notifications get turned off again. This was not just a chase for Thomas Townsend, as it was clearly a Dunsmore search ( see subject line for the title of the request) but I did add the post re: his family in case someone wanted to look for him further, as he is related to the subjects. All the best J.J.