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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: mcvicars on Monday 20 July 09 12:34 BST (UK)
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I have several Craig ancestors who are listed in 1841 census as living at Holms - John Craig (Farmer) age 65, wife Mary and sons James, 30yrs (my gt gt grandfather) and his brother John, 25yrs. Later records show James was at Holms when he died in 1851. That John, his brother was a farmer there in 1881 census and after that John's son, William J Craig married to Elisabeth Steel both died there too in 1914 and 1925.
Would like to know where this is?
Other places listed on the same census page in 1841 are Peelhill (James Morrison), Brownhill (John Lawson) and Overhouse (andrew Wilson) - if that helps to identify the location.
thankyou if you can help
In addition if anyone can point me to the graves of these Craigs; would appreciate as wil be visiting soon - esp James ((1809-1851) and John (approx born 1776)
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It appears to be in enumeration district 3 which is in the Drumclog area of Strathaven
Enumeration District 3
Bankend
Barnock School
Burnfoot
Burnside
Dungavel Lodge
Dykehead
Dykeneuk
East Dykes
Gallowferten
Glengavel Mill
Greensland
Grouse Lodge
Halls Toll Barr
High Dykes
High Ploughland
Holms
How Dykes
Low Ploughland
Middlecroft
North Halls
Overhouse
Peelhill
Shielloans
Side
South Halls
South Torfoot
Stonyhill
Strutherhead
Templeland
Waterhead
West Dykes
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Wow - that was quick thankyou so much. Further research shows family dating back tot he early 1700's have lived and died there. Forgive my ignorance, but when you say Enumeration District 3 - is it possible to get an exact address - ie a location that could be visited?
regards
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I did a google search for Barnock School which gives a location between Dungavel and Drumclog near Strathaven. There is a good chance that the farm may still exist. I'll check an os map tomorrow.
Interestingly there is a Craig registered on Friends Reunited for Barnock School for 1984. Maybe a relative
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I just checked www.streetmap.co.uk and entered Drumclog. The page opens up and you can see Holms just to the south of Drumclog and if you pan south slightly you can see Peelhill and Overhouse
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You are absolutely brilliant!!! My great great granda is also listed as living at Dykenook which is also on this map. Thankyou ever so much.
If I may pose another question - given so many of my relatives lived, worked and died in this area would there be a local cemetery where it is likely they would all be buried?
best wishes M
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Possibly Strathaven cemetery that dates back to the 1600s but it it also close to the Ayrshire border and they may have used Newmilns/Darvel
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Such is technology that you can then go to Google maps, now that you know where it is, get Drumclog in Satellite view, and get a good picture of the place try this link, it may not work after a time (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Drumclog&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=uk&ei=_45kSvCIBNiMjAf49Pz3Dw&ll=55.61402,-4.157757&spn=0.001651,0.004061&t=h&z=18)
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Fantastic!! So much appreciated. Will keep digging - once one starts wioth family research one finds it addictive!
regards
M
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According to the death records for Avondale parish, and I presume all are interred in the old burial ground at Strathaven, JOHN CRAIG, farmer, Holms was buried 23rd February 1854 in the 2W. My interpretation of 2W is that it is the position within the family plot.
Also JAMES CRAIG, Holms interred 26th DEcember 1851 in the 2E.
2W would be 2nd west of the stone, 2E would be 2nd east of the stone. Some of these old family plots were huge.
Strathaven is a very small place, the burial ground will be easy to find.
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Strathaven burial ground (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Strathaven&sll=55.61402,-4.157757&sspn=0.026418,0.064802&gl=uk&ie=UTF8&ll=55.678362,-4.062034&spn=0.001648,0.00405&t=k&z=18) satellite picture
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The old part of the cemetery is the bit accessed by the red ash path
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Thankyou all so much for taking the time out to give me the information. regards m
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In had a quick look in Strathaven today. Many of the stones in the old part are badly weathered or lying face down but I did find a couple with Craig names on them. The main one was large,sandstone but appeared to have an older base.
