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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: karenoz on Thursday 23 July 09 01:32 BST (UK)
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hi,
looking for a myles mcinnes b 1875 coming over from nsw between 1890-1900 to nz.
or anyone who may have him married to a blanche robinson b 1877
thanks
karen
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Hi
IS the one you want a son or different person to the
MYLES MCKINNON Anderson Bay cem who dies 1929 aged 94, 68 years in province
the the MYLES MURDOCK who marries ROBINSON 1900
there are MILES spellings as well
Bye
Althea
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Info previously added to Karen's other thread on this family :
(re: Myles / Miles Murdoch McINNES - born Australia c. 1875)
NZ Marriage
Blanche Madeline ROBINSON - Myles Murdock McINNES - 1900
NZ Birth Index
1901 - Violet Irene McINNES
1909 - Thelma Myles Emlie McINNES
(parents : Blanche Madeline - Miles Murdoch/Myles Murdoch McINNES)
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NZ Death Index
1955 - McINNES - Blanche Madeline - 78 years (bc 1877)
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1929 - Myles McINNES (94) ... born Scotland (wrong One)
1959 - Myles McINNES (b.c. 1903) ... too young
1950 - Myles McINNES (no 2nd name recorded) (80) (bc 1870) ???
[Note: Another "Miles / Myles McINNES and wife Ada, have births of their children registered on NZ index between 1898 and 1907. The death above for Myles McINNES (1959) appears to be their son. ]
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Hi Karen
Hmmm ... I've had a good look around for any info relating to your Miles / Myles McINNES, and there is really not much to be had I'm afraid.
Yes, that could be his death in 1950 (although the age is out by some five years) ?
Certainly we've found Blanche Madeline's death (though unable to say where that was registered - will need to check microfiche at library for that).
What is interesting, is NO deaths ... nor marriages in NZ for either of the daughters ?
I wonder if you might find them in OZ ?
Lu
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As to arrivals in NZ from Australian ports, the PROV website is the only one which offers a (reasonably) comprehensive listing of passengers. (This is for persons leaving from VIC).
For passengers leaving from say Sydney, there are very few lists and these might be found in a name search at PapersPast ... but often just surnames were given in the daily shipping lists ... and sometimes passengers names weren't published at all !
Lu
PS : Blanche Madeline ROBINSON doesn't appear to have been born in New Zealand (possible though she could have arrived here as a child with her family).
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Blanches details at Waikumete
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=12840
Bye
Althea
There are some just Murdock and variants
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche Kauri/Kaurihohore A.06.03
Surname MCINNES Given Names Murdock
Year of Death 1942 Age 67
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thanks guys, i have ordered the marriage c of myles and blanche hopefully it will tell me if its the right myles mcinnes. yes that is abit of a mystery of where the girls have ended up.
myles brother Godfrey lived in queensland so will check there too.
thanks
karen
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There are some just Murdock and variants
Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche Kauri/Kaurihohore A.06.03
Surname MCINNES Given Names Murdock
Year of Death 1942 Age 67
Whoops ... sorry, should have mentioned that I'd already checked out the "Murdoch" McINNES names.
This one died 1942 appears to be the husband of "Priscilla Eleanor" - married 1897 - she is buried alongside.
Lu
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Hi,
Way back with the Murdoch and the Miles and the Romsay bit. Any hope John McInnes is the son of Murdoch McInnes and Christy McInnes and was born about 1839 at Strath Skye and came on the Marco Polo in 1852 with the family? Given Duncan, Margaret and Sarah his siblings were living at Romsey I could see the connection. If so Murdoch McInnes was brother of my Anne McInnes. The Miles comes from Christina's brother Miles Murdoch and Christy had a son Miles Alexander (the first Alexander died) in Melbourne in 1859 (Sarah was born in 1855).
John is the only one out of that family that I can't find anything on.
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hi meg7, this sounds real hopeful, not sure how its fits but i cling to any straw.
john mcinnes married maria thesea quinn at young nsw in 1866 on there mariage c they havnt named there parents , just they where both catholic
4 of there children godfrey bernard,andrew john,ellen christina ,emily n who died at 1yr. where born at young nsw.
2 born at balranald nsw,myles murdoch,ernest nerney.
all i know is that john was a postmaster or a telegraph master in 1872 in young.
in 1877 when the youngest was born the 3 eldest children where put into randwick asylum not sure how long in there for.
i know romsey meant something as ellen christina named her daughter romsey.
and on her marriage c she has put down her father john mcinnes is dead her marriage was 1897, so wander if he died in 1877 this is why maria put her children into asylum?
ellen christina must of kept intouch with her family as she had myles murdoch down on her marriage as witness.
questions=where did john mcinnes died?
did johns wife maria remarry and maybe this is why the kids where sent away?
where did myles murdoch end up?
where did ernest nerney end up?
i have godfrey bernard mcinnes b 1868-1950 in queensland married to a lillian maud thompson in 1899-1949
children dorothy lillian b 1901-1957 married to john fredericks in 1929.
godfrey bernard b 1905-1928
andrew john b 1908-1969
andrew john mcinnes b 1867-1910 married 3 times no known children. he died at parramatta ,sydney.
1st wife agnes bridget kelly m 1887 d 1901
2nd margaret corcoran m 1904
3rd beatrice shopland m 1907
well thats about all the enfo i have on these mcinnes, love any help thanks
karen
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Hi Karen
* Have you got a birth certificate for a child of John (and Maria) McINNES, which might give you an approximate birth year for John ?
Lu
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hi lu,
no just their marriage c, it only saying that they where married in the catholic church in young 11.2.1866,
it also says he was a telegraph officer as occupation.
would the catholic church in young, hold more enfo on them.
and how would go about finding them to get it if any.
thanks karen
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hi lu, yeah i with you now, no i havent i tried that getting ellens birth cert then, it should then give me the mothers age ah.
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen,
Remembered that Lee and I when he was living in Wales (now in WA) followed a line we thought might be our family.
It turns out it is yours (may be ours). Myles Bernard died at Heidleburg (Melbourne) aged 64 years in 1983.
I am sure I have a copy of a certificate somewhere but I rang his wife up and she knew very little about his family. I think she said he came from Sydney. I will have the notes somewhere. :-[
Any way his parents are listed in the Victorian death index and Myles Murdoch and Blanche (no maiden name listed).
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.... would the catholic church in young, hold more enfo on them.
and how would go about finding them to get it if any.
Hi Karen
Hmmm ... not really sure about the Catholic church (in Young) having any additional info. ???
Seems that there is Family History group in Young (or one servicing the neighbouring area). I'll add the link - just need to re-find it.
ADDED: Link to Young (NSW) Family History group (they don't seem to have a website but there is an address you can write to).
http://www.ihr.com.au/societies.html
Lu
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Hi again
... and Welcome to RootsChat, Meg. :)
Wow Karen ! Meg is really onto something here ! :)
Myles Bernard McINNES (d. Heidleburg, Melbourne, 1983)
(Parents: Myles Murdoch and Blanche) :
Australian WW2 Service record :
McINNES - Myles Bernard
Date of Birth : 22 March 1919
Place of birth: Dunedin, New Zealand
Enlistment place: Caulfield, Vic
Next of Kin : B. McINNES
Lu
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Hi Lu and Karen,
Not sure I am really getting the hung of this. ???
Any way I found Maria. She died in 1899 (13318) at Grandville. Parents Bernard and Ellen. Bernard seems to have died in 1900 no parents listed. There seems to only have one child listed in 1850 Bernard but they had a Michael as well as he had a Bernard who died.
Maria's mother Ellen Quinn died in 1871 (7007) at Young parents Michale and Maria. I can't find a marriage so I don't know here maiden name.
Given Myles brother of Christy McInnes mother of the John, Lee and I are looking for, had another family after his wife died and they had a Godfrey who died in Sth Australia in 1912 I would think it is the right family as it is a pretty unusual name.
There is a John McInnes who was 89 in 1928 who died at Narrandera no parents listed but there are others with no parents and no ages so it really could be any of them and he could have died in another State. :'(
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well done girls,its sure looking promising,and make since it should fit.
thanks karen
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Hi Lu and Karen,
I just rang St Mary Church in Young. They will have a look for me tomorrow when the secretary comes in and ring me back. Can I have the actual marriage date please?
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thanks meg7,
john mcinnes and maria theresa Quinn married on 11th feb 1866 nub=1866/001580
you got maria parents as bernard and ellen with ellen dieing at young 1871 ,that would mean they would be in the church records too
karen
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Hi Karen,
May be. She would be in the cemetery if there are any burial records.
