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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: sally harris on Tuesday 21 July 09 12:47 BST (UK)
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Could you please help with dating this one
Sally Harris
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Sally, it's too small to see. You need to make your scans bigger. Please rescan at 300dpi and scan in colour mode, thanks.
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China
Hope this is better.
Sally
Could the picture be cleaned up a little
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What a lovely, charming photo of a world gone by... wintertime, but not too cold.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much that's dateable in the photo. The men are wearing working clothes that probably didn't change much in about 60 years...the only thing is the girl's dress, and most of it isn't visible.
The oldest man looks like he's wearing a style of whiskers that came into vogue in the 1860s and remained popular for quite a while with older men. Because of this and what I can see of the girl's dress, which isn't much, I would hazard a wild guess at about 1880-1890 or so for the photo. Of course you may get other guesses.
Is there anything printed on the back? If there is, could we see a scan please?
Cheers,
China
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china
thanks for your comments-unfortunately the back of the picture is blank-my guess was1858-60
sally
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1858-60 is a very, very narrow window especially with such a generic-looking photo...do you know something about it that we don't?? :o ?? :)
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china.
no i don't know anything but I've been comparing the bearded man with other photographs at a later date and taking into account the ages of his children-reached a conclusion -but have no idea that I'm right
Sally
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Aha...you didn't tell us you knew the subjects...in that case you know far more than we do about this photo... :P
An outdoors photo was a great rarity in that time period and you are fortunate to have this!
Cheers,
C
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china,
unfortunately I'm only guessing -this picture was part of a batch given to me by a cousin in law when she heard I was doing the family tree. All I'm certain of is which side of the family these people belong.
Sally
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would it be possible to clean the picture up a bit.
Many Thanks.
Sally
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Sally, the restorers aren't supposed to clean a photo without being asked, so you should go back to the first post in this thread, and add "restore" or "clean" or some such to the title...
The photo could be about 1860, it's certainly possible...it's just that there's really nothing in the photo to pin it down...
Cheers,
China
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I've been thinking about this one a while...what about the little girl's socks and shoes - they look far too late for 1860s to me. Also, the very relaxed natural poses of all the subjects wouldnt have happened in the 1860s cos of the time they would have had to have stayed rigid still and the fact that people just didnt appear so relaxed...I would also say the quality of the photograph is also far too good for 1860s as well as the fact that it's an outdoor shot which again wasn't really heard of as far as I know much before the 1890s-1900. I thought 'working photos' of working class people only came into vogue (prob due to the expense) after the turn of the century...all that considered I was thinking more along a date of 1890s-1905 or so...
Alison
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The little girl isn't wearing socks and shoes, she's wearing boots which was the norm up to the early 20th century.
Camera exposure time would have been just a second or two by 1860.
I have seen plenty of outdoor shots, even back in the 1850s.
The quality of the photo is perfectly appropriate to 1860.
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As I usually state on my posts I am just a beginner - not an expert - at dating photos and I just offer my opinion along with that disclaimer...usually followed by something like 'wait for one of the experts to have a look'. Given that, I don't think there's any need to be so forceful in negating my comments one by one, line by line.
I gained most of the knowledge I do have from the experts like yourself on here...and I'm sure several times I have read that outdoor shots were very rare in the earlier days of photography. The jury's out on whether the girl is wearing socks or boots - I dont think it's clear enough to see.
Alison
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Here's restored sepia and coloured versions for you, hope you like them.
Sharpie
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As China says there were lots of 1860's outdoor photo's,mainly scenic but in the US there are large numbers from the Civil War,so not that rare.
There are a couple of things that concern me about this being from that decade,the caps a couple of the boys are wearing look more 1880's/90's & the the girl appears to have plaits which again is an 1880's style,1860's/70's girls tended to have long hair swept back or ringlets,so if I had to pick a decade.....1880's.
jim
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My thanks for the restoration. I liked the content of the original.-but the restored pictures both sepia and colour are superb.
sally Harris
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now that the pictures have been so beautifully restored-there seems to be someting written at the bottom right of the picture can anyone help decipher please.
Sally
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Can you do a high-resolution scan of just the area in question, 600 dpi or better...draw a box around it on your scanner and scan just the "writing"...we'd be able to see better...
Cheers,
C
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What a lovely, charming photo of a world gone by... wintertime, but not too cold.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much that's dateable in the photo. The men are wearing working clothes that probably didn't change much in about 60 years...the only thing is the girl's dress, and most of it isn't visible.
The oldest man looks like he's wearing a style of whiskers that came into vogue in the 1860s and remained popular for quite a while with older men. Because of this and what I can see of the girl's dress, which isn't much, I would hazard a wild guess at about 1880-1890 or so for the photo. Of course you may get other guesses.
Is there anything printed on the back? If there is, could we see a scan please?
Cheers,
China
Hi China,
I looked at the picture and thought 1860 before I saw what anyone else had written so I was very pleased to see this post of yours..
I must have learned something, then I spotted what Jim said, and read your post properly! My dad always said 'never change your mind you always make the wrong decision'. ::)
So sorry Jim and China, I am most likely wrong, but sticking to my guns here!
Sally! Are you asking for restores? We have to have your permission to do them you see! It is a lovely picture bye the way!
Rabbit B ;D
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What a lovely evocative photograph!
I am no expert on photo dating but I am trying to gain a bit of knowledge through what I read on here. I can only really guess from a gut feeling, and my gut feeling is that from the appearance of the 4 little boys it's later than the 1860s.
Maggie
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::) :)
I still think it's 1880s, but 1860s isn't impossible. Nothing you can really pin down....I dare say it won't be before 1860 though, unless it's a reprint, because printing onto paper didn't happen before 1860. Either way, it's a lovely photo.