One side of the stone has the following inscription
IN LOVING MEMORY
OF
JOHN CRAIG
Late Farmer
who died at Holms, Avondale
28th August 1881 aged 66 years
Also of
HIS SON JOHN CRAIG
ARCHITECT
who died 1st December 1878
Aged 20 years
ALSO HIS WIFE
CHRISTINA JAMIESON
who died 21st October 1888 aged 68 years
On the old base it says
1826
The burying place of
WILLIAM JAMIESON of MIDDLECROFT
and his wife and their children
three breadths
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The other side of the large stone has the following inscription
ERECTED BY
ROBERT CRAIG &
ISABELLA GRIERSON
His wife
In Loving Memory
of
CHRISTINA JAMIESON CRAIG
Their daughter
who died 27th July 1882
Aged 2 years and 11 months
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Their are other smaller stones with Craig names on them
Marion Craig 1833 married to a man called Taylor ( A Baker)
Elizabeth Craig 1831 married to a man called Wilson
Also another stone
James Craig Avondale
William Craig Bankend
1774
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Yes - they are definitely the Craigs I am related to. James is my gt gt g/father and John Craig his brother.
Again - your help is most appreciated
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My interest in the Craigs of Avonvale, starts with Agnes (31/3/1737) who married William Meikle on 2/6/1765. Her father was John Craig, but I've no dob for him nor a wife or marriage. Two other daughters were Isobell (18/7/1728) and Elizabeth (8/10/1731). I'd appreciate any information on either of these points, if you have any. ???
Regards
Ken
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Hi Here's a summary which could get you started: if you work thru the list you will find Agnes at the bottom of my line of Craigs. I have lots of the records etc but have summarised here for you. What I would really like is to see if you have anything else to add to this tree. In particular how the Meikles connect to the Craigs as the name comes up a few times. (and I happen to be dating a Meikle!) This list starts with my gt grandparents, James & Cecilia, arrival in Australia in 1876 and works back through the Craigs of Avondale. I am also working on the Craig line from Cecilia's line of Craigs.
Let me know if you want any more info, and please share if you can add.
My grandfather, Thomas Henry Craig was born in Lambton, NSW in 1887. His parents were James Craig and Cecelia Craig (yes, her maiden name was also Craig – she was born in Govan and her parents in Kinnoull , Perthshire)
James and Cecelia emigrated to Australia on The Star of India - London to Sydney arrived 16 Jun 1876 with their 1yr old son Charles, who soon after died aged 1. They went on to have 8 children in Australia.
James & Cecilia were married on 21 Nov 1873 in Govan, Lanarkshre.
From here is the Holms' connection: (ie all males were born and died at or near Holms):
James was born in 1852 to James Craig & Jane (Jean) Fleming. He had sister Ann b1850
James Craig (snr) was born in 1809 (he died 1851 – 2mths before his son James was born) to John and Mary Craig.
In 1841 the Craig household at Holms was listed as:
John Craig (65) and wife Mary (65) with sons James (30yr- b 1809), John (25yr- b1815)
(Others in the household on census night were:William Anderson 12, Margaret Blackwood 20, Jean Campbell 15, Elizabeth Wilson 14, Elisabeth Fleming 8 Ann Wingfield 45)
Other children of John Craig (Born1776 in Holms Glengavel,Avondale,Lanarkshire,Scotland Died 1854-02-19 in Holms )and Mary Hamilton (1775-1865)
Janet Craig (1797-1871)
Agnes Craig (1800-1871)
Robert Craig (1804-1857)
Mary Craig (1806-1879)
James Craig (1809-1854)
Helen Craig (1811-1881)
John Craig (1815 -1881) John Craig married Christina and had William J Craig b1846, Elizabeth Craig Mary Craig Robert Craig Christina Craig James Craig Jane Craig Jessie Craig John Craig
John Craig was born 1776 to Robert Craig (1734-1794) who was married to Agnes Dunn in 1771
Robert & Agnes other children: John, Agnes 1778-1854 and William 1790-1876
Robert Craig was born to John Craig (approx b1700) who was married to Agnes Campbell in 1723.