The children's baptisms might be in the records.
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hey ladies great news i got the marriage c for myles murdoch today and yeppey its him.
so we getting closer, you are saying that they moved back to australia.
on this it has her blannche madaline robinson 24 born Tasmanian living in ch ch nz her parents giles scott roberson hotelkeeper. madaline roberson (Mc Cossey) not sure on that
oh i am so over the moon,we knock off 1 more brick.
thanks girls
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
C H O I C E !! :)
(Great news with that marriage cert Karen).
Blanche Madeline (aged 24 in 1900 = born c. 1876) ... so that is definitely her burial in Auckland. But I wonder why she is there (and not in OZ) ? Perhaps she and Myles had other children between the births of Thelma in 1909 ... and Myles Bernard in 1919 ... and those children remained in NZ ?
(Will see if I can find Blanche's funeral notice ... it might give a clue ?)
Lu
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Hi again Karen
* Were the "witnesses" names, on that marriage record ?
Lu
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Hi Karen and Lu,
Yes, great news.
Certainly closer to tracking them all down.
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hi lu, yes its exciting, do we have a date for a death for myles in vic, maybe she came came back to her family in nz.
thanks
yes but i not sure if i can read then ok = h. mansfield , and elizabeth drummond.
karen
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having alook on ancestry i can see they where in Blaclava vic between 1919 to 1936, is anyone able to see whos down in the family as i can see alot of mcinnes in this area at that time.
funny thelma is down for that time, taking she hasnt married. no sign of myles tho pass 1919 hmm.
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Hi Karen and Lu,
The only ones in Victoria are the rest of our lot. No Myles or Miles spare. Could he have died on the ship going back to NZ?
Takes after his father by the sound of things.
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Hi Karen and Meg
yes but i not sure if i can read then ok = h. mansfield , and elizabeth drummond.
Mmmm ... these marriage witnesses didn't lead me to uncovering anything else.
do we have a date for a death for myles in vic, maybe she came came back to her family in nz.
The only ones in Victoria are the rest of our lot. No Myles or Miles spare.
Could he have died on the ship going back to NZ?
I guess it's still possible that he might be the Myles who died in NZ in 1950 (though index says he was 80 years - bc 1870 - still that could be wrong ?) I'll check place of death registration (need to view microfiche, at library).
Lu
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Hi
Just having another look at Blanche's cemetery record (Auckland, NZ) ... it doesn't actually say she was a widow ??
(Only states "home duties" ... also has her listed as a "male" ::) :D)
AND ... Myles Bernard (living at Glenhuntly, Vic) enlisted (WW2) 28 May 1940 ... he names his mother ? (B. McINNES)as next of kin.
So wonder if that might indicate that his father (Myles) is deceased at that time ?
Ah well, we'll just keep digging. :D
Lu
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hi lu, yes i thought the same as you, not much else to go on by, then his son myles bernard say and died there. is there a way you check the enrolled list on ancestrey as i only have a visitor pass .
i wander why myles husband to blanche isnt there after 1919 as she is still right there till 1936. .with daughter thelma.
yes i stop that too ,thought it was funny saying she was a male.
karen
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Hi Lu and Karen,
Can't say too much here as it is a public forum and the information belongs to BDM Victoria.
But Myles Murdoch was a Linotyper doesn't say if he was dead or alive. Robson is the maiden name for Blanche
Myles B was a retired policeman
He died 17 September 1983 and had been in Aus for 61 years so came here when he was three. Born in Dunedin
It names his wife, who I spoke to, and there were two children both sons.
We got the certificate in July 2002 which would be when Lee was living in Wales and we were doing all of this research.
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hi meg, i would be very grateful if you come across there names, love to get in contact with a living rally might help fill in the more of the gaps.
karen
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Hi Karen,
They are both listed but not sure if they are still alive which is why I didn't post their names.
OK, 1931 Blanche Madeline 37 Briggs St Caulfield and Thelma Myles saleswoman 5 Briggs St.
1936 both at 176 Balaclava Rd Caulfield. Thelma is still a sales woman. Myles B would be too young to appear.
So if they came to Australia in 1922 Myles might not have come with them.
Most of the others listed are our family like Myles Alexander and Lee's lot in WA.
Mind you Sth Aus is not there so Myles could have been living there.
Not sure what to do next.
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thanks meg, do you have a name for myles bernard wife or a marriage date that mabe i can order that and see if he is still alive on that.
he could of remarried,or gone to live in queensland his brother godfrey lived ,or we have no idea he could of gone where his other brother ernest nerney mcinnes, i have no idea where he went either.
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
. is there a way you check the enrolled list on ancestrey as i only have a visitor pass .
Here's the link to WW2 enlistments (not really much info on the index ... but sometimes it's helpful for a lead to something else). ;)
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
Great work Meg (with those addresses and other info). :)
Ah ... so ROBSON was Blanche's maiden name ? (NZ Marriage index showed her as "Robinson").
EDITED to amend - ROBINSON is the correct maiden name for Blanche Madeline (w/o Miles Murdoch McINNES) :
* Was there any sign of the other McINNES daughter that we know of ? Violet Irene - born 1901 (NZ) ?
* Does the VIC BDM have a marriage for her ?
(She may have returned to NZ under a married name ?)
BUT .... Myles Murdoch is the BIG problem ... huh ?
Lu
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he could of remarried,or gone to live in queensland his brother godfrey lived ,or we have no idea he could of gone where his other brother ernest nerney mcinnes, i have no idea where he went either.
Hi Karen
On that WW2 enlistment index, I spotted an "Ernest McINNES - b. 1900 - at Towong, VIC
Enlistment place - Caulfield".
Father: Mr E. McINNES ???
Probably a "red herring" ... but maybe worth following up on ?
Lu
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hi, i wander if they put a death notice in the paper for her in oz,seeing she lived both places and had family in both.
wow thats good going lu!
i try to look but i dont know there birth dates.
seam real close to me the same area.
karen
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just looking at it again hmm 1900 that would of had to being myles son and they married in 1900 in nz and had voilet 1901 still you never know!
the ernest i am thinking of is myles m brother ernest nerney b 1877
karen
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the ernest i am thinking of is myles m brother ernest nerney b 1877
Hi Karen
Yes, I realise it was Ernest Nerney McINNES ( the youngest brother of Myles and Ellen Christina, and who you haven't yet found ) ... so in 1900 he (Ernest N.) would have been 23 ... and could quite possibly have been the father of this Ernest born at Towong ??
Ernest (b. 1900) - father is just listed as "Mr. E. McINNES"
so my thinking was (father) might also be named Ernest ? :D
Lu
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hi lu, off course i not thinking ,you onto it,
is there any way we see if any other kids b in the area,other names might give us a cue.
this area is still vic is it?
karen
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hi,just look at map and hmm maybe the father john mcinnes ended up there as i see its not to far away from young and if he was shifted around for his work. who knowns with this family? they seem to pop up everywhere.
karen
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Hi Karen,
Couldn't have said it better. :)
Wish we could find his death. Nothing from the Church yet so I will ring them again.
It is possible that Maria had problems with the birth of the last child and went to Sydney to recover.
It is also possible way out where John was working that he died from an accident and his death was not recorded.
Wish we could get employment records or Post Office Directory information for the area at that time.
Would it be worth getting a transcription of Maria's death or even her certificate online as this is a bit cheaper?
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Would it be worth getting a transcription of Maria's death or even her certificate online as this is a bit cheaper?
Hi Karen and Meg
Ah ... was just about to suggest that Karen should perhaps get the death cert. for Maria McINNES ... might just provide some more leads / clues ?? :D
And best (and cheaper) to get this through a transcription agent (and have it emailed to you). I can thoroughly recommend the following :
http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/
Lu
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hi lu,meg, i was thinking getting the marriage of myles bernard that way it would tell us too if was dead,which i think he was.
but maybe you right we may find out more with maria death C
just being going through the army stuff and see there was a vernon john b1920 with father being ernest at towong
thanks guys
karen
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Hi Karen,
The marriage might not be available. He was 23 when he married and the index period goes to 1942.
Sorry. :'(
However, his wife is still listed in the current phone book. What questions did you want me to ask? ???
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he could of remarried,or gone to live in queensland his brother godfrey lived ,or we have no idea he could of gone where his other brother ernest nerney mcinnes, i have no idea where he went either.
Hi Karen
On that WW2 enlistment index, I spotted an "Ernest McINNES - b. 1900 - at Towong, VIC
Enlistment place - Caulfield".
