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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: jonjam on Wednesday 22 July 09 11:55 BST (UK)
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looking for information on the stuholme family name. any help would be appreciated
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There is no Studholme/Stuholme on the 1851 census.
Could you give some information about what you are looking for and the connection to Dumfries, please?
Jamjar
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hi jonjam :)
welcome to rootschat
there is a john studholm & family living in minnigaff village in 1881 census
nothing else showing in south of scotland
ev
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thank you for reply but i think he lived in the lockerbie region.a place called dryfe bridge.he passed away in 1935
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Have you checked the census' and on ScotlandsPeople? http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Do you not have any information on the person you are looking for. You have mentioned a 'him'. Does he have a name? The slightest information often helps. ;)
Jamjar
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Hi jonjam, is this your Studholme family?
from the 1901 census
John Studholme
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 820
Registration district: Dryfesdale
Civil parish: Dryfesdale
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Dryfe Bridge
Occupation: Wood Turner Bobbin
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1901_428
Household Members:
Name Age
John Studholme 37
Mary Studholme 38
Mary Studholme 9
Annie Studholme 7
Arthur Studholme 5
James Studholme 4
Charlie Studholme 1
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hi wul :)
john studholm age 38 on 1881 census was a bobbin turner also
born england
ev
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Ev,
Is there a family with John on the 1881 census?
Jamjar
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I'm guessing this is related on the '71 census
STUDHOLME John a widow at 55 year. Bobbin Turner born Westmorland - Hugil
Elizabeth Daughter 32years born Lancashire - Satterthwaite
Sarah J Grandaughter 9 years born Westmorland - Staveley
BEETHAM Elizabeth a Lodger 20 years Westmorland
I can't find them on the '61.
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Jamjar
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hi jamjar :)
minnigaff village kircudbright(?) scotland 1881
john studholm 38 bobbin turner b. england
elizabeth studholm 41 b. penninghame wigtown scotland
ann studholm 5 b. minnigaff kirkcudbright scotland
john studholm 2 b. minnigaff kirkcudbright scotland
ev
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Hi Ev,
Too many John's for me to follow now.
If Wul's is the correct family then John should be on a '71 census somewhere, aged about 7. In '81 he'd be about 17 and should be married by the '91.
Have I got that correct?
Umm, so who's his pappa?
Jamjar
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john studholme died 1936 dryfesdale dumfries born c1864 on scotlandspeople
also
john studholme died 1895 minnigaff kirkcudbright born c1842
ev
ps looks like son john studholme(1881 census) died 1882 minnigaff kirkcudbright
born c1878(SP)
there are only 6 john studholme's deaths recorded in scotland 1855 - 2006
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Wonder if the Sarah on the '71 is the sister of the John who died in 1936?
And if so, where was he?
Jamjar
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or related anyway ?
1881 grassgarth hugill westmoreland england
william studholme 39 bobbin turner b. cunsey lancashire
sarah a studholme 43 staveley westmorland
john studholme 17 bobbin turner b. staveley
william studholme 13 b. staveley
james studholme 11 b. hugill westmoreland
charles studholme 7 b. hugill
mary e studholme 2 b. hugill
ev
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There he be! ;D
Now I can sleep better, but not soundly, as now his sister Sarah is missing. :-\
Jamjar
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Think I have found her: Elizabeth WELLS Head aged 50 Cumberland, England an annuitant
Sarah Jane STUDHOLME aged 20 Aikton, Cumberland, England a servant
Jamjar
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william studholme marriage sarah ann rigg 4th quarter(dec.) 1861 kendal is a
possible(freeBMD)
there is a robert h rigg age 4 nephew born hugill with the family in 1881
ev
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Yes it is, a good find.
Will be funny if jonjam has all of this information.
It has been fun finding it all the same. ;D
Jamjar
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Hi ev and jamjar
Do you two ever sleep? ;)
Well done, all we need is jonjam to let us know!
Wul
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Hi Wul,
I'm in Australia, so am sleeping when you're not. ;)
Yes, where is jonjam?
Jamjar
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hello jamjar and wul.thanks for the info. ihaven't been on for a while.the john studholme who died at dryfebridge was actually my grandfather and was born at staveley ,westmorland.i lived at dryfebridge but moved to bradford, yorkshire in 1959.where did you get your info from asi am just a beginner aged 84 and all help will be appreciated.
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hi jamjar and wul,its jonjam again.i have been sifting through all your information and would like to tell you how well you have done.john studholme was my grandfather and his father and mother were william and sarah. you also got the names of the rest of the family i.e his brothers and sisters.to show how green i am at this game this is where i got stuck as i was trying to find out when he got married and moved to dryfebridge or if he was somewhere else before dryfebridge.any ideas how i might do this. i intend to keep trying. once again i must thank you for all your hard work.i should explain that i am trying to work out a family tree for my family but i am discovering it is not all that easy.