John & Agnes' other children were: Isobell (b1725) Elisabeth (b1731) Robert (above – b 1734 – 1794) and Agnes (b1737)
Hope this helps
cheers
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Note too on Scotlands People that Williams name has been incorrectly transcribed as Muckle:
02/06/1765 CRAIG AGNES WILLIAM MUCKLE/FR257 F Avondale /LANARK 621/ 0010 0263
But looking at copy is more likely Meikle.
There is a birth record for William:
16/12/1742 MEIKLE WILLIAM JOHN MEIKLE/MARION PORTEOUS FR122 M Lesmahagow /LANARK 649/ 0010
is this the one on your tree?
There's a now-defunct family tree that lists William m to Agnes and that his parents were John and Marion Porteous?
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As for Agnes's father John Craig; I think this may be his birth record, but still need to confirm
17/01/1692 CRAIG JOHN JOSEPH CRAIG/MARGARET DICK FR508 M Ayr /AYR 578/ 0020
and here is their marriage: (note Agnes' names is transcribed with two S's
08/06/1723 CAMPBELL AGNESS JOHN CRAIG/FR227 F Avondale /LANARK 621/ 0010
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Hi Mcvicars
My OH is descended from Agnes Craig and William Meikle. He has another Craig/Meikle marriage in his tree:
Margaret Lennox Craig b 21/3/1829 Strathaven who married John Meikle b 1/6/1827 Highdyke, Avondale on 24/5/1851 in Avondale.
Margaret L Craig was the daughter of Robert Craig and Elizabeth Begg...does this link with your Craigs? John Meikle was the son of William Meikle and Elizabeth Jack and they farmed at Highdyke.
Regards
Tracey
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More than likely as Highdyke is only a few farms over from Holms. Margaret's birth would match in dates to being a daughter of Robert Craig (1804-1857) son of John and Mary Craig of Holms. Will check census records
ta
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Highdyke is a farm
This one (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Drumclog&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=uk&ei=_45kSvCIBNiMjAf49Pz3Dw&t=h&ll=55.623362,-4.115716&spn=0.001675,0.004136&z=18&iwloc=A)
About a mile and a half nw of Holms Farm (just north of the prison!
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My research shows William Meikle b.9/12/1733 and d.1792. His children were John b.1/11/1766, Robert (12/12/1768), Agnes (12/12/1768), and another Agnes (24/12/1775).
William's parents I have as Robert Meikle b. 1706 in Lesmahagon. He married Margaret Weir in 1725, and she was b.4/1/1708, the daughter of William Weir and Agnes. Their children were Agnes (1726-31), Thomas (1728-29), Thomas (1729), Agnes (1731), William (1733-92), Marion (1736) and James (1739).
Robert's parents I have as Thomas Meikle (b.c 1670) and Bessie Couper (b.1668) they married1694, and the children were, Robert(1701), Margaret (1704), Marion (1709), Robert (1706), Thomas (1712) and William (1713).
Going forward from William and Agnes, I have Robert m. Agnes Stobo in Lesmahagow (19/3/1801), William m. Margaret Stewart ( Sept 1826) in Lesmahagow, and Agnes m.William Scott (June 1848) in Strathavon.
That's the limit of my Meikles, although I do have the children of the latter Meikles.
I'd appreciate any comments on any errors or omissions. :P Ken
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I can see it from my kitchen window. What do you want to know about it?
Some members of the Craig family lived in my house too.
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Ahh yes I heard there were more Craigs at Peelhill. If you look through this thread you will see the Craigs related to me so any information would be appreciated. Basically i was interested in what type of farmers they may have been etc? where would they have been schooled etc. The Craigs seem to have been in that immediate area from the mid 1700's and earlier in Ayr district generally. From what i understand the farms in the area were owned by the Duke of Hamilton and that Holms & Peelhill sold to Craigs in the 1980's? Presumably they were then tennant farmers for the preceding 200+ years?
Basically just trying to get a picture of the family's history in the area given it stretches such a long time back in one area.
thanks
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Bathonian, I have members of the Meikle family getting me some more details next week when they visit family, so that I can check the line which I will then post here
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Hello, ;D
I am related to the Craigs of Holms Farm, and the subsequent Craigs from Strathaven. I am descended from the John Craig who is buried in the old part of the cemetery in Strathaven. My uncle and I would welcome any info about the Craigs and the farm, and are than willing to share any info that we have. I have found mention of wills that are kept in the Scottish archives relating to Craigs from Avondale in the 1600s, though as of yet have not been able to view them (due to distance and time).