Father: Mr E. McINNES ???
Probably a "red herring" ... but maybe worth following up on ?
Lu
Karen and Lu,
Ernest (father) died in 1951 at Corryong parents Alexander McInnes and Eliz Hamilton.
While the son Ernest isn't registered two other births are in 1897 at Corryong and 1899 at Howth West. (He married Emily Rose Heath in 1896 and was born at Watta which I would think is Wangaratta.)
Ernest Nerney's second name must be a family name and I would think the sister that died Emily had it as well.
Might be worth finding out where it comes from.
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hi meg, hmm maybe if she new of any of myles brothers godfrey,ernest and why did her mother in-law go back to nz and if she new where myles murdoch could of ended up.
if she ask i know our christine riddell is or would of being her husbands cousin,and i know she would really like to get in-touch. shes is gona be 80 this year and it would make her day if we could find some one from her grandmothers family.the mcinnes.
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
Good work ... that eliminates that particular Ernest McINNES !
Ernest Nerney's second name must be a family name and I would think the sister that died Emily had it as well.
Might be worth finding out where it comes from.
NERNEY ... (and var.) ... Irish.
[Possibly from the QUINN side ... or maybe Maria's mother's maiden name ? I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it at this stage ... especially with Irish records being what they are. ::) ]
Lu
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he great thinking it might be her mothers maiden name ellen Quinn maiden name
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i have order maria death, how long before they get back to you ?
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Hi Karen
If you purchased the cert for Maria (from the link I provided to you) ... then he'll send you an email advising when he's going to the registry. Should be middle of next week (a helluva lot sooner than if you'd ordered via the NSW BDM website). ;) :D
Lu
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Hi Karen
Don't know if this is an awful lot of help ? :D
Listings from Wise's Directory NZ
1910 - McINNIS (sic) - Miles E. ? - printer - 136b Great King Street, Dunedin
1913 - McINNES - Miles - printer - 46 Athol Place, Dunedin
1919 - McINNES - Miles M. - printer's mchnst (machinist ?)
92 Hanover Street, Dunedin
1921 - McINNES - Miles - (same occ.) - 262 Hanover Street,
Dunedin
1924 - NOT LISTED ! (Checked up to 1928)
( 1922 and 1923 were not available : Directories cover listings for all over NZ: No sign of an "Ernest McINNES" anywhere) :
You'd have to guess (I suppose), that the whole family "upped sticks" and moved to OZ ?
Lu
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thanks lu,
yes it sure looks like they move around alot,even in the same street.
do we have him even in oz in the 1922s
i dont see a death for him in dunedin,wander where he got too.
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen
Might be a good idea to post a look-up on the OZ board just to see if anyone can find burials / deaths, for Miles Murdoch and Ernest Nerney ? (Fresh eyes, may just spot them ... ?)
Lu
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i dont see a death for him in dunedin,wander where he got too.
No, as I said, I think Miles moved with Blanche and the children to Australia.
I've just found more info. on the only other "Miles / Myles" McINNES who died in New Zealand (the others we'd ruled out previously).
McINNES - Miles - aged 81 - died 1950 (bc 1869-70)
[This chap died at Te Puke in the North Island but, (and am presuming he was cremated) - he is listed on the burial locator with his son Miles junior, who is buried at Hinds Cemetery, Ashburton, South Island : Wife of Miles snr. (Ada) is also buried at Hinds ].
So, unless your Miles changed his name, then he ain't buried in NZ. ;)
Lu
PS : Heading to the library very shortly, so will try and find the funeral notice for Blanche Madeline.
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Hi Lu and Karen,
Great work that certainly is him. If there was an inquest there might not be a death certificate (can check that Tuesday).
The thing is there are heaps of relatives here but did he know that? Ellen must have spent time at Romsey to use the name. Hey you know there is an extra child in the photo of Sarah and her husband and children in one of the Romsey history books. :) Not sure what date it would be but I will bet some stayed at Romsey with family members.
Also, Ken McInnes sent your email onto me so I will email you back with any information I get from Myles's wife. Yes he has Skye connections but not this family.
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--- just another thing.
Has anybody checked out TASSIE ?
I know we have Blanche, Thelma and Miles Bernard in later years in VIC.
But Blanche was born in TAS ... did the family move there firstly ... to be near her parents ? Perhaps Miles Murdoch died in TAS ?
Lu
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yeh good thinking lu, you would think she would of stayed,but maybe they all move up to vic for unknown reasons.
is it possibly her parents lived in vic, i know they probably dead by this time, just maybe other members are there.
giles robinson and madeline he was down as a hotel keeper.
thanks meg,i am looking forward to hearing from you on that.
karen
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Hi Karen and Lu,
Seem to have missed a bit in all that. Was there a notice?
Could do Tasmania on Tuesday but not look up the films because I won't have time.
The lady isn't answering her phone so I will keep trying there.
Should we be looking for a Giles McInnes? ???
Meg
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Should we be looking for a Giles McInnes? ???
hey ladies great news i got the marriage c for myles murdoch today and yeppey its him.
on this it has her blannche madaline robinson 24 born Tasmanian living in ch ch nz her parents giles scott roberson hotelkeeper. madaline roberson (Mc Cossey) not sure on that
Hi Karen and Meg
... did you mean "Giles ROBINSON" ?? ;)
OK ... just some quick search results for "Giles Scott ROBINSON" ... and I think possibly that his real name is "Giles Escott ROBINSON" ? (And he seems later to have been in QLD ?)
From Australian newspapers
Brisbane Courier - 13 February 1884
Transfer of license from Julia DOWDALL* to Giles Scott ROBINSON for Avoca Hotel :
Brisbane Courier - 22 April 1885
Transfer of Licence for Avoca Hotel, Wharf Street, Brisbane from Giles Escott ROBINSON to James McCANN :
QUEENSLAND BMD - Marriage
1883 - Giles Escott ROBINSON - Julia DOWDALL*
[* Julia DOWDALL was previous licencee of Avoca Hotel : Has Madeline ROBINSON, w/o Giles, mother of Blanche, died prior to 1883 ?]
... continued >>
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Giles Escott (Scott) ROBINSON
Don't want to spend too much time on this chap, but if you do a "Google" search, you can find the following :
* McCARNEY - Madlin (sic) (Madeline ?)
ROBINSON - Giles Escott
Marriage - 1868
[The above is from a website which gives details of persons who have stated their birthplace as Co. Tyrone, Ireland and also have a connection to VIC. * Madlin McCARNEY is the person born in Tyrone.]
-- The "Ford/Lester" family tree on A*******y has a link to a "Giles Escott ROBINSON - b. 1843" :
-- NSW Police Gazette - 1890 (on CD) has an entry for Giles Escott ROBINSON :
Lu
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Death of Blanche Madeline McINNES (Auckland, NZ) :
GRRR !! I searched high and low for a funeral notice for her (both Auckland newspapers of the day) ... and found ZILCH !!
As the cemetery record only gave a date of death (and not the date of cremation) it occurred to me that cremation may have taken place some time later, if say, her family had to travel from Australia ? (To boot, the funeral director mentioned in 1955, seemed to have gone out of business and there was no reference as to where the firms records had been transferred). Arrghhh !
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Oooh !! I just found this. :D :D
[Makes me feel better about not having found anything for Blanche.] ;)
Australian Newspaper search
Argus (Melbourne) - Friday, 11 October 1940 - page 4 :
[NOTE relating to this article: "This item has been digitised, is still being checked, and will be available in the next few weeks". The following is my interpretation of what is viewable online at present : ]]
"KIRKPATRICK .. On October 10th, 1940, at a private hospital, Brunswick ... dearly loved wife of Thomas Allan KIRKPATRICK of 140 .... Thelma Myles ... loved daughter of Madeline and the late Miles McINNES and loved sister of Violet (Mrs ROBSON) and Miles Bernard McINNES ... "
[It looks like her husband was known as "Allan" and that mother Blanche ... was actually called by her second name, "Madeline" ??]
Lu
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Hmmm ... yes, I didn't think that Blanche Madeline wouldn't have been all alone and living in Auckland. (There had to be another family member around ... somewhere ?).
So here she is ... :)
Cemetery Record - Purewa Cemetery, Auckland, NZ
Violet Irene ROBSON
Died 1966 - aged 65 years (bc 1901)
Date of service : 26 May 1966 (Cremation)
Ashes : Returned (to family ?)
If I've got time this week, will see if I can locate her funeral notice.
