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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: pedroparker on Friday 17 July 09 20:28 BST (UK)
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Hi
Im looking for some help, here's what i have:
My fathers mamgu (gran) was Ellen Williams b 1885 llansamlet d 1955, she had many brothers and sisters:
Margaret b1866
Hopkin b1868
William b1871 d1932
Thomas b1873
Guenllian b1875 d1875
Henry b1876
Gwenllian b1880 d1965
John b1883 d1963
Mary b1885 d1963
David b1887
Ann b1888
All with surname Williams and born in Llansamlet
Their mother was Eleanor Sims who married their father John Williams in 1866.
I would like to trace the Williams side of the family, John Williams was born in Llansamlet in 1843 and I have tried to trace any brothers, sisters or parents, but havn't had much luck in doing so, I have one possibilty that I came accross but havn't been able to link much at all :(
So if anyone can help me find his past, parents, granparents, etc, before his marriage I would be very grateful
Thanks
Pedro
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Hi pedroparker
Do you have John & Ellen's wedding certificate from 1866 as this will give you his father's name & occupation?
There are several possiblities in the censuses and it would help to give all the information you have.
I would suggest if you don't have it, to purchase it as it will help you through the Williams' maze.
Marriages Dec 1866
SIMS Ellen Neath 11a 798
You can order online if you didn't know
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Wendy :)
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Hi Pedro,
I have transcribed the marriages from Llansamlet Parish Church from 1837 to 1920 and have the following;
Married November 10th 1866
John Williams bachelor age 24 Occupation; Banksman, Address; Pentre Engine, Father; Thomas Williams,Occupation; Collier.
Ellen Sims spinster age 20 Address; Bonymaen, Father; Hopkin Sims, Occupation; Collier
Witnesses; David Sims, Prudence Sims. (bother & sister in law of the bride)
Ellen (Elinor) Sims is sister to my OH great grandmother
Regards
Non
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thanks Wendy47,
Non has kindly provided us with the marriage info,
thanks Non,
I have a good bit of info for the sims side going back to the 1700's but hardly any for the Williams. It's almost as bad as tracing Smith ;D
Ellen also went under names of Elinor - as Non said and Eleanor.
It would be interesting to no which Sims sister you are linked to Non, and if you are still living in the area, as my dad and his cousin often meet up with family members and swap info and photos
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Hi
There is this one which may be him
1861 Census for Wainllestr? Llansamlet
Thomas Williams 50 Head Coal Miner b Tregwl Llanst, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Williams 49 Wife b Llanst.
John Williams 17 Son Coal Miner b Llanst.
William Williams 17 Son Coal Miner b Llanst.
Elizabeth Williams 11 Dau b Llanst.
RG9 Piece 4094 Folio 8 Page 12
I wondered if Lanst. was Llansamlet
Wendy :)
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That's brill Wendy! :)
Wainllestr/Wernllestr is an area my dad remembers family used to live in llansamlet, Cwm chapel area, mostly welsh speaking, not a huge place, so this sounds very likely to be him.
I have never heard of Tregwl though, maybe the area has been knocked down or cleared over the years. It is abreviated as Llanst , which is still probably short for Llansamlet as you mentioned, I'm trying to think of any areas close by it could be, starting with 'Llans' and ending with a 't' :-\
pedro
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hi wendy,
I have found Tregwl! ;D
It is mentioned on the british history online site, parliamentary boundaries Swansea.
It says the boundary hamlet of st. thomas near Tregwl.
st. thomas is a short walk away so he must be the correct 1.
pedro
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Hi Pedro
1851 census for Wainllestr Llansamlet
Thomas William 40 Head Collier b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret William 40 Wife b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret William 14 Dau at home b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Rachel William 10 Dau Scholaress b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
John William 8 Son Scholar b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales [a twin]
William William 8 Son Scholar b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales [a twin]
Mary William 4 Dau Scholaress b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth William 14 Mo Dau b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
HO107 Piece 2464 Folio 641 Page 20
Wendy :)
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Hi Pedro
I have been looking at births and found the following, which may be them
Births Jun Quarter 1843
WILLIAMS John Neath 26 465
Births Jun Quarter 1843
Williams William Neath 26 465
1851 census taken on 30 March
Wendy :)
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hi wendy,
your a star :)
I noticed twins on the census info earlier, we do have 1 or 2 sets in the family.
Thanks very much
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I do hope it is them. Glad I could help as research in Wales can be a nightmare. Luckily my family originated in the West Country before setting up in Wales so i have an easy name to find!!
I think you may have to confirm these findings some other way i.e. Parish records. The IGI is not on at the moment but that may have some info.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
Wendy :)
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Hi Pedro,
Have been trawling through my Llansamlet records and have found baptisms for John & William Williams - both were baptised at Salem Capel y Cwm on 13th August 1843, Parents Thomas (a collier) & Margaret Williams of Nant y Gwindy.
OH's great grandmother was Rebecca Sims (1857-1928) I've managed to get OH Sims line back to about 1760 ish.
All the Sims' from Llansamlet and the surrounding area appear to be related in one way or another - there seems to be a few cases of cousins marrying - could be the reason why hubby's got a limp ;)
And yes I still live in the area
Regards,
Non
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thanks non and wendy
I think i may have opened a can of worms on this 1 :(
alot of possibilities trying to track down Thomas Williams and his wife before the marriage, as wendy said earlier, not an easy name.
Llansamlet, llangyfelach, eglwsilan, llanelli, cwmdu and a possible 10-20 year emigration to Utah and back have been thrown in the works, none of which i can tie down as of yet, :-\ I will keep trying and see if something falls into place, so fingers crossed.
thanks for you help
pedro
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Message for "Non". Hi, I wonder if you could help me? I am trying to find out about Hopkin Sims b. 1814 married to Gwenllian (Unknown). They were the parents of Elen, Elinor, Eleanor, who married John Williams. Eleanor's sister, Mary Sims is my g.grandmother, she married George Bevan. Could you give me an information at all on Hopkin Sims siblings or parents please & possibly Gwen.s maiden name. Many thanks, REgards, David
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Hi David,
Just rushing off to work.......late again :o Will PM you later
Non