:) :)
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Hi McVicars,
With regards Robert Craig 1804-1857 do you have any further details on his death ie date/location as i'm trying to see if he is the same Robert who is the father of Margaret Lennox Craig?
I have an 1841 census for South Halls Farm,
Elizabeth Craig 35 Farmer (Possibly Elizabeth Begg born outside Scotland)
Margaret Craig 12
Mary Craig 10
Jean Craig 7
Elizabeth Craig 6
Helen Craig 5
Jessie Craig 3
John Craig 1
Also you mentioned Dykenook in an earlier post - I also have a connection to Dykenook - through William Struthers of Dykenook who is the last entry on the 1841 census page that also lists Elizabeth Craig. What is your Dykenook link?
Regards Rob
ADD---- Just found Elizabeth Begg's birth showing parents Hugh Begg and Margaret Lennox in Muirkirk and also the marriage of Robert Craig and Elizabeth Begg in both parishes of Muirkirk and Avondale....also the children's names are following the naming pattern so Margaret Lennox Craig is definitely the daughter of Robert Craig, son of John Craig of Holms.
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My research shows William Meikle b.9/12/1733 and d.1792. His children were John b.1/11/1766, Robert (12/12/1768), Agnes (12/12/1768), and another Agnes (24/12/1775).
Hi Ken
Do you have any more information on John Meikle b.1/11/1766, son of William Meikle and Agnes Craig? Looking to find any marriage details for him to try and sort out some loose ends in my OH's tree.
Regards
Tracey
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Interesting thread!
My ancestors, Leipers, farmed just south and west of Holms at Stoneyhill from around 1740 then Drumboy till mid 1880s.
William Leiper married Janet Meikle in 1747 and Leipers married various Lindsays, Hamiltons, Donaldsons and Mortons but never a Craig. I wonder if they were a different religion? The Leiper graves I have found are in Newmilns churchyard.
I'd be interested to hear from anyone with any knowledge of Leipers in the 1700s or earlier in the area and relations of Janet Meikle (b Avondale 1721).
Regards
John
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I am new to Roots - and am also very interested in Holms, Glengavel Farm. The 1841 census and Craigs referred to - included Ann (Hamilton)Wingfield, my family ancestor who was born Strathaven 1795, emigrated to Canada. I feel sure she is related to Mary Craig, not sure just how, but Mary's maiden name was Hamilton, right?
The website I'd like to pass on is Geograph UK for terrific maps; you can see Holms below Drumclog, the Glengavel Water & Reservoir, with photos. The photographer is Gordon Brown, with a link to him - I've 'talked to him' - very helpful. Good luck.
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I came across another source for Strathaven cemetery that does not seem to have been mentioned yet. It is an on-line monuments transcription by Anne Barrie, which is well indexed and user friendly. The path to follow is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~barrie/
also there is a "click here" for queries. I did that and got her e-mail address, sent her one, but have not heard back. Perhaps it is outdated.
In this document are all (or most) of the names mentioned in this series of letters, including Leiper and Meikle. Very helpful for those of us unable to view the site in person, Gail in Canada
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Time for me to post my family surnames of interest in Lanarkshire: Brown/e: (Barony) Glasgow 1800-1850
Hay and Fyfe: (Barony) Glasgow 1750 ff
Wingfield: (Barony) Glasgow 1800 - 1850
Wingfield and Hamilton: Parishes of Avondale, Blantyre, Hamilton 1700 ff
I've viewed the 1841 census; John Wingfield and children were in Glasgow; his wife Annie (Hamilton) Wingfield was at home of John and Mary (Hamilton) Craig in Holms, Avondale, the same Parish where Annie was married in 1820 at Strathaven. Annie and Mary may have been sisters, but more likely niece and aunt.