Lu
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Hi Lu, i cant get over it, YOU have found HEAPs well done!!! how do you do all that in that time.
got word from Meg she found out myles murdoch gson says he dosnt know much only that his father myles bernard was brought up by rallies,and never knew his sisters.
so Voilet follow her mother to nz.
cant get over this family being all over the place and what a sad family that got broken up .
thanks Lu i think you have crack it. you truly amaze me how you find it all.
karen
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Hi Lu and Karen,
It is really great. Given the name Robson on Myles Bernard's death certificate as his mother I would say one of his sisters looked after him. Can check the marriages tomorrow.
I can't see a death for Thomas Allan but Thelma is there aged 32. Hopefully Violet married the Robson in Victoria. :)
Hey maybe there are some Robson relatives around.
Meg
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got word from Meg she found out myles murdoch gson says he dosnt know much only that his father myles bernard was brought up by rallies,and never knew his sisters.
so Voilet follow her mother to nz.
Hi Karen
Aw ... I was so peeved at not finding anything for Blanche Madeline in NZ ... just thought I needed to apply a bit more effort ! :D ;D
Interesting ... the new info about Miles Bernard ... not knowing his sisters. ?? (Of course, they were a lot older than him - especially Violet who was 18 years his senior). But why did MB when he enlisted, put his mothers' name (B. McINNES) as his next-of-kin ? Strange ? And also (in 1936) his mother and sister were living together ... and (in 1940) he's listed as "loved brother of Thelma". ???
I'm thinking that Violet and (possibly her husband and family?) went to NZ (after say, 1940) and probably took Blanche with them as by this time, Thelma had died ?
Lu
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Hi again ... just spotted Meg's post. :)
Yep .. good thinking Meg, re: the ROBSON / ROBINSON names.
I'd thought, because they are so similar, that "Robson" might have been substituted for "Robinson" on those certs ... but yes, it does make a lot of sense that Miles B. might have been raised as part of his eldest sister's family. ;)
Begs the question though ?
* What was Blanche doing while her son was (possibly) being raised by his sister ? (I note that there is no occupation given for Blanche in those 1930 and 1936 E/roll listings ? Of course Blanche was 42 or so, when Miles B. was born, so she would have been approaching 60, in 1936).
Lu
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Hi again Girls
Meg ... just wondered if you might be able to find a listing (electoral roll) for Violet Irene ROBSON in 1930 / 1936 ? (Would be interesting to see if she is living close by to her mother and sister). :)
Grrr ! We still ain't got any further clues on Miles Murdoch !
* Might there be a "trade directory" (or Wises Post office directory or similar) for around 1922, which may have a listing for Miles Murdoch ? (I kinda figure that as his occupation was "linotyper" ... and that he was in the printing industry, then he was more likely to be living in a reasonably large town ... than "out the back of Bourke" ? ;D
Of course he could well have ditched that trade ... or he may have done a runner from his family and taken on a new identity ?) ::)
Lu
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Duh ! (It's too early in the day for me to be thinking clearly). :D
Miles Murdoch McINNES
Yes, it just occurred to me that THIS family obviously knew that Miles M. was deceased (as per Thelma's 1940 death notice) ... so the theory of him "having done a runner or changing his identity, just doesn't stack up ! :-[ )
I liked the earlier thinking, that perhaps Miles M. could have died whilst in transit to Australia - circa 1922-23.
Question
* Are there any specific registers in OZ, for "deaths at sea" ?
[If he'd died on a voyage between NZ and Oz, then it's most likely the ship he was on, would have had an NZ or Oz registration, and the death would have been recorded at the nearest port (or in a marine deaths register at nearest port) ].
Lu
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Hi again Girls
Meg ... just wondered if you might be able to find a listing (electoral roll) for Violet Irene ROBSON in 1930 / 1936 ? (Would be interesting to see if she is living close by to her mother and sister). :)
Lu
Hi Lu,
Good thinking. Only in 1931. Sidney Clarence a traveller and Violet Irene living at 37 Briggs St Caulfield. :D
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hi Lu,
yes it would make sense if died on the way over, Meg, said that the son said his grandfather died when his father was at school that would of had to being between 1924-1936.
well done.
karen
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Just had a look at St Kilda cemetery online which is very close to the area and Myles Alexander McInnes is there in 1936. (He is the brother of John McInnes who married Maria Quinn.) No Robson that seems to fit.
Meg.
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hi Lu,
yes it would make sense if died on the way over, Meg, said that the son said his grandfather died when his father was at school that would of had to being between 1924-1936.
well done.
karen
Hi Karen,
No he said his mother died when his father was a school boy so she couldn't have died in NZ when I said. Didn't know anything about his father's father at all. :(
Meg.
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hi Meg,
well its strange then why would of myles bernard have put his mother down as being next of kin when he enlist. or does b mcinnes stand for someone else maybe the person who brought him up hmm.is this another cue.
karen
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Hi Meg
Thanks for that info on Violet's husband.
Here he is >>
Purewa Cemetery (Auckland NZ) - record :
ROBSON - Sidney Clarence Emerald (cool name ? ) ;D
Died: 18 June 1980 - aged 86 years
Cremation : Ashes (returned) :
[Will check for his death notice also].
Lu
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hi Lu,
yes it would make sense if died on the way over, Meg, said that the son said his grandfather died when his father was at school that would of had to being between 1924-1936.
well done.
karen
Hi Karen,
No he said his mother died when his father was a school boy so she couldn't have died in NZ when I said. Didn't know anything about his father's father at all. :(
Meg.
??? Will let you guys sort that out between you ... I'm kinda lost ? :D :D
So what we have, is Violet & hubby, Sidney, living at 37 Briggs Street in 1931 ... SAME address as Blanche and Thelma !!
Perhaps the ROBSON's moved to NZ before 1936 ? - as by then Blanche and Thelma are at Balaclava Road. (So if young Miles B. is with his mother in 1931 ... then he must have known at least one of his sisters fairly well ... huh ? )
Lu
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Hi Karen and Lu,
B McInnes will be his wife and not his mother. Good job finding the husband of Violet Irene in New Zealand.
I imagine that five people in a house was a bit crowded. I wonder if the Robsons had any children?
So we think that Blanche or Madaline as she was known went back to New Zealand with Voilet and hubby. Thelma looked after Myles. Perhaps she wasn't well and Myles thought she died but she didn't.
Meg
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Lu and Karen,
The electoral rolls can be out of date like the directories. It could be they just didn't take Blanche off. :'(
Will try the directories tomorrow and see if there is a Myles Murdoch anywhere.
Meg.
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Hi Karen and Meg
Yes, you're absolutely right Meg, info from e/rolls and directories can be misleading (directories in particular were notorious for not removing names / old addresses ... or for showing both "the old and current address" for the same person !)
Glad you've sorted out "B. McINNES" too Meg. :) (Was beginning to have doubts that this was Blanche on the enlistment form, when I saw that she was actually known as Madeline).
Hopefully the funeral notices for Violet and Sidney, will give some detail about any children they had ? (Check made for probate records, but there was nothing for either of them.)
Have to remember too, to treat with caution, family recollections which come from other generations - this info is not always strictly accurate ... though it shouldn't be ignored. ;)
Lu
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hi Lu, just got the death c for maria theresa quinn
death 1899 age 44 (hmm think this is out abit.)
father Bernard Quinn labour
mother Ellen Nerney (you where right on there.)
birth place dublin,ireland
in nsw 32 yrs
at age of marriage 17yrs (this then doesnt add up to her age put down)
spouse john mcinnes
children of marriage=1 male living unknown name
place of death newington asylum
nothing about john being decease or she had other children.
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Hi Karen
[WOW ! That was beaut service from the transcription agent ... getting the record so quickly ! ] :)
Oh dear ... it seems that there was a real tragic element to the life of Maria. :'(
I'm guessing that the informant to her death, was a medical attendant (or somesuch) ?
(This probably accounts for some of the info "not quite stacking up" ? Still it's interesting that parents names /and spouse have been given correctly.)
I did think earlier, that the reason why we had found no trace of Ernest Nerney McINNES, was that he may have been adopted out as an infant ? And of course you've found the index record for Andrew, Godfrey and Ellen being placed at Randwick Asylum in 1877 (about the time of Ernest's birth) ?
* I wonder if there are any records for this Newington Asylum where Maria died, and whether there might be a record of her admission date ?