Cheers,
China
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would it be possible to clean the picture up a bit.
Many Thanks.
Sally
I'm sorry if I have offended anyone by misunderstanding the above and posting a restore when I should not have.
Sharpie
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Hi Sharpie,
You have better eyes than I have, I didn't spot that bit! [We have to stick to the 'rools' which is why I asked].
Goody, now we can do a restore, but perhaps Sally would be kind enough to change the title, so that its it OK to do!
Rabbit B ;D
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when I was given this picture it was suggested it was Ivy Cottage in Bucklebury.
Now that it has been restored It is obvious that something is written on it.
Sally
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Sally, this is even smaller. Please scan big. 800 dpi.
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china,
I think I'll have to give up on this one scanning at 600dpi just made it worse the next scan level I've got is 1200 and my computer wasn't happy with the idea.
Many thanks to everyone for their help and ideas
Sally Harris
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You don't have to scan the whole thing at high resolution. Just start the scanner, place your cursor over the bottom right corner of the photo, hold down the left mouse button and drag until you have a box drawn around the area you want to scan. The scanner will just do what's inside that box. Then post the scan...it should work...
Cheers,
C
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here goes then china 1200dpi.
Hope someone can read it.
Sally Harris
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T J 1898 ?
jim
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I think I can see BARN at the right of the script, or at least ARN.
Maggie
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Hi Sally
Well sorry to have taken so long but here is my contrubution
Rabbit B ;D
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and if this sepia one is too big I will have to redo it tomorrow, Very strange it was too small so I have change it.
Rabbit B ;D
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A bit late to this one, but I hadn't noticed it until now :)
I honestly would not put the photo in the 1860s, the little girl's outfit is more circa 1900 to me. It would be quite unusual and probably expensive to have had an outdoor portrait taken as far back as 1860, although the type and quality of photo would have been possible.
My best guesstimate (having seen many, many similar ones) is 1900 plus or minus 5 years or so.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Prue
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You're not the only one who is late, Prue...
This photo screams early Edwardian to me. It's the whole feel of the scene, the pose, the clothes...the whole darned lot.
It's beautiful.
Rabbit, I takes me 'at off to you. The black and white is a triumph and the sepia is lovely.
I had a play with the bit at the bottom...don't know if this helps
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Hi Prue and Paula,
I have to chip in here because I have had a good look at this picture and I do agree with the Edwardian look. The well and bucket do it for me. Too modern to be earlier than 1900's. When did they start making galvanised buckets I wonder?
We still had one like that when we moved to the house next door in the 50's + an identical picket fence.
Rabbit B ;D
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It's another example of the past as the 'experts' say it never was....
We seem to be turning up a lot of proof with family photos, that it was after all.
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. When did they start making galvanised buckets I wonder?
1840s I think. The process was invented in 1837...
C
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. When did they start making galvanised buckets I wonder?
1840s I think. The process was invented in 1837...
C
Thanks China spot on,
I was wrong and looked it up! but they didn't start the buckets till later only made baths I think!
Rabbit B ;)
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I was told this was a picture of Ivy cottage and the home of the Fisher family until c1920.
George Fisher and Selina had 4 sons born 1875,1879, 1881and 1882 and two living daughters born 1883 and 1892. If this is the fisher family and estimating the oldest boy age as 15 would make the picture 1890'ish- I wonder why the mother didn't figure in the picture.
Sally Harris
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1901 Census The Slade Bucklebury .... all born Bucklebury [Lovely neck of the woods!!!!}
George Fisher 55
Selina Fisher 50
Kate J Fisher 18
Elsie A Fisher 8
RG13 Piece 1141 Folio 20 Page 3
If it is Elsie in the pic It makes it 1895
Mark :)
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A fine job, Rabbit ;D ;D ;D ;D Well done ;D
Mark :-*
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A fine job, Rabbit ;D ;D ;D ;D Well done ;D
Mark :-*
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Given a set of names, I thought I would take a look. If this is the family, it was clearly after this. Interestingly Mr Fisher is a Bricklayer - I wonder if he liked home improvements. This is 1881, I couldn't find them on the 1891, though you have more names now, so perhaps worth another tyr.
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I'm sure we'll have the marriage posted anytime soon.... and the wedding photos.
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I just couldn't help myself.
Surname First name(s)District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
FISHER George Bradfield 2c 585
Morton Selina Bradfield 2c 585
Bradfield: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bradfield,+berkshire&sll=51.20968,-2.645817&sspn=0.028337,0.077162&g=Wells&ie=UTF8&ll=51.447588,-1.131248&spn=0.014095,0.054932&t=h&z=15
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A fine job, Rabbit ;D ;D ;D ;D Well done ;D
Mark :-*
Oh thank you kind sir! :-[
You are too kind! :-[
Rabbit B ;D
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Coming late to this............. Rabbit those are lovely restores, what a wonderful job you have made of this, I love them both.
Maggie ;)
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Coming late to this............. Rabbit those are lovely restores, what a wonderful job you have made of this, I love them both.
Maggie ;)
Pure fluke Maggie I assure you!
Rabbit B ;D
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No way are those a fluke ;D
Maggie
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No way are those a fluke ;D
Maggie
Well Maggie I was pleased with them because they are all my own work! Perhaps I can chuck my L plates out soon!
Rabbit B ;D
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The 1895 date sounds reasonable given Elsies date of birth but I have come to the conclusion that not all the boys are brothers. George Ernest(not Edward as listed in the census was born in 1875 and an a bricklayer like his father and none of the boys are 20 and I do note that one is the other side of the fence.
The wedding pictures would be nice but I think I'm out of luck there-I think George Ernest Would have had one-The picture posted was part of his collection-Known as Ernie he was my husbands grandfather.
Sally Harris