Any suggestions welcome, Gail Browne
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If Talljohn would care to contact me I have quite a lot of information on many of the families which interest him. My knowledge of the Leipers is quite good but only backl to about 1780.
Boswells
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Thanks Boswells,
I have replied direct to you.
John
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Aimed at mcvicars**
My grandfather, Thomas Henry Craig was born in Lambton, NSW in 1887. His parents were James Craig and Cecelia Craig (yes, her maiden name was also Craig – she was born in Govan and her parents in Kinnoull , Perthshire)
James and Cecelia emigrated to Australia on The Star of India - London to Sydney arrived 16 Jun 1876 with their 1yr old son Charles, who soon after died aged 1. They went on to have 8 children in Australia.
Hi - I have just started to look into the family history and decided I'd take a pot luck @ google and have found your postings. From what I have initially found from my family, it seems that my gg grandparents were James and Cecilia Craig with my g grandfather being William Craig, born 1877 in Sydney. The tree though then seems to go a little bit different as I have James's parents being James Craig and Chistine Miller and Cecilia's parents being Charles Craig and Jane Burman
As mentioned, I'm all new to this so am hoping you can assist me by letting me know if you have a brother of William Craig to your grandfather Thomas Henry Craig. I can then work out if the information I have is correct.
Thanks!
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For many years I have been researching Avondale/Strathaven family names and have accumulated a large data base. I am interested in exchanging and/or confirming information with others who are looking in the same area. Names include: Allison, Bryson, Cochran, Fleming, Hamilton, Jamieson, Leiper, Wilson and more; places include Carnduff, Meadowfoot, Collinhill, Hawkwood, Hookhead, Netherfield, Craig, Struther, Halls of Glengavel and others. I'd especially like more monumental inscription details if they're available.
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I had a wander around the old part of Strathaven cemetery today and took some photographs of headstones with lots of the above names. If anyone wants a copy then send me a pm with their email and a note of the surnames they are interested in.
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Hello Pointer,
Welcome to Rootschat :D
I have spent a lot of time trying to untangle my ancestors in Avondale, and Irvine valley. I have a few Leiper and Morton gravestone inscriptions from Newmils, or is that too far west for you?
I'm interested in Leipers (Avondale) Mortons (Near Darvel/Loudoun) and Wilsons, Flemings,Hamiltons, Lindsays, almost all of them farmers in the area. I'd be happy to share information with you and try to confirm some details.
John
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All the photographs I took are too big to post on here so they will have to be emailed
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I've had a look through the photos and they include
Anne Cochrane widow of the late Thomas Leiper (merchant) who died 1850 aged 81
Marion Leiper the mother of John Hamilton who died 1789
Andrew Leiper and his wife Jane Wilson
JohnLeiper and Jean Bell and children
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Many thanks to both Leiper48 and Sancti for getting back so quickly. I haven't posted enough to be able to send a pm to anyone but hope to be able to do so very soon. The same applies to the pm from Gailmail - I can't get back to you yet but will do so as soon as I am able. I hope we can get in touch via e-mail to talk about what we have.
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There is an old stone with the name written as Gavon Ailson and his spouse Margret Riddle dated 1805
Not sure if it is meant to be Alison
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William Young and wife Euphemia Leiper
Thomas Leiper and wife Christina Arneil, Andrew Leiper and wife Margaret Hamilton and Jane Leiper
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Hello Sancti,
I can't find any of your first lot, but among the second I have Wm Young (b c1816 Avondale) and wife Euphemia Leiper (b 1823 at Drumboy and christened in Avondale). I have no death dates, but William was still alive, age 85, and living as a retired farmer at Hill farm in Avondale, in 1901. Euphemia was alive in 1871 but I haven't checked '81 or '91. Are there any dates or other info legible on the stone?
I can't seem to get the right pairings for the other names.
John
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Erected by William Young of Hill, Avondale and Euphemia Leiper his wife in memory of Euphemia Young their daughter who died 22 Feb 1879 aged 20 yrs
Helen Young their daughter who died 31 Jan 1899 aged 33 yrs
The above William Young who died 9 May 1901 aged 85 years
Also the above Euphemia Leiper who died 1 Feb 1911 aged 88 years
If you pm with your email address I will send you a copy of the photo.