Lu
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hi Lu, never thought of that , yes on it says she died of tuberculous has down length of illness unknown.
another thought was maybe the mcinnes in romsey took him and renamed him as john was there only boy who married and had children, thus being the only heirs, they where kinda funny in those days about these things, wander if this too happen to myles bernard that he was taken from his mother.
yes its is a sad story this family,as it unfolds.
thanks
karen
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hi again, i wandering if i apply for those records at randwick ayslum would i get the reasons and if it tells me if john is dead at this time. if so can i get these through the same guy.
thanks yes he was fast !
karen
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hi Lu, never thought of that , yes on it says she died of tuberculous has down length of illness unknown.
Hi Karen
There's a lot of info available re: Newington Asylum (later Newington State Hospital) ... do a "Google" search for it.
Seems that there are some records available also for inmates.
1883 - NSW government opened the Newington Asylum. The home cared for poor homeless women and women with chronic diseases.
[So quite probably Maria was a long-term sufferer of TB ?]
Lu
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hi again, i wandering if i apply for those records at randwick ayslum would i get the reasons and if it tells me if john is dead at this time. if so can i get these through the same guy.
:)
Was just about to suggest that you get the Randwick Asylum records.
I'm not sure what sort of info they will contain. ( I got the record for my g-g-gran and her sister who were placed in a NSW orphanage - though they weren't strictly orphans. It gave admission and release dates, and to whom released.)
Yes, get in contact again with transcription agent - he's always happy to answer any questions. ;)
Lu
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You know Karen, I was just thinking earlier about John McINNES.
I know there is no (obvious) registration for his death on the NSW index, but I do wonder if he died about the time of birth of Ernest Nerney ??
Something "catastrophic" has obviously happened to this family in 1877.
Do you have a date for Ernest Nerney's birth?
It doesn't matter too much if you haven't. But somewhere in the space of say, seven months, in 1877, this family (or part of it) has moved from Balranald (Ernest's birth reg'd. there) ... to Sydney (800 odd kms away) !
There doesn't appear to be a historic society specifically covering Balranald, but the Balranald Shire Council may be able to assist with cemetery records ? May be worth trying there to see if there is a record for John McINNES ?
[Gosh ... Balranald was a wee place - 1873 population was only about 350. ::) ]
Lu
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yes thanks Lu, i am just reading how awful the newington asylum was, it just gets sadder.
yes i go look there
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen
I've now got the funeral notices for Violet and Sidney.
They had 3 daughters and 4 grandchildren.
Two of the girls predeceased their father (1980) but I suspect they (girls) were born after 1929, as their deaths aren't showing on the Death index ?
Will send you the info via PM, shortly.
Meantime will look further for families of the daughters.
Lu
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Hi Karen
A "wee" BREAKTHROUGH ... I think ? .... I hope ! :)
May have found Violet's youngest daughter (and a link to her).
Will PM you the details. Do feel free to share this and the other with Meg (via PM). ;)
Lu
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thanks LU yes please
karen
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Info has already been sent via PM ... did you get it ?
Lu
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Hi Lu and Karen,
Glad someone had some success. Nothing in Tasmania for the Robinsons at all. Did pick this up
in Victoria.
ROBINSON, Giles Escott.
Event
Gazetted
25 Apr 1865
Place:
Raspberry Creek, Victoria
Source:
Government gazette.
Directories. There were several just before and between 1931 and 1936 but no sign of any of the familes.
Thelma Myles married Thomas Allan Kirkpatrick in 1936 no. 3362 and Myles Bernard married in 1942 no. 8982 which is the last year of the indexes for Victorian marriage.
I looked in the Sth Australian deaths for Myles Murdoch but again nothing.
It looks like the Robson marriage is in NZ because it didn't come up in Victoria.
Victorian deaths at sea go to 1920. But they are all probably included in the from 1921 death Index
I also looked in Melbourne General Cemetery where Murdoch and Christy are buried but the only Myles in 1928 is Lachlan Campbell McInnes's son Myles McInnes.
I ran out of time and options. :'(
Rosanne came up with Donald McInnes and Margaret Anderson's daughter Mary born 3.11.1825 being at Young and she said there was another one of their children there as well. So far I don't know of any connection to this family but they did have their children in Strath parish on Skye like Christy's family.
Would think Young was a pretty small place so there might be a connection.
Meg
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Hi Meg (and Karen)
I know that feeling too, when you "chip" away for hours and seemingly come up with nothing.
But hey ... I can see all the effort you've put in - you've done a great job ... REALLY ! :) :)
That's interesting about the ROBSON marriage ... I've triple-checked, and it's definitely not on the NZ index.
[Hmm ... getting the feeling that Giles Escott R. might have been a bit of a "colourful" character ? ]
Lu
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Hi Lu and Karen,
I found Blanche Madeline registered in Albury NSW (a long way from Tasmania) in 1878 so she was 22 when she married in NZ in 1900. She is registered as Madeline.
It seems the family was moving between Beechworth in Victoria and somewhere near Albury as this is the registration district.
According to other research which I have checked, where I can, against the Victorian BDMs
Robert McCAMEY b.c 20 Feb 1815 m Mary Jane JACKSON in Tyrone.
Robert was a landholder at Killyneery, Parish of Carnteel, Tyrone
in Griffiths Evaluation. (Between Ballygawley and Aughnacloy)
They had Madeline McCAMEY b.c1845 d.2 April 1882 Sandridge, Victoria, Australia
(Migrated to Victoria, Australia 1864)
m 8 Oct 1868 (Vic.) Giles Escott ROBINSON
It is a bit hard to work out so I hope it makes sense
Robert Henry Giles born Beechworth 1869
Eliza Mary Jane 1871 Beechworth
Giles Escott died Beechworth aged 1 year in 1874 listed as born NSW
NSW (all registered at Albury)
Giles Escott McC born 1873 (has to be the one who died at Beechworth)
Giles R born 1874
Giles E born 1876
Madeline born 1878
Deaths NSW
John 1877
Robert H G 1874
So Madeline the mother died when daughter Madeline was 4.
Giles was born in Reading according to the marriage index married his brother Henry Giles Robinson's widow Julia Ellen Bushell (var spellings) in 1885 in QLD. She had married Henry in 1863 in Victoria (index says Bathgate).
They had a few children at Beechworth. Henry Edward seems to be their last in 1872
Hope this helps to fill in some gaps. :)
Meg.
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Hi Meg (and Karen)
That's interesting about the ROBSON marriage ... I've triple-checked, and it's definitely not on the NZ index.
[Hmm ... getting the feeling that Giles Escott R. might have been a bit of a "colourful" character ? ]
Hi Lu,
Probably was as he seems to have had shares in a gold mine and he came up in the 1894 QLD Police Gazette? as well as the one you found but it is Sidney Clarence Emerald? Robson who married Violet Irene. Perhaps they married in another Australian State.
Meg
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hi lu, violets daughter told me she was his sec marriage and they all live together with blanche,left oz in 1944.
so she would of being born in oz too. joan was to his first wife child.and she lived with sidney mother in sydney.
i have ask for the randwick file,so hope theres more to go on with from that.
i kinda agree with you on giles
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
EXCELLENT work Meg ! :)
Ah yes ... I see Violet's marriage now ... on NSW index :
1925 - ROBSON - Sydney CE - Violet I. MacINNIS / McINNIS
So ... (Blanche) Madeline registered in Albury (and Beechworth is just across the border in VIC. Yep, I know the territory, I've got some of my Kiwi-Oz family living there).
I guess as her Mum died when she was so young, poor Blanche Madeline was probably not quite sure where she came from ? Wonder if she made the move to QLD when her father re-married ? Perhaps that is where she met Miles Murdoch (if he'd gone there with brother Godfrey ? ).
Very interesting info Meg. I'm sure it will be well received by the newly-found daughter of Violet. Well done. :)
Lu
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Hi Karen
Aah ... that sorts out the "mystery" about Joan and why I couldn't find her in NZ. (Yes, looks like Sidney's first marriage was 1919 ?) Great ! :)
Fingers crossed that the Randwick file will offer up some vital clues. (We can't stop now ... can we ?) :D
Lu
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Hi Lu,
Well done in trying NSW and it is at Randwick too.
Meg
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Hi Karen and Lu,
The marriage entry at St Mary's Church Young is pretty well unreadable and there is no date on it at all, but it does have parents' names and they are Murdoch McInnes and and Christina Mc something (will be McInnes). He was 25 and she 19 both of Young but their occupation was not readable for either.
Maria's parents match the death certificate but Teresa and Ellen are pretty well unreadable also.
The Minister was O'Neil (didn't ask how to spell it) but the lady could only read it on other marriage entries.
She said no point copying it as it was all virtually unreadable.
Welcome to the very, very large McInnes family Karen. ;D
Meg.
