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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: sesd on Sunday 19 July 09 17:20 BST (UK)
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I am searching for an ancestor, Mary Peterkin who was born in Scotland abt 1845. According to her marriage certificate, (Toronto, Canada 1870) she was the daughter of John & Anne Peterkin.
Does anyone see her on a 1851 or 1861 census index?
One family I am trying to rule in or out is the family of John Peterkin & Ann Watt who married in 1834 in both Kintore & Chapel of Garioch, Aberdeen and had at least 4 children (John, Henrietta, Thomas, & Margaret) in Mortlach, Banffshire where I found them on the 1841 census via FREECEN.
I understand that Ann Peterkin is alive, age 70, widowed in 1881, living with son? James Peterkin and grandson John Macdonald, both born 1861. John her husband may have died around 1861-1862.
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Hi Sesd
There is this entry in 1851 - children showing as born in Aberdeen:
John Peterkin 51, carpet weaver b. Edinkilly, Morayshire
Ann Peterkin 41 b. Carmettie, Forfar
Margaret Peterkin 15
Elizabeth Peterkin 13
Jane Peterkin 10
Mary Peterkin 6
Euphennia Peterkin 2
Address: Hardgate, Old Marchar Aberdeenshire
The children showing don't necessarily match with the ones you found in 1841
Monica
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This Mary looks to be working away from home in 1861:
Mary Peterkin, 16, Nurserymaid, b. Aberdeen at the Crable household at 7 Roslin Terrace, Aberdeen St Nicholas
Monica
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Can't easily see the mother Ann from 1851 in 1861 but this possible entry in 1871:
Ann Peterkin 61, b. Carmyllie, Forfarshire
Elizabeth Peterkin 33 linen weaver b. Aberdeen
James Peterkin 19 Shopman Dreper b. Aberdeen
Monica
Added: Sorry forgot to add address: 44 Skene St Old Marchar
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I was interested to see on the IGI that there were 2 marriages. When you said they married in both Chapel of Garioch and Kintore I assumed they just had the Banns read but this looks like it might be 2 separate marriages.
John Peterkin and Ann Watt on the 2nd of July 1829, Old Machar, Aberdeen. (extracted)
John Peterkin and Anne Watt on the 21st of June 1834 at Chapel of Garioch, Aberdeen. (extracted)
Have you viewed the original entries for either of these? They sometimes give details such a father's name which could help.
Kirsty
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The entry that you have for 1881 would match the Ann with her birth place of Carmyllie and son James from previous censuses:
Ann Peterkin 71, annuitant b. Carmyllie, Forfarshire
James Paterkin 29, Comm Traverller Woollen, b. Old Machar, Aberdeenshire
John McDonald 19, grandson, Warehouseman Woolen, b. St Nicholas
Address: 1 Grays Buildings, Old Marchar
Monica
Strange about the marriage years Kirsty :-\
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Did you find a daughter Ann for this family. Just wondering who the mother Ann Peterkin is that shows as mother to John McDonald (father Ewen McDonald). Again two entries, looks like first John McD may have died:
1. JOHN JAMES PETERKIN MC DONALD Birth: 18 DEC 1859 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen
2. JOHN MC DONALD Birth: 11 DEC 1861 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen
Monica
Likely 1861 entry for this family - children born in Aberdeen:
Ewen McDonald 32, joiner b. Perintosh, Rossshire
Ann McDonald 26, b. Aberdeen
Ewen McDonald 4
Jane McDonald 2
John J McDonald 1
Address: 24 Summer Lane, St Nicholas Aberdeen
Parents marriage showing in 1856 - Ewin McDonald and Ann Peterkin
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Someone else researching the same line, following Thomas Peterkin
http://genforum.genealogy.com/peterkin/messages/86.html
Monica
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Actually....maybe not ;D
I think Kirsty's find of two OPR banns/marriage entries are relevant. There looks to be two John Peterkin and Ann Watt families. Which explains why we are seeing different sets of children and locations.
