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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: SpudW on Wednesday 22 July 09 15:01 BST (UK)
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Be interested to know if anyone is following up this family:
Thomas HAMILTON abt1749 married Marion TUDHOPE or TUTOP 11th April 1774. She was b.abt 1753.
Their children: Andrew b1775, James b1776, Thomas b1778, John b1780, William b1782, Katherine b1785 (all born at Baddom, Douglas parish), AlexanderI b1787, AlexanderII b1791, George, b1794. (all born at Greenfaulds, Lanark)
with particular reference to William (1782) and who he might have married.
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Hi SpudW
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There are a number of trees on this family on Ancestry. One of them shows William as having married a Marion Meikle. Key events:
1.1809 22 Jul Age: 26. Marriage Bann from Marion Meikle Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
2. 1851 Census entry:
William Hamilton 66, Farmer Of 171 Acres Employingle Arable, b. Carnwath, Lanark
Marion Hamilton 58
Jane Hamilton 30
Thomas Hamilton 27
John Hamilton 21
Eliza Hamilton 19
James Reebles 15
James Hamilton 23
Address: Bent Head, Carnwath Lanarkshire
3. Death showing on 27 March 1867 at Benthead, Carnwath
Plenty there for you to be able to verify :)
Monica
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Thank you for the nice welcome, Monica! And also for the information, which confirms what I've heard - the only thing I don't know is how we can be sure that the two William Hamiltons - son of Thomas & Marion, and husband of Marion Meikle - are one and the same, although obviously evidence points that way. Is there anything concrete to prove that?
And thanks also for the 1851 census details, which I had scribbled on a piece of Register House notepaper and went astray a long time ago!
cheers, Stuart
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Hi Stuart
I would imagine the best place for verification would be William's death certificate for confirmation of his parents' names.
Monica
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I know this is an old post, but in case anyone is still interested, I am a great x 5 grandson of Thomas and Marion Hamilton.
My great x 4 grandfather was James b. 1776, married Margaret Steel, great x 3 his son James b. 1813, married Janet Fleming, and great x 2 Andrew born 1866, married Margaret Gray.
I have plenty more information, many BMDs saved from Scotland's People, and a few other records.
What I have never worked out is who either Thomas or Marion's parents were. Many trees on Ancestry go back several generations, but it seems most have just taken the information from one original tree. I think someone possibly confirmed it another way, with records not available online.
Any ideas?
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Just found this post. I too am related to Thomas and Marion Hamilton. I am 4 x great grandaughter. My 2x grandfather was Robert Hamilton brother to your 3x grandfather James. Their parent's were James Hamilton and Margaret Steel. If you would like to exchange information please contact me.
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Has anyone been able to find Baddom on a map? Darned if I can. There may be a variant spelling, but I still can't find anything similar.
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On the copy of the birth certificate for James Hamilton 30/11/1776 (Parent's Thomas Hamilton and Marion Tudhope) the name of the place looks like Bottom and not Baddom. Have searched on old maps, local library etc for Baddom, not found. The librarian checked a very old map for Bottom and found it. It is south of the village of Glespin (Glespin is near Douglas) Bottom or Bottoms is near Gart Law hill and west of Auchandaff Hill. Bottom is on the extreme south of the parish of Douglas on the Duneaton water. I have an ordnance survey map dated 1965 showning North Bottom. On the old map in the library it looked like there was another place on the othere side of the burn/stream also called Bottom.
To see a photo of North Bottom go to www.geograph.org.uk/photo/619454. It is out in the middle of nowhere.
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Thanks for that, mirrin. In fact, in the old John Thomson map:
http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/view/?rsid=74400128&sid=74400129&mid=470&pdesc=Bottom section
it's in the plural, "Bottoms". There are some great feisty place names in old Lanark, but that's not one of the most evocative.
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Thanks I will check it out. :)
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Just came across these posts when googling Greenfaulds.
I am a descendant of Andrew Hamilton (1816-1895) brother of James and Robert and happy to share information on these and earlier generations.
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Hi, I've had contact in the past with descendants of that line. One was through Andrew's son James, and another through his daughter Margaret.
I take it you haven't traced the family back further than Thomas Hamilton and Marion Tudhope or Thomas Steel and Margaret Lambie?
Has anyone seen the Hamilton DNA project website? I contacted Gordon Hamilton, the co-ordinator, it seems so far no one has submitted a tree that includes Thomas and Marion http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/Results.html
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Hello. Add me to your growing list! I'm a descendant of George HAMILTON, brother to your Andrew, James and Robert! Thomas & Marion are my 5x great grandparents. George married Margaret BLACK and around 1850 they moved their family up to Argyllshire and took a farm in the Knapdale area. George & Margaret's daughter, Elizabeth HAMILTON, married John MCMILLAN, native to that area. My family lived in that area until we immigrated to Canada in 1967.