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Yippee!! i told you where gona have a great day.
well done Meg,thanks i am over the moon !!!
where did poor john end up hmmm
wander if the church have anything on them in balranald
this is really neat.
thanks
karen
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hi LU,Meg,
emily McInnes was born 1871 and died 1872
so they wont of being in balranald till 1872-1877
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
Good work Meg, with those follow ups at Young. :)
where did poor john end up hmmm
Hey that's a good question Karen. ;) :D (Just joking).
I'm really, really, hoping that the Randwick file will give the answer to that. It should ideally, give the reason why the children were being admitted ...e.g. mother ill - father unable to care for them .... or father deceased ... or whatever.
Lu
PS Karen : I'm guessing there were no further clues about Miles Murdoch (from Violet's daughter) ?? ;)
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Hi Karen and Lu,
The still missing, like his father John, Myles Murdoch McInnes was registered as born in Balranald in 1875 so really they moved between 1872 and 1875. But of course if Maria, with her mother dying in 1871 at Young, might have stayed behind for a year or so especially if Emily was sickly. John might have moved earlier to set up for his family. There is a four-year gap between Emily and Myles which supports that could have happened.
Meg
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Hi Kren and Lu,
Some times I really do find things.
I am going out but thought I that I had better post this from a 15 August 2002 email.
Hi Lee,
Thank you for the information.
Well, I did it. I rang.
BRAVE WOMAN - "CAUSE OF DEATH - CARDIAC ARREST FROM A TELEPHONE CALL FROM XXXX"
She is old, from Sydney so probably born there. There was a Alice who wrote to her several months ago about a McInnes connection but she didn't bother to answer so if anyone else tells you that it might be good to get details on Alice.
OKAY NOTED
OK what I got was she thought her dead husband's father was Lachlan.
Later after much talk she went and got her marriage certificate and it was Myles Murdoch and he seems to have had a third given name and it could be Laclan but she said it was too hard to read (the first two were clear but whoever wrote it was running out of space so he squashed the third name up). He was a Linotyper. Her husband was known as Mac as he hated Myles (the elder sisters had a pet name for him but he never let her know that - must have been bad!). He was born in NZ in Dunedin (which we knew). She said he was an "after thought". He had a sister 18 years older and another 12 years older.
The family came to Sydney from NZ when Mac was about 3. They were there for six years and his father died there (number 313, 1928; Father Bernard). They moved to Melbourne. Mac was in the war and she remembered when he came home from the Middle East and the Islands he said he dropped in to see his uncle in Qld (no name).
She said she had other things on her mind at the time but he had no family around at all. After the war the husband of the surviving sister was called back to NZ so his mother (Blanch) went with them.
(She said her name on the marriage certificate was Blanch Madeline.)
She also said that she thought that there was a Balranald (NSW) connection somewhere with the family but Mac certainly was not aware of any cousins/relations he had anywhere except the uncle. She also commented on the unusual Spelling of Myles (always with a "y").
I did a search for anyone with a father of Bernard in NSW births but got nothing. Dunedin is a very Scottish place in NZ.
I didn't like to ask for the names of the sisters. She said they were both long dead. She is very clear but I guess there really is no information about the McInneses in the family to get.
Don't suppose you can find out where the "Bernard" came from in your family?" ;D
Talk to you both later
Meg
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Hi Girls
WELL DONE MEG !!! Beaut information ! :) :)
[How on earth could we have all looked for a Myles MCINNES death (all over OZ) ... and missed that 1928 one ?? :-[
Mind ... we weren't expecting the father's name to show as "Bernard" ! :D ]
Some times I really do find things.
YEP ... you sure did come up trumps Meg ! :)
Lu
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hi girls,
i got letter back from Marjorie and she rack her brains over the weekend and only could remember hearing her grandfather dieing about 1915 but couldnt say where in sydney or mel bourne dunedin.
well done Meg, it all fits :-)
i wander where this Alice fits in?
thanks
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Hi Karen and Lu,
Yes, it does make sense and the name Bernard in Lee's family and the Romsey bit. So we know for certain that John's children had contact with Lachlan Campbell McInnes's family because they added Bernard in their names and some of their uncles and aunts because of the Romsey bit. (I tried to take a photo of the photo of Sarah as the book is out of print but it didn't really come out so I need to get a good copy of it somehow.) ???
So Myles Murdoch Lachlan McInnes got his wife's father's name as his father and Betty's son thought the mother had died when his father was a school boy but it was his father. Glad we are not researching Smith ;)
That entry says Myles M.; should have realized.
Alice well, I guess Betty thought I was Alice ringing to what had happened to her letter and that is why she mentioned it.
If Alice is on the right track there is some else out there looking for your family Karen.
Meg.
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hi Meg,
so bernard is on both sides, cause bernard was maria myles mothers father was bernard quinn died in young in 1849.
thanks
karen
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Hi Karen and Meg
Well ... there's only the death of John McINNES to find now.
Is that right ? :D
Hmmm ... inclined to go with Karen, on the "Bernard" name coming from the QUINN side of the family ? :D
Lu
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Hi Karen and Lu,
Yes it must come from the Quinn line. But the fact that one of the other McInnes children used it suggests, to me, that they had had contact with Lachlan Campbell McInnes.
Hey John used the name Godfrey from that family in naming one son so them using Bernard makes sense.
As you said Lu now to find John's death.
If nothing comes out of the Randwick home it might be worth getting a transcript of Myles Murdoch's death certificate just to see if there is any information that can be used.
Meg.
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on john mcinnes
think the answers lie in balranald somewhere.
i dont think we would find anything on myles m death as he hasnt even put down his mother and has his father down as bernard, think i better trying godfreys death seeing he was older brother.
great going tho.
karen
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Hi Karen,
I sincerely hope Myles didn't fill out his own death certificate. Good point about the mother's name missing. Blanche probably gave the information anyway. I just thought being in Sydney there might have been relatives around or he might have been buried with family members and if we had the date we might be able to look for notices in the newspapers or other graves.
Still think wait and see if there is any information in the home records.
It is possible that Ernest had a third name and used that and this is why we can't find him. :'(
Meg.
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So Myles Murdoch Lachlan McInnes got his wife's father's name
OK what I got was she thought her dead husband's father was Lachlan.
Later after much talk she went and got her marriage certificate and it was Myles Murdoch and he seems to have had a third given name and it could be Laclan but she said it was too hard to read (the first two were clear but whoever wrote it was running out of space so he squashed the third name up).
Hi Karen and Meg
Sorry :D ;) ... but I have to disagree with this new theory, that Myles Murdoch McINNES had a third christian name.
If he did, then he never used it. It's not recorded at his birth, nor on his NZ marriage record or the births of his children in NZ . Neither does a third name appear for him in directory listings (NZ) ... and (if that's his death in 1928 - NSW) then again ... he's just plain Myles M. ;)
The only place "Lachlan" crops up, is on his son's marriage cert. (but then that is also doubtful, because the name is difficult to decipher).
It is possible that Ernest had a third name and used that and this is why we can't find him. :'(
Yes ... anything's possible, but I am still more inclined to think that Ernest was adopted out when he was a very small babe (and was given a new identity). He was born sometime between the last quarter of 1876 and July 1877, when his older siblings were placed at Randwick. That institution quite probably did not accept very young children, hence Myles and Ernest were separated from their siblings.
Lu
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hi girls,
i found ernest in the anc---- living in victoria from 1914-1936
a death for a ernest in 1951 and another in 1968 in vic.
there is also one for a ernest john mcinnes in QLD capricrnia in 1936.
can anyone check these out.
i keep thinking maybe he died with his father in some horrified accident in balranald.
karen
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Hi Karen
WOW !
So ... is his full name (Ernest Nerney McINNES) given on these records ?
Lu
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sadly no just Ernest McInnes , just hopeful one of them could be him.
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Hi Karen
Pity eh ?
But can rule out the 1951 - Ernest McINNES - death.
(Presume this is the one registered at Corryong ?)
1951 - Ernest McINNES
s/o Alexander McINNES and Eizabeth HAMILTON
[This info was found by Meg :) when we were checking out the "Ernest McINNES" WW1 enlistments - see earlier post (somewhere in this VERY long thread :D )
Lu
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Hmmm .... the 1968 VIC death might be the son of this 1951 Ernest ?
Has it, (1968) got a Wangaratta rego ?
Lu
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hi, just had a reply from Marjorie.
quote = I cant see why my grandfather would have used a different name. I recall they were quite prominent citizens and he left enough money so the family did not have to worry when he died. Thus my mother staying hme and looking after the family. But, who knows????
