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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Lei on Thursday 23 July 09 22:49 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to find when my Gt x3 grandfather came to England.
His name: Innocenzo Maspero b capiago, Lombardy, between 1790 - 1800 died Carshalton (Epsom district) Surrey 1860
Married 1827 Sarah King c1801-1833 Carshalton, Surrey.
then married 1844 Susan Daniels c1818 - 1878 b maidenhead Berks
I found his family/wills etc.. on the mayoral rolls in the local Library archives
and on the 1841 census.
Any idea's?
Lei
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Helo Lei,
Just seen your message - I am a descendant of Innocenzo Maspero via the Daniels family ( my great grandfather was Richard Innocenzo Daniels, son of Richard Daniels and Mary King Maspero) I am only a beginner at this geneaology stuff but would love to know more about this side of the family.
I have various reports of the family being in business - cheeesemongers, jewellers and painting and decorating! Not sure how much is true but I believe that they were originally in Stepney?
Would love to hear from you!
Chars
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Hi Chars,
:D :o ;D Hi there cousin
Yes you' re quite right, Your Gt grandpa was a cheese monger.
I have my family tree on Ancestry.co.uk with loads more info
Lei
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Hi Lei
I am also a descendent of Innocenso Maspero, and ma currently looking for his birth certificate - do you by any chance have it?
Our branch is descended from the enigration to England when William Angelo Maspero emigrated eventually to South with his son Charles Harold Maspero.
I also have a letter from Sir Gaston Maspero, the egyptologist indicating the family was in several branches at Innocensos lifetime...
Regards
Andrew
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In the 1851 census he is aged 53 - so born 1797/98 and was born in Capiage ,Italy....it is spelt Maspeno but I suspect that is a mistranslation :)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKX-Z14
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Hi
If you put Maspero into the National Archives catalogue you get this many returns:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=3&_q=Maspero
Quite interesting as the King and Daniels names also feature.
Also the place of Carshalton.
Thanks
Darin.
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Thanks Darin. We are looking to determine whether Innocenso renounced Italian citizenship when he left Italy and also a birth certificate which I doubt we will get from Natinal Archives in UK - Ive tried contacting the church where he was born already - but no response yet. The National census might be able to ascertain whether he was a British or italian citizen - but not sure how to confirm on this.
Kind Regards
Andrew
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Hi
Capiago Intimiano is in the Province of Como, in the region of Lombardy.
It looks like civil registration for Como didn't start until 1806, so it looks unlikely that there is a birth registration for Innocenzo.
The Archivio di Stato di Como may be able to confirm this.
As you say, the only other option is the church records for baptisms.
The Archivio storico della Diocesi di Como may have church records. You could try contacting them:
archivio@centrorusca.it
If they don't hold them, they may tell you somewhere that does
Thanks
Darin.
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Thanks Darin - very much obliged!
This is the last information we need - as I confirmed this afternoon with UK National Archives Innocenso Maspero never naturalised to be a British citizen - however he was on the 1851 UK Census.
In order to complete ancestral visas for ourselves we need to prove to the Italian government the father Innocenso (to William Angelo the son), never naturalised- which means Italian citiizenship is passed from father to son at birth - Italian Government authorities will go back as many generations as is needed for ancestral purposes....
The only outstanding information we need it the birth certificate - which the Italian Consulate in CT have said will be very hard to find for a birth in 1790
let me know if you come across any more info - Ill do the same my side
Kind regards
Andrew
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Hello Lei
I am a direct decendant of Innocenzo MASPERO ..... William angelo was my grandfathers father..... If you can tell me more about the Maspero family I would be most grateful.
Thank you
Gail :)
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Hello chars
I believe the Maspero's were in leatherhead in Surrey when they first came to this country. Then quite a few moved to Cape Town South Africa
They were clockmakers and barometer makers. For a while they lived above the Dukes Head in high street, leatherhead.
My grandfather John Harry Maspers ( now deceased) aged92 is the son of William Angelo Maspero
He said they lived in Carshalton
Hope to hear from you soon
Gail
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Hello Gail,
I have researched your William Angelo (he was my great great grandmother's little brother) and all of Innocenzo's children. They were all born in Carshalton, Surrey.
Innocenzo came to England in 1826 and resided in London, Clerkenwell? until he married his 1st wife Sarah King of Carshalton in 1827.
William Angelo is from Innocenzo's 2nd marriage (to Susan Daniels). After William's marriage to Martha Sarah Ann Cooke in 1870 they moved to Leatherhead. You can find him on the 1871 census living at The High Street (no door number).
I hope this helps.
Lei
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Thank you for your reply Lei, and for the information.... Do you know any more of Inncensio and any information of the earlier time of his family in Capiago?
My grandfather was John Harry Maspers... The (o) was dropped at some point. His father was William Angelo ....
Regards
Gail
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hi
I am a decendant of the maspero family and have copy of the family tree dating back to innocenzo born in 1794 in capiago italy and his father julio, its show right up to my grandfather william who was born in 1899.
I would love to hear from anyone related to the masperos so we can link up and try to put our family tree together x
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I too am related and my grandfathers father was William Angelo Maspero and my grandfather is Maspers...... The o must have got dropped at some point.
There is someone on here called Lei .... I have been in touch with her recently and we have shared her tree....I could put you in touch with her..... I should really like to see your tree.....
Also my mother Margaret North has done our tree on Ancestry.co.uk, as much as she could find out anyway.
She is not subscribed to it at present tho.
Feel free to contact me anytime.
Gail Gyngell
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Hi gail
If you would like to contact me by email we could look at how we can see each others family trees my email is libbymorgan82@icloud.com