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Umm, jonjam are we related in some way? ;)
Couldn't have done it without ev, as well. ;) ;)
Could you tell me your grandmother's maiden name, please? It will help with the search of the marriage.
Here are sites I used: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
There are quite a few Studholme listed on Scotlandspeople. It is free to search, but you need to pay to view.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Jamjar
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hello jamjar,jonjam here .my grand mother's first names were mary elizabeth but i dont know her maiden surname and i cant find a record of the marriage or when my grandfather moved to scotland.i have tried a number of sites but none will give marriage records unless i pay so i might have to try that.my problem is whether he went straight to dryfebridge or if he may have gone to cumberland first for a time.i'll keep going and if i make any headway i'll let you know.
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Hi Jonjam,
I have found a possible marriage in Kendal:
December quarter 1893
Mary Elizabeth Knowles 10b 1124
John Studholme 10b 1124
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Jamjar
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Good new for you Jonjam
I have the marriage, confirmed by birth of their son Charles.
Marriage is the one in Kendal. ;D
Charles was born on 5.11.1899.
I have the document from ScotlandsPeople for you.
When you can, send me a personal message with your email address and I'll send you the document. Don't post your email address here.
Off to look for a birth, not in Dumfries, to try to get you a timeframe for when the came to Scotlan.
Jamjar
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The first two children were born in England, as stated on the 1901 census. Mary and Annie.
A surprise was to find another birth in 1906. Elizabeth Agnes was born to John and Mary, August 31 1906.
I have this document and a copy of the 1901 census page for you. John isn't on it, as he's on the page before the rest of the family. I didn't purchase that page.
Jamjar
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Elizabeth Agnes married Ivan David Cook Scott in 1926
The Annie on the 1901 census is Sarah Annie and she died at the age of 12, Dumfries in 1906. It looks like her birth on FreeBDM - Sarah Annie at Kendal - December quarter 1893
Mother - Mary Elizabeth nee Knowles died in Dryfesdale aged 56 in 1919
You may know who this is: Elizabeth Studholme, other name McKendry aged 81, died in Bargrennan/ Kirkcudbright, in 1921.
I have daughter Mary's marriage document for you.
I can't see her birth on FreeBDM.
Jamjar
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Umm, just realised that John and Elizabeth were married in December quarter 1893 and that is the same as Sarah Annie's birth.
Also, that means it is highly likely that Mary isn't John's daughter. I have found a birth for a Mary Knowles, in Kendal, in June quarter 1891.
Have Mary's death document for you. She died in 1933 in Applegarth. Her age at death confirms her birth as being in 1891.
So, we have John and Elizabeth in England at the end of 1894 and then a birth in Dumfries in 1895.
Jamjar
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Children of John and Mary:
Mary born 1891 - John's? born England
Sarah Annie 1893 " "
Arthur William 1895 born Dryfesdale
John James 1897 " "
Charles 1899 " "
Elizabeth Agnes 1906 " "
Jamjar
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HI jonjam,
Have just found your birth, unintentionally.
Now I understand your monika. ;)
Some kind Dumfresian, of which there are many, may check for headstones at Dryfesdale cemetery, for you. Photos are always great to include with your records.
Just in case you weren't aware, your grandfather died in 1936 aged 72, in Dryfesdale.
Jamjar
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Hi jonjam, Jamjar and ev
In September I have a weeks holiday so I will go over to Dryfesdale cemetery and look for any Studholme monuments, my gggrandfather Archibald Graham is buried there too but no headstone.
A lot of the headstones have weathered badly due to the graveyards hilltop location as I remember.
Wul
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That would be nice of you, Wul. :D
I've been through there a couple of time and have found my ancestors headstones.
All the names of folk buried there can be found on their office's computer. There was an extremely kind and helpful lady working there, also.
Jamjar
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hi its jonjam again. isee you have been hard at it.to bring a little more light into the picture ihave got info from 1936 as i was 12yrs old and can remember his death and funeral butwas not sutre of the dates until now.under your list of his children only the last four were his children.the other two were not.arthur died approx 1967,j.j. was killed in world war one. charles in 1975, elizabeth in approx 1985(she was my mother).this is about as much as i know but am not sure of the dates so they must be treated as approx.mary elizabeth nee knowles was i think my grandfathers wife(my grandmother).the part i have no ideas about are the years between staveley(where he was born and his last five years at dryfe bridge which are very hazy.jamjar my email address is:- * and i look forward to hearing more from you.i have not been in dryfesdale cemetery fo around 20 years but by what you say it must be in a state now,thank you again, will be in touch if i progress any further.
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Hi to you
I have sent on the documents.
Do you have proof that Sarah Annie - Annie - wasn't their child. I think she may have been as she is named after John's mother.