Yes, the email you received tied up with what i told you, and I do recall his preference for being called Mac. My mother used to call him Mylie.
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Hi Karen :)
Just reading back through all these snippets of information, (and considering the possibility that Ernest was adopted), I get a sense that Myles Murdoch may have been put in the care of another member of the McINNES family (and was raised by them) ?
* Were there other McINNES's from Balranald (who are part of this family) ? (Where does "Lachlan Campbell McINNES fit in the picture ?)
Myles Murdoch has retained his birthname - seems he knows who his own parents were - even if he had been separated from them ? (I'm presuming he had their names correctly on his NZ marriage cert. ?)
"Roll out those records from Randwick" ! (Just hope there will be some dates and other clues). ;)
Lu
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YES lu, MEG Has that enfo on Lachan McInnes.
and yes on the myles murdoch, has the right parents john and maria quinn,so he did know that much.
yes i understand you when you say reading back on snippets. my note book is getting rather full!
karen
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Hi Karen and Lu,
He probably had Lachlan as a third name because that side of the family (where the Myles name originally came from) being Christy McInnes's side can usually be "found" by the name Lachlan.
I have just, after many years of searching, found Margaret Eliza McInnes in the US. She married Edwin Levi Crowell and vanished from Victoria in about 1867 with her family. Her son Myles born in 1858 became Godfrey Myles. There was no sign of the name Godfrey until he got to the US but there he is on the 1870 census listed as Godfrey Myles Crowell.
Lachlan Campbell McInnes and his sister Margaret Eliza McInnes came with John (who we are looking for) and his parents (Murdoch McInnes and Christy McInnes) on the Marco Polo. They were first cousins of John. Another uncle and aunt and family being Donald McInnes brother of Christy McInnes were also on the Marco Polo.
Myles father of LCM and Margaret Eliza had re-married and the two eldest children of his first marriage emigrated with family members. The two younger sons that stayed on Skye were Godfrey who came to Sth Aus later and died there in 1912 and John Miles McInnes who ended up in Cornwall.
LCM fell down the railway cutting at Nth Melbourne in 1876 and was killed. :'( They did a public subscription, via newspaper, for the widow (Margaret) and his young family.
When one of the children died or married the father's name was given as Godfrey not LCM. Lee and I think that the uncle Godfrey came from Sth Aus to help out when his bother was killed. (Godfrey never married.) The eldest son Alexander of LCM and the money they got from the public kept the family together in this case. (This is Lee's line.)
To add to the confusion Sarah Ann McInnes dau. of Murdoch and Christy born 1855 Melbourne married Lachlan Campbell and they lived at Romsey at Glenbride Park. They were very, very well off (had servants). Murdoch and Christy lived in Melbourne city for the entire time and were very well off.
Meg.
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hi, got a file from the Benevolent asylum saying=
Admitted
Ernest J McInnes 15th may released 10 june 1877
Maria 15th may 10 june
Ellen christina 15 may 16 july sent to randwick asylum
Godfrey Bernard 15 may 16 july
Andrew john 15 may 16 july
where did Myles Murdoch go over this time,has he gone to live with his grandfather Bernard Quinn.
still waiting on the file for Godfrey in randwick to come back.
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Hi Karen
Ooops ... still haven't answered your last PM ... will do shortly.
Need to read through this thread again too to refresh my memory. ;)
Lu
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hi, got a file from the Benevolent asylum saying=
Admitted
Ernest J McInnes 15th may released 10 june 1877
Maria 15th may 10 june
Ellen christina 15 may 16 july sent to randwick asylum
Godfrey Bernard 15 may 16 july
Andrew john 15 may 16 july
where did Myles Murdoch go over this time,has he gone to live with his grandfather Bernard Quinn.
still waiting on the file for Godfrey in randwick to come back.
Hi Karen
That's interesting ... where it says that Ernest J. "was released 10 June 1877" (just 9 days before he died) ??
I wonder if that means that he was transferred to another institution ?
Also ... strange that Myles Murdoch isn't mentioned ... as it seems the McINNES'es were admitted as a family group. ?
I would guess that Ernest being just a small babe, was probably keep with his mother .... but Myles was only about 2 years of age, and he probably was too young to be admitted with the others, to Randwick. ?
* Do you know where Bernard QUINN was living in 1877 ? (I guess it's a bit difficult to find that info ? ) * Where and what year, did he remarry ?
Lu
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hi Lu, yes he must of being close as he and his 2nd wife are buried in the catholic cemetery at rockwood,sydney.
Bernard Quinn Died 1900 m 1874 Anne theresa Byrnes died 1897
yes myles could of being taken to another asylum being what just over 1yr.
hmm if he was adopted or fostered they would of changed his name which he didnt.
thanks
karen
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note he Bernard has buried his 2nd wife before Maria has died 1899 all at the same cemetery.
weather he has come to be close by to his daughter,dont know
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Hi Karen
Pity eh ?
But can rule out the 1951 - Ernest McINNES - death.
(Presume this is the one registered at Corryong ?)
1951 - Ernest McINNES
s/o Alexander McINNES and Eizabeth HAMILTON
[This info was found by Meg :) when we were checking out the "Ernest McINNES" WW1 enlistments - see earlier post (somewhere in this VERY long thread :D )
Lu
Hi Lucy
i would be interested in any info about the above person as he is a relative, his parents names were alexander mcinnes and eliza hamilton, thanks Nikki
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Hi Nikki
... welcome to RootsChat. :)
The "Ernest McINNES - parents Alexander McINNES / Elizabeth (Eliza ?) HAMILTON" was a name which was checked out whilst we were searching in this thread, for another Ernest McINNES. So, sorry to say, I don't have any additional information I can give you.
I would suggest though, that you post a query to the RootsChat Australian board ... they will be better able to assist you with OZ records.
Best wishes.
Lu
~ in NZ
PS - Adding some links for you ... see next posting > >
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Hi again Nikki
You might like to view digital copies of Australian War records for two named Ernest McINNES (I think, father and son ? - though I haven't read through these files in great detail so can't confirm.)
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/explore/defence/service-records/index.aspx
Click on >> "WW1" (Australian Army)
>> scroll to "name search"
In search box enter "McINNES" >> then in "refine search" - add the name "Ernest" : (It brings up three records )
cont'd >
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WW1 - Ernest McINNES - b. Wangaratta
aged 40 years and 3 months at time of enlistment 1915.
Next of Kin : (Looks like ? a son named "Donald ... McINNES as 1st entry ? Then sister Mrs Annie KING of Benambra, via Omeo, VIC. Says also this Ernest was divorced from wife).
Also on following WW2 link you can see Ernest McINNES (b. 8 August 1900 at Towong) - Next of Kin: Alexander (father).
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
Good luck ... hope you find what you're looking for. :)
Lu
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Hi Lucy
thanks for the info. i thought i got another member of the family. but it looks like heaps of info for me
regards Nikki
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Looking for a Myles (Miles) McInnes who came over from Australia to New Zealand (possibly to Dunedin) with two younger brothers, John and Malcolm in circa 1861. John went onto Auckland and malcolm ended up in Gisborne area. It is the Myles I am interested in and ask if the Myles McKinnon dies 1929 Andresons Bay cemetery is actually McInnes not McKinnon? as McInnes 1929 death at age 94 mentioned and this would highly likely be our Myles.
I would be very keen if anyone knows anything about this Myles and if married etc... Any help appreciated. Clint McInnes (Posterity)
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. It is the Myles I am interested in and ask if the Myles McKinnon dies 1929 Andresons Bay cemetery is actually McInnes not McKinnon? as McInnes 1929 death at age 94 mentioned and this would highly likely be our Myles.
Hi Clint
... welcome. :)
It seems the cemetery record for a Myles McKINNON burial at Anderson's Bay Cemetery (1929), has now been removed.
I'm guessing this is the replacement record :
MacINNES [sic] - Myles
94 years - died 24 July 1929
Last address: Royal Terrace, Dunedin
Native of Sculimas, Scotland
Years in NZ : 68 (arrival date c. 1861)
[*Note: NZ death index online shows name spelled as "McINNES" ] :
Will look to see what other info is available for this man.
~ Lu
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You wee beaut... This is my long lost great granduncle and what is more you can give me an address. Bless you and may Otago win all its games... Regards Clint McInnes
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Hi Clint
[Yay .... go Otago !! :D ]
Do you think that Myles may have had a family ?
[He is buried alone. ]
Sorry, haven't had time yet to scout around for further info about him.