From the information we found on censuses after 1841 with a daughter Mary, I think this is the family in 1841 (not the one that you showed in your first post) and probably the family resulting from the 1829 marriage:
John Peterkin 41, carpet weaver b. Scotland
Ann Peterkin 30 b. Scotland
Mary Peterkin 9
Ann Peterkin 7
Margaret Peterkin 5
Elizabeth Peterkin 3
Address: College Street, Old Marchar
This is the family that you referred to in your first post which fits with the 1834 marriage:
John Peterkin 30, carrier
Ann Peterkin 30
John Peterkin 6
Henrietta Peterkin 4
Thomas Peterkin 2
Margaret Peterkin 1
Address: Dufftown Seracher Or Fife St, Mortlach Banff
Monica :)
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The missing 1861 census entry for the family with the surname mistranscribed:
Ann W Peterston 51, laundress b. Carmilly, Forfarshire
Elizabeth Peterston 22 b. Old Marchar
Euphema Peterston 12 b. Old Machar
James Peterston 9 b. Old Marchar
John Ross 19 boarder
Address: 24 Summer Lane, Aberdeen St Nicholas
Monica
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;D This is turning into the story of Noah's Ark where everything is coming in two by twos!
There are only two deaths showing for a John Peterkin in Aberdeenshire between 1855 - 1861, both in Old Marchar and both the same age :o ;D
For your genealogical sake I hope it is the 1855 death of a 55 year old John - this certificate, the first year of official registration in Scotland should include his place of birth, wife's details and a full list of his children (names, ages and whether alive/deceased).
The other death in 1861 also in Old Marchar is for a John aged 61.
Here's hoping!
Monica
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Hope is high for that 1855 death cert ;D Mother's maiden name on that 1855 death cert is Clark which might then fit this IGI entry:
JOHN PETERKIN Birth: 05 MAY 1799/ Christening:09 MAY 1799 Edinkillie, Moray
Parents:JAMES PETERKIN and ANNE CLERK
Birth place would fit that 1851 census entry we have (John Peterkin 51, carpet weaver b. Edinkilly, Morayshire)
The other John who died in 1861 has a mother's maiden name of Gordon which potentially fits with this IGI entry:
JOHN PETERKIN OR GORDON (maybe illegitimate?) Birth: 24 JUL 1800 Christening: 24 JUL 1800 Deskford, Banff
Parents: JOHN PETERKIN and ELISABETH GORDON
Monica
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Wow, thanks to you all, it is a lot to digest.
My Mary Peterkin's birthdate guess comes from:
her marriage certificate:Sep 09, 1870 age 24
1871 Toronto census: age 27
1881 Toronto census: age 37
1891 Toronto census: age 45
her death certificate: 25 May 1896 age 51
She changes a bit but the range seems to be from 1844-1846, so a Mary found on the 1841 census would not be her.
I don't know exactly where she came from, but after having her first daughter in Toronto in 1873, she returned to Aberdeenshire to have her second son, James Ernest Peterkin Moir born Jul 29, 1878. She then went back to Canada before July 1880 when the next child was born.
There is a family from Old Machar, Aberdeen who showed up in Toronto for the 1861 census, after being on the 1841 & 1851 census of Old Machar. The parents are James & Mary & the children: William, Michael, Ann, James, Margaret, Mary(on the 1841 census) and Charles, Stuart, Robert and Marjory added on the 1851. The father and several of the children are in Toronto by 1861, so I wondered if my Mary went to join them as a relative. I don't see any Peterkins in Toronto who are not related to this one large family.
In 1861, they do have a 17 year old Mary living with them. She would fit my Mary, better than their daughter who would be 20 or 21 by that time. Relationship isn't given. However, they also have a 19 year old Annie, who should be 25, so maybe they are just lowering the age of their unmarried daughters. These 2 are positioned right in with their own boys, whose ages are also dropped a bit.
I will read things over and figure out what fits.
Thanks again for your great detective work.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
The Mary Peterkin born c. 1845 that we have in the censuses is the only one showing coming close to her birth year. The other is the daughter of James P and Mary (Monroe) that you have found born c. 1841.
Working from what you know and the names of her parents from her Canandian marriage entry, I do think it is likely that you have the right entry for her. Given the likely entry for her still in Scotland for the 1861 census, she probably left for Canada after this date. Have you tried looking for her on shipping manifests during this decade?