There are a couple of other headstones with the name Leiper on them
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Looking at your surnames interest, the photos I have are mainly HAMILTON, COCHRANE, FLEMING but there is also mention of
Morton
Meikle
Allison
Leiper
Craig
Thomson
Donald
Donaldson
Semple
Yuill
Brown
Brownlie
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Thank you Sancti,
I have emailed you with my email address. Those names and dates tie up very well, I had forgotten to say that they got married in Avondale in 1845 so that ties up too.
I'll have a look at the other names and see if I think any of my people might fit them and being buried in Avondale. I may be back in touch in a few days.
Many thanks :)
John
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Email with photos has been sent.
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Looking at your surnames interest, the photos I have are mainly HAMILTON, COCHRANE, FLEMING but there is also mention of
Morton
Meikle
Allison
Leiper
Craig
Thomson
Donald
Donaldson
Semple
Yuill
Brown
Brownlie
Also
Wilson
Russell
Allan
Cassells
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I realize this chain is over a year old, but I'm hoping someone may be able to verify the information provided earlier. @ Pointer, you mentioned that you had information on Craigs and Jamiesons. I am looking for information on Agnes Craig, daughter of William Craig and Janet Jaimeson who marries Matthew Fowlds in August 1846. Is the Agnes listed earlier as b. 1800 the same Agnes??
In the book: Matthew Fowlds Centenarian Weaver, it lists her and her parents living at Holmes Farm near Strathaven.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to find the connection between her and Andrew Craig who marries Martha Fowlds in Fenwick in December 1841.
Thank you,
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According to my records, John Craig, who died on the 28/08/1881 married Christina Jamieson on the 16/04/1842 in Avondale. She died 21/10/1888.
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Hi, this one came from out of the blue. Getting stuck, I'd moved on to other members of the families. But now that I've been drawn back, I'm hoping that some good soul can help me with any information on John Craig's (bc.1700) parents and the parents of his wife, Agnes Campbell. My wife's family came down through their daughter Agnes (b1737) who married William Meikle (b9 Dec 1733) on 2 June 1765 in Avondale. Any information would be appreciated.
Regards
Ken Rees
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Hi my name is John Craig and I am a direct descendant of the Craig`s of Holms Farm at Drumclog and was the last in line to the Farm but unfortunately did not continue with the farm it is now however owned by the Watson family, Jim Watson married my Aunt who was a Craig, Peelhill Farm and the Holms were owned by three brothers Jim Craig, Robert and my father William there are a further 10 brother and sisters 3 of which have passed away including my father, I do have an e mail address from a third party who has extensively researched his family which included my own. Descendants of John Craig read bellow for the info I received, If you send me an E mail to the following address I can forward the full attachment some of which is bellow. (*)
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 CRAIG was born Abt. 1700 in Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married AGNES CAMPBELL Jun 1723 in Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland. She was born Abt. 1700 in Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
More About JOHN CRAIG:
Occupation: Farmer Holms of Avondale
Children of JOHN CRAIG and AGNES CAMPBELL are:
i. ISOBELL2 CRAIG, b. 18 Jul 1725, Holms of Glengavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
ii. ELIZABETH CRAIG, b. 08 Oct 1731, Holms of Glengavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
2. iii. ROBERT CRAIG, b. 25 Dec 1734, Holms of Glengavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. 1794, Holms of Glengavel, Near Dungavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
iv. AGNES CRAIG, b. 31 Mar 1737, Holms of Glengavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
Generation No. 2
2. ROBERT2 CRAIG (JOHN1) was born 25 Dec 1734 in Holms of Glengavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland1, and died 1794 in Holms of Glengavel, Near Dungavel, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland2. He married AGNES DUNN 11 Aug 1771 in Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland, daughter of JAMES DUN and JANET THOMSON. She was born 29 Oct 1741 in Midlembank, Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
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Hello John
I tried to send my email address in a PM,but your inbox is full,you can
see all your private messages at top of page after you sign in.
Janet
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Hi Jassy,
That is the message when you try and PM someone who has not made 3 posts, if John can make another 2 posts, you will then be able to PM him.