~ Lu
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I have Myles complete background along with his brothers going back to the 1500 's. Three of the boys . Duncan, Myles and John came out on HMS Hercules to Australia in 1852. Believe Myles was not married or had family (like his younger brother Malcolm who died at Makaraka Gisborne). Duncan the oldest settled who stayed and settled in Australia, and John the youngest and my great grandfather, both had large families. In Johns case 12 children, making up for the other two no doubt... Anyway I would be extremely keen on knowing more about Myles.. I think he may have been part of the Lodge at sometime but cannot guarntee that.
Sculimus for your info is a farm and part of Breakish land just out of Broadford, Strath, Isle of Skye. The four brothers were born there and their parents Donald and Catherine Mcinnes both died of typhus there in circa 1848. The boys then relocated to Lower Breakish with Duncan the oldest looking after John the youngest but working in the South. They were penniless and were assisted to emigrate as part of the Highland Clearances.
If you know of anyone interested on a whole story on this eraly Dunedin settlers background I have it along with other material that puts the whole story into perspective. I have now tracked the whole four down with your help... but would love to piece Myles Dunedin story together but that maybe a hurdle to far......
Any further help appreciated and go the blue and gold (but not green)
Clint
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Hi Karen and all who replied to you!
I have not used Rootschat before and logged on the other day and did a search for McCamey. Imagine my surprise to read your query and everyone else's wonderful replies to your call for help. While I am not able to contribute anything to your Myles McInnes I wanted to say how fantastic it is that many wonderful people helped so much on your query and inadvertantly, helped me know what happened to Blanche Robinson! Blanche's mother Madeline is a sister to my 2 x great grandfather William McCamey. While I knew Madeline's boys had all died young, I did not know what had happened to the two daughters. Blanche's sister Eliza evidently married in NZ also - not sure what the NZ connection is though! Great job! :D
Carolyn
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Hi Carolyn
welcome and hope you can make some more posts or start a new thread on family thatyou may like to know more about or find other researchers
Bye
Althea
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Welcome Carolynn
i have sent you pm on what i know of Blanche.
Karen
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Welcome Carolyn. :)
Aaah, yes ... I well remember this thread from way back in 2009. ;)
Having a giggle now .... and thinking that if this search had commenced today, then with all the new records available online, we'd probably have reached an outcome in a lot less that 14 pages. :D
So pleased you've been able to benefit from some of the info.
~ Lu
PS : Hi to Karen and Meg. :)
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Hi Lu and Karen,
I found Blanche Madeline registered in Albury NSW (a long way from Tasmania) in 1878 so she was 22 when she married in NZ in 1900. She is registered as Madeline.
It seems the family was moving between Beechworth in Victoria and somewhere near Albury as this is the registration district.
According to other research which I have checked, where I can, against the Victorian BDMs
Robert McCAMEY b.c 20 Feb 1815 m Mary Jane JACKSON in Tyrone.
Robert was a landholder at Killyneery, Parish of Carnteel, Tyrone
in Griffiths Evaluation. (Between Ballygawley and Aughnacloy)
They had Madeline McCAMEY b.c1845 d.2 April 1882 Sandridge, Victoria, Australia
(Migrated to Victoria, Australia 1864)
m 8 Oct 1868 (Vic.) Giles Escott ROBINSON
It is a bit hard to work out so I hope it makes sense
Robert Henry Giles born Beechworth 1869
Eliza Mary Jane 1871 Beechworth
Giles Escott died Beechworth aged 1 year in 1874 listed as born NSW
NSW (all registered at Albury)
Giles Escott McC born 1873 (has to be the one who died at Beechworth)
Giles R born 1874
Giles E born 1876
Madeline born 1878
Deaths NSW
John 1877
Robert H G 1874
So Madeline the mother died when daughter Madeline was 4.
Giles was born in Reading according to the marriage index married his brother Henry Giles Robinson's widow Julia Ellen Bushell (var spellings) in 1885 in QLD. She had married Henry in 1863 in Victoria (index says Bathgate).
They had a few children at Beechworth. Henry Edward seems to be their last in 1872
Hope this helps to fill in some gaps. :)
Meg.
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Evening all:
This is my first involvement with RootsChat and am not even sure this is the accepted means of contact with other participants who seem to have interests in a family group I am researching.
My particular interests are with Bathgate / Bushell / Robinson families in the Beechworth, Victoria (Australia) area, around 1855 onwards.
It seems Meg7 / karenoz / Lucy2 may have similar interests/connections (via the 'McCamey' family ?) ?
Would appreciate contact / information exchange / etc.
Many thanks
from Esprit9
- a new boy on the block
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Hi Esprit9,
Welcome to RootsChat and the New Zealand Board,
Yes, this is definitely the accepted means of contacting other family researchers. ;D
While waiting for them to reply to your post you might want to reply to mine. Once you're made three posts you will have access to the Personal Message (PM) facility and will be able to send messages direct to other RootsChatters. To send a PM to another RootsChatter look for the scroll icon below their name on one of their posts. Click on it and the PM text box will open.
Even just a post with a smiley will be enough to activate your PM facility.
Spades
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Hi Lu and Karen,
I found Blanche Madeline registered in Albury NSW (a long way from Tasmania) in 1878 so she was 22 when she married in NZ in 1900. She is registered as Madeline.
It seems the family was moving between Beechworth in Victoria and somewhere near Albury as this is the registration district.
According to other research which I have checked, where I can, against the Victorian BDMs
Robert McCAMEY b.c 20 Feb 1815 m Mary Jane JACKSON in Tyrone.
Robert was a landholder at Killyneery, Parish of Carnteel, Tyrone
in Griffiths Evaluation. (Between Ballygawley and Aughnacloy)
They had Madeline McCAMEY b.c1845 d.2 April 1882 Sandridge, Victoria, Australia
(Migrated to Victoria, Australia 1864)
m 8 Oct 1868 (Vic.) Giles Escott ROBINSON
It is a bit hard to work out so I hope it makes sense
Robert Henry Giles born Beechworth 1869
Eliza Mary Jane 1871 Beechworth
Giles Escott died Beechworth aged 1 year in 1874 listed as born NSW
NSW (all registered at Albury)
Giles Escott McC born 1873 (has to be the one who died at Beechworth)
Giles R born 1874
Giles E born 1876
Madeline born 1878
Deaths NSW
John 1877
Robert H G 1874
So Madeline the mother died when daughter Madeline was 4.
Giles was born in Reading according to the marriage index married his brother Henry Giles Robinson's widow Julia Ellen Bushell (var spellings) in 1885 in QLD. She had married Henry in 1863 in Victoria (index says Bathgate).
They had a few children at Beechworth. Henry Edward seems to be their last in 1872
Hope this helps to fill in some gaps. :)
Meg.
Hello Meg7 : (my first attempt at sending a message - by way of posting a reply, please bear with me)
If this is the way to comment on your post, quoted above, I hope you may be able to assist in matters relating to "Giles Escott ROBINSON".
As it is some time since you , and your correspondents - Lucy2 and karenoz, were interested in this guy I hope you may have time to reconsider details relating to him.
My interest is as a descendant of the individuals you referred to as 'Julia Ellen Bushell' and 'Henry Giles Robinson'.
Hope you may have time to respond.
Many thanks & best wishes for a successful 2012
from esprit9
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Hello Spades
My apologies for not acknowledging your December 2011 response to my first attempt at entering your marvellous system, under the above subject.
My second attempt (January 2012, to Meg7's attention) appears to be the most recent post under the above subject and I am now unsure as to whether I should have tried to let Meg7 know of my interest in this subject by way of PM instead - as her earlier contributions date back over two years ago and she may not be currently concerned with the above subject.
Best wishes for the New Year
esprit9
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You never know if you don't ask!
By all means send a PM if you want to.
Spades
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It seems Meg7 / karenoz / Lucy2 may have similar interests/connections (via the 'McCamey' family ?) ?
Would appreciate contact / information exchange / etc.
Hi esprit9
Just to explain ... I have no personal interest in any of the families mentioned in this thread.
[My "efforts" here are those of a volunteer who has access to, and some knowledge of, New Zealand records. ]
~ Lucy2
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Lucy2: Hello and many thanks for your 16/2/2012 response in the above regard.
Sorry to have troubled you (again) on this one as I have just responded to Karenoz's reply to my original query (with a copy to you, and Meg7) before seeing your message under reply.
Perhaps I could take advantage of your 'NZ access and knowledge' in future research on my wife's family ?
My thanks in advance and best wishes for continuing success in research.
Best regards
Esprit9