Among my notes, this one from my father, it mentions that a son of Andrew HAMILTON (s/o Thomas & Marion) and Agnes STEPHENS, named John HAMILTON, also took land in Argyllshire, but after a while moved on to Brucehaven, Limekilns, Fife, where descendants still live today. Also, John MCMILLAN's wife was Catherine HAMILTON, his cousin, daughter of my ancestor, George HAMILTON (s/o Thomas & Marion). Does that sound right ... or make any sense?
Mary
in Canada
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Hi Folks,
Firstly to Scott - no earlier ancestors but have been trying to 'tidy up' my info on the various branches and will be in touch soon.
Secondly to Mary, welcome. In your line I have birth/marriage/death dates for Catherine, Margaret, Elizabeth and birth/death dates for John and George who never married. At present have no info on Thomas born 1822 or Marion born 1825. A correction to your notes - Catherine married John Hamilton, her first cousin (daughter of John Hamilton/Janet Alexander) who later farmed at Brucehaven. Andrew Hamilton married Marion Weir, so I'm not sure about Agnes Stephens or where she might come in.
I'd be interested to know why George/Margaret Black and family relocated to Argyllshire from Carnwath as it must have been a huge undertaking in the mis-1800s.
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Welcome Mary. I wonder if anyone has done anymore research on Baddom and Greenfaulds. Please refer to my previous posting on whether or not this is an area called Bottom.
Mirrin
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Hi Aberheart, Mirrin and everyone,
Well, I guess the part about Catherine HAMILTON marrying her first cousin, John HAMILTON is correct ... as well as the Brucehaven bit! I'm not surprised at the mix up. We often think of trying to sort out our HAMILTONs of Lesmahagow etc. but get bogged down with the shear numbers of similarly named HAMILTONs all in the same area. (Much like my MCGREGORs in Balquhidder!) Happy to hear corrections.
At the time my father gave me these HAMILTON notes, I think he had been taking a stab at connecting our HAMILTONs in Argyll to the Woolford HAMILTONs. It's actually my mother who is the HAMILTON descendant. She knows a fair bit, but my father is the family tree aficionado. Also, Dad's own father worked closely with George HAMILTON (the never married son of George HAMILTON & Margaret BLACK) and was actually the person assigned to deal with George's will when he died. (I have this paper and it took 20 years to wind up, due to far flung nieces and nephews etc.) George HAMILTON (the younger) was an excellent farmer with an eye for good ground and was an expert at breeding good stock (sheep) too. My father, now 82 years old, an only child of a widowed shepherd, worked along with his father at several farms. Stock sales were a big deal in those days (1930s/40s) and men met their friends and relatives there often. My grandfather always made a point of saying "hello" to Matthew HAMILTON of Woolfords as his late employer, the younger George HAMILTON, referred to Matthew as his 'cousin'. At that time, Matthew was probably in his 70s and was then still regarded as "one of the best black face sheep breeders of his time". Dad didn't find the connection, but assumes the HAMILTONs of Woolfords (they may be there yet ... a descendant was there 10 years ago) descend from Thomas & Marion as well.
Why go to Argyllshire? Well, things were happening in the middle part of the 1800s. There was religious upheaval, highland clearances, potato famine in Ireland, but most of all land reform. As I understand it, all these present day highland farms (like Tiretigan, Crear etc. where HAMILTONs were) were villages of tiny crofting houses until maybe the 1840s when land owners decided they would make more money if they rented the property out as one big farm. The coastal land was rich and warmed by the sea breezes, and it was pretty much wide open unlike crowded lowland farming country. What really changed things was 'security of tenure' that came in. That meant that it was very difficult for a tenant farmer to be put off the land by the landlord, so they were now taking next to no risk in setting up farming in Argyll. The daughters married locally. Elizabeth married my 3x great grandfather, John MCMILLAN, and Margaret married Thomas JOHNSTON. I know quit a bit about the JOHNSTONs as both my parents knew and/or worked with many of them.
Part of my father's note hints that Thomas HAMILTON (who married Marion TUDHOPE) may be the son of James HAMILTON & Elizabeth MCGHIE. Any thoughts on that??
Mary
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Hi Mirrin et al,
Pretty sure both Bottom (Baddom etc) and Greenfaulds (often Todlaw or Toadlaw) are both farms.
Bottom is in the southwest corner of Douglas parish almost on the border with Crawfordjohn and very close to Ayrshire.
Greenfaulds is in Lesmahagow parish southwest of Lesmahagow town. I found them both on the 1820 Thomson maps of Lanarkshire but North Bottom is on the OS map ref NS 752232 while Todlaw is NS 779356. Looking at the terrain I would imagine both are primarily upland sheep/beef farms.
Todlaw also refers to the hill nearby and I would guess might translate as hill of the fox.