Tom
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Hi I am John Craig as per my previous posts, not yo sure how this all works yet but will muddle through, Re Janet Burt message I have Robbie has been in touch many years ago and he has kindly given me all the info he has thanks, don`t know if he has any more. I will need to find out how to reply?????
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If anyone needs the copy of the info I have just drop me an E mail and I will attach any info on a return E mail.(*)
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James Craig who married Cecilia Craig is not the son of James Craig and Jean Fleming but is the son of James Craig a Shipwright and Christian Miller. Thus mcvicar you are not descended from the Craigs of Holms which is my family. As you must have the marriage certificate of 1873 you must have known that the connection to the Craig of Holms was incorrect. As my information has been published in many websites for years (without my permission) is it easier to download my family history rather than actually doing some research and finding your own family history which may be more interesting than mine?.
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Forget Holms farm. To sound more positive here are your ancestors. According to his marriage certificate James Craig was the son of James Craig and Christina Miller. James senior was a ship wright and was born in Greenock Renfrewshire on 28 April 1815 to William Craig and Isabella MacIntosh.
James senior remarried Mary Buchanan in 1854 after the death of Christina Miller (betw 1851-1854)
Here are some census records which may interest you.
Greenock rather than Avondale is your ancestral home. All the best Robbie
1841 census Barony, Lanarkshire
Address:Partick
Old Bridore End
James Craig 26 Ship Carpenter J born Lanarkshire No
Christina Craig 25 born Lanarkshire No
Isabella Craig 3 born Lanarkshire No ***** see below
William Craig 1 born Lanarkshire Yes
John Craig 1 born Lanarkshire Yes
Ann Yuille 10 born Lanarkshire No
1851 census Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire
Address:Castlewalk St Mathews
Christina Craig Head 33 born Glasgow, Lanark
Isabella Craig Daughter 12 Scholar born Greenock, Renfrew
William Craig Son 10 Scholar born Partick, Lanark
John Craig Son 7 Scholar born Partick, Lanark
Mary Craig 5 Scholar born Partick, Lanark
Charles Kerr Lodger 25 Ship Carpenter, Journeyman born Glasgow, Lanark
ED:9D Page:34 Household schedule number:117 Line:1 Roll:CSSCT1851_167
1861 census Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire
Address:155 Dumbarton Rod
James Craig Head Mar 46 Spirit Merchant born Greenock, Renfrewshire
Mary Craig 45 born Inchman, Renfrewshire
William Craig Son Unm 21 Ship Carpenter born Kelmhaugh, Lanarkshire
John Craig Son Unm 17 Ship South (app) born Partick, Lanarkshire
Mary Craig Daughter 15 born Partick, Lanarkshire
James Craig Son 9 Scholar born Partick, Lanarkshire
Jessie Craig Daughter 7 Scholar born Partick, Lanarkshire
Mary Buchanan Niece Unm 21 Domestic Servant born Partick, Lanarkshire
ED:2 Household schedule number:204 Line:7 Roll:CSSCT1861_114
1871 census Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire
Address:3 Graham St
Thomas Muir Head Mar 30 Iron Ship Builder born Glasgow, Lanark
Mary Muir Wife Mar 25 born Partick, Lanark
May Muir Daughter 5 born England
James Craig Brother-in-law Unm 19 Blacksmith born Partick, Lanark
ED:9 Household schedule number:138 Line:6 Roll:CSSCT1871_144
Marriage James Craig and Mary Buchanan 11 Aug 1854 Govan,Lanark,Scotland
James Craig
birth:28 April 1815
christening:4 May 1815
MIDDLE OR NEW PARISH, GREENOCK, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
father:William Craig
mother:Isabella Macintosh
***** Isabella Mcintosh Craig
Gender Female
Christening Place EAST PARISH, GREENOCK, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 06 Jul 1837
Birthplace East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Father's Name James Craig
Mother's Name Christina Miller
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Surprised no-one has posted this http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=55.6191&lon=-4.1523&layers=5 to answer the original question.
Or this, which shows it on a modern map. http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS6437