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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: fishcake on Thursday 23 July 09 21:31 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Would anyone be able to look up William Carlisle (b.1857) on the 1901 census please. I'm almost certain that they live in Tow Law.
His wifes name is Dorothy, they should also have children living in the house.
I know of Robert, Frances, Dorothy, John George, Joseph and Walter.
The 1901 census on the website I've subscribed for doesn't seem to include Durham??
thanks
Jacqueline
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Is this the correct family in 1891 RG12/4085/164/33 :-\
Living.. Inkermans Cotts, Towlaw
Wm 33 Coal Miner b Greencroft, Durham
Dorothy wife 29
Mary J dau 10
Edward son 9
Wm son 8
Margaret dau 6
Robert son 4
Frances E dau 2
Dorothy dau 4 1/2 mths.... all born Greencroft, Durham.
If not can you please post more details of their dates and places of birth please.
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yeah thats the right family ;D
cheers
jacqueline
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Well thats one good thing. :)
I have spent ages this afternoon trying to find them in 1901 but no luck so far,
Where do you know John George, Joseph and Walter from as they do not appear in 1891 ???
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Hello,
Joseph, John George, Walter and Eva are all on the 1911 census, they're still living at Inkerman.
The 1911 census also states that Dorothy gave birth to 14 live children and that 11 were still alive. I've found 12 children on the various census results and I know that Edward died in 1903, but I'm having trouble finding the names of the last 2 children.
cheers
Jacqueline
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Hi Jacqueline,
There is something strange here, and I am quite confused the children you mention John ,Joseph, Walter and Eva appear on the 1901 census as children of a Wm DIXON and a Dorothy. ???
Living North Rod, Towlaw. RG13/4663/76/11
Wm Dixon 45 Coal Miner b Towlaw
Dorothy 40 wife
Mary dau 20
Edward son 19
Thomas son 18
Robert son 14
Frances dau 11
Dorothy dau 10
John son 8
Joseph son 6
Walter son 5
Eva dau 9 mths.
These all match exactly in ages to the children of Wm Carlise and Dorothy in the 1891 census. ???
Do these ages fit with the family on the 1911 census ???
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OOh thats very strange!
Yes they ALL fit in with the 1911 census.
The weird thing is the address
in 1891 they are at Inkerman Cottages, and they're still there in 1911
cheers Jacqueline
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Well Jacqueline,
To try and work this out, can you please post all the family details you have in the 1911 census. do you have any birth certificates for any of the children, ??? this would tell us who the parents are, before I go any further.
thanks
Patrish.
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Hello there,
Sorry, no I don't have any birth certificates but here's the info from the 1911 census at 32 Inkerman Cottages, Tow Law
WILLIAM CARLISLE- HEAD- AGE 54 -COAL MINER- BORN SEAHAM HARBOUR
DOROTHY CARLISLE - WIFE- AGE 49 - BORN LANCHESTER
FRANCES HINDSON- MOTHER -WIDOW- AGE 77 - BORN WHITBURN
ROBERT CARLISLE - SON -AGE 23 COAL MINER- BORN TOW LAW
FRANCES CHARLTON - DAUGHTER -AGE 21- BORN TOW LAW (she has already married my great grandad. However he is also living with his own parents at the time.)
DOROTHY ANN CARLISLE -DAUGHTER- AGE 20 - BORN TOW LAW
JOHN GEORGE CARLISLE -SON - AGE 18-COAL MINER - BORN TOW LAW
JOSEPH CARLISLE- SON - AGE 16 - COAL MINER - BORN TOW LAW
WALTER HARRISON CARLISLE - SON - AGE 14 - STUDENT - BORN TOW LAW
EVA VICTORIA CARLISLE - SON- AGE 10 - SCHOOL - BORN TOW LAW
WILFRED HENRY CARLISLE - SON -AGE 8 -BORN TOW LAW
JAMES HINDSON - VISITOR - AGE 20 BORN SEAHAM HARBOUR
FRANCES ELIZABETH CHARLTON -GRAND DAUGHTER-AGE 3 MONTHS - BORN TOW LAW
It's all a bit bizarre isn't it.
Do you think they just put the wrong surname down on the 1901 census?
cheers Jacqueline
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Hi Jacqueline,
Well that does confirm that the family was all still together in 1911.
I am really puzzled, think I will try and get some other help.
I dont think a surname would be entered wrongly, also the address for the Dixon family was North Road, Tow Law.
Now found out that Inkermans Inn was in North Road, sop
I supspect Inkermans Cottages are also.
We will get to bottom of this I am sure, eventually
Patrish.
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Well Jacqueline,
The mystery is solved thanks not to me but another Rootchatter CaroleW.
It is the same family in 1891 , 1901 and 1911
We dont know why they have gone down as Dixon in 1901 only but that was Williams mothers maiden name.
Marriage of William Carlisle to Frances Dixon March q. 1852 Stockton 10a - 44
1861 RG9/3748/15/37 living Dawdon
Francis Carlisle h.m 27 Washerwoman b. Whitburn
George son 8 b Seaham
William son 5 b Seaham
also living a the same address is
Francis Dixon 65 Coal Miner b Thorney? Row Durham
Ann Dixon wife 65 b Outside? Hall, Durham
These look like Frances Dixons parents.
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I think this is William aged 5 missing father in 1861
Living as a boarder in Back St. Ingleton, Yorkshire RG9/3177/78/19
William Carlisle married 67 a Shoe Lace Hawker b Scotland.
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As to the number of children that Dorothy had, working back through the census's
1881 ..... 1 1891 ....another 6..... 1901 ....another 5 and in 1911 another 1 making 13 in total.
You say Edward died so that leaves 12 living, so perhaps one of the elder children died before the 1911 census :-\ she may have had 2 stillbirths but they would not be registered so cannot be found.
Patrish :)
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Wow! Thanks sooo much ladies,
That's fantastic I really appreciate your help. I never would have been able to find that info. I'd found William's mam Francis the washerwoman, but had no idea where to start looking for his father.
A shoelace hawker? Not exactly royalty, eh? ;D
thanks again
Jacqueline
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Hello Patrish,
I was just thinking, does that mean that Frances Carlise is age 27 in 1861
but her husband is 67? Thats a huge age gap, isn't it?
Or have I gotten the wrong end of the stick?
cheers
Jacqueline
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No you havent got the wrong end of the stick, I have found that Wm Carlisle tonight on the 1851 census with a wife Jane, so its not your one after all.
Must admit the age gap dident dawn on me but it was quite late when I posted last night.
So I wonder where he is, might be an idea to get thier marriage certificate for his details, then we might find him.