Jamjar
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Deaths:
1916 James aged 19
1969 Arthur William aged 74
1986 Elizabeth Agnes - Scott - aged 80
No Charles' death in Scotland.
Others who may, or may not be related.
1953 Mary Elizabeth aged 64 Dryfesdale and Tundergarth
1961 Margaret - Matthews - aged 63 Graitney or Gretna
1969 Elizabeth M - Greggan - aged 69 Lockerbie
1969 Stanley aged 52 Gretna
1970 Mason aged 70 Gretna
Jamjar
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Some pics...
The only Studholme names I could find.
Wul
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You're a star Wul. :-*
I've sent them on to Jonjam.
Jamjar
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well done Wul :)
details from CWGC -
private j. studholme 2nd bn. black watch(royal highlanders) age 19
died 22 april 1916 service no. S/11869
son of john studholme of dryfe bridge lockerbie
amara war cemetery
ev
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Thanks Jamjar and ev ;)
I had to reduce the images to 640 x 480 to get below the 500k limitation for posting pictures so if anybody wants the full size images that are 2272 x 1704 and about 900k I will be happy to mail them.
Here is another picture that shows both headstones taken before I found the second!
It is to the the right of the white marble stone on the left, if that makes sense.
Wul
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Lovely, shot, Wul. :D
I've sent it on to Jonjam.
Jamjar
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hi jamjar why would you think we are related in some way,is your surname studholme before marriage if you are a woman.
am really interested to know if we are related
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No, we're not related. I was just joking, as we both have JAM in our chatter names. ;D
Jamjar
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hi jam jar,jon jam here with a questionabout the certificates you sent. one of them i don't unedrstand as there is no mention of anyone i recognise as being in the studholme family or living in the edinburgh region. the one is the one with hamiltons,geikie and slater on it.you mentin a marriage ducumenton 6th august and asked for my email address .was this the one i should have got. the marriage was in kendal you say.will wait to hear from you. i cant get any more info on my site for free so i think i shall have to buy some viewing time as i will soon be trying to trace my dear wife's family.once iget some back ground from her only surviving family as he once tried to find out about them years ago but as he had no computer hedidn't have alot of success.
thanks again .
jonjam
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Hi Jonjam,
Here is my previous reference for the Marriage for John and Mary. You would need to purchase a copy of the certificate:
Hi Jonjam,
I have found a possible marriage in Kendal:
December quarter 1893
Mary Elizabeth Knowles 10b 1124
John Studholme 10b 1124
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Jamjar
I didn't send you anything with an Edinburgh connection, with names of Hamilton, Geikie, or Slater.
I sent: Mary Studholme - Daughter of John and Mary - Marriage
Mary Studholme-Richardson - Daughter of John and Mary - Death
Sarah Annie- Daughter of John and Mary - Death
Charles Studholme - son of John and Mary - Birth
Elizabeth Agnes Studholme - Daughter of John and Mary - Birth
Studholme 1901 Census
So, I sent 6 documents and 3 photographs.
Take care, Jamjar
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hi jamjar, jonjam here.i received the photo'sand only two documentsbut i will have another search for the others.on the headstone with john and other names on it ,they were members of his family.on the piece you have put on your latest aboutthe marriage i think this could be correct as he did marry some one of that name but i am stiill trying to get to the kendal connection and when he moved there.the other names i seem to recall except elizabeth m.- greggan iam almost certain was marriedmary studholme-richardson. elizabeth m.-greggan i am almost sure was married to arthur and is the one onthe black headstone.the other greggan name on it iam sure was her father.charles whom you have no record of his death is the one i know most about as he came to spend his last few years wirh us and died in 1975. you know, this trying to find names of all who have gone before you is not the easiest of tasksand but for the help of you, wul and ev idont know how far i would have progressed.i am considering paying to try and go further as i have to try and find my dear departed wifes side next but at least one of her brothers is still going strong so he willsurely help. thank you all again for your help.
jonjam
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is there anyone else in the studholme you have found from say 1924 onwards
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Im not sure who your question is directed to, but I can say there are other Studholme listed on ScotlandsPeople and I have listed some on this thread, who were in Dumfrieshire.
Search is fee, but you pay to view.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Who are you looking for?
Jamjar
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hello jamjar ,its jonjam, from 1924 the only studholme that was around belonging my grandfathers family was myself and a son of arthurs but i dont knomuch about him after he left school.if i remember correctly he went to live in the edinburgh region and he was never in touch with anyone.yyou see his father and mother split up and she took him with her when she left.none of us know where exactly they went other than edinburgh region.i dont even remember what his first name was so i cant get much help from the any of the sites . i am going away for a break and then i'm going to join a site or so and start again to find him.i might be in the lockerbie area so i might get some help from the records office thereonce again thank you for all your help.
jonjam
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Enjoy your break, Jonjam. ;D
Jamjar