Monica
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Just a thought ::) Was Mary's husband George also from Aberdeen? Just wondered whether you could get any clues from the registered address for the birth of son James in 1878 in Old Marchar. Hoping you might find an address that you could link to the census addresses we have for Ann Peterkin Snr in Old Marchar.
Monica
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Monica, George Moir was born at his grandparent's home, Drumlithie, Glenbervie, Kincardinshire. That is what led me to suspect that a family connection of Mary's to Aberdeenshire led them to go there for the birth of James.
It's a good suggestion about son James. Once I get enough good questions for scotlandspeople, I will ask about James' birth address. It might be the very tie I need to clinch the relationship.
So far, I haven't found any entry for her on the online ship's manifests. I did find an entry year for James, 1879, on the 1911 census.
I think the most likely family from 1841 is John, the Carpet weaver. It requires the assumption that their first Mary, born about 1832 died and my Mary was given her name about 1845. Other than that the pieces fit.
On IGI I have found individuals who mach the birth locations and dates, however in Edinkilly (1841&51) there is a John Peterkin born abt 1800 who remained.
There are 2 possible John's there, Ann Clerks' son and also son of James Peterkin and Catherine Anderson born 07 SEP 1796. So maybe the son of Catherine is the one who stayed in Edinkilly
It still comes in 2's.
I guess I have a second question for scotlandspeople, the one about the death certificate for John.
There is an Ann Williamson Watt born in Carmyllie to David Watt & Agnes Fleming. This may be Ann Peterkin.
Does anyone see Ann Watt Peterkin after 1881?
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Hi Sesd
I cannot see mother Ann Peterkin after the 1881 census that we have her in and Peterkin. Nor can I see a relevant death entry for her under Peterkin/ Watt on SP after this year :-\
However ::)....James Peterkin Moir was born in 1878 at his grandmother's address from that 1881 census entry - I Gray's Buildings, Old Machar.
Monica
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Thank you so much, Monica. Now, assuming she isn't some great aunt or something, we are starting to get a real picture.
Maybe Mary went to Aberdeen to bring her mother to Toronto. I can't find her on the 1881 census, but I will keep looking.
I just found a death record for Ann Peterkin,
Age: 82 years
Birthplace: Scotland
Death date: 24 Dec 1890
Death place: Toronto, York, Ontario
I plan to look for the Moir graves in Toronto, maybe she will be among them.
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Mother Ann could have joined Mary and family after the 1881 census in Scotland, could explain why there is no death showing for her. That death entry in Toronto would certainly fit (and fit that IGI entry in Carmyllie to David Watt & Agnes Fleming). I wonder if son/brother James may also have gone out to Canada, can't easily see him either in 1891 in Scotland.
If you are looking to round things off, in your position I would certainly look at that 1855 death cert. It may provide you with the final verification you need.
Monica :)
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I checked the Canadian immigration records and found Mary Peterkin, 25 years old, from Scotland, arrived at Montreal on August 29 1870 as a servant. From the way the register was written, it looked as though she was servant to the family of Charles Armstrong, farmer also scottish.
I wonder if her marriage to George Moir was pre-arranged, or if she just worked fast to find a man and be married less than a month later.
Does anyone know if arranged marriages were common then? I will also check to see if I can find George traveling to Scotland in the year before the marriage.
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I'd think there's a good chance that she knew George Moir beforehand. I have n't come across arranged marriages, but one of my husband's ancestors married a girl a month after she joined him in South America. Both came from Aberdeenshire, he, from Old Deer,she,from Strichen.It was extremely common for farm & domestic servants to emigrate in an attempt to better themselves.
flst
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Hello, I have just read these posts and have come across some familiar names that show up in my family tree. The first is the surname Peterkin and the second one is Moir. In my family tree Ann Peterkin McBain (sp) (DOB Oct 1797) who married Alexander Anderson and their youngest child was named George Moir McBain (Jan 1840) (sp). All these events took place in Fife. I Have been trying to find out where the name Peterkin and Moir came from? I'm wondering if there may be some connection here? Thanks, Susan