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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: scotia123 on Friday 17 July 09 13:39 BST (UK)
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hi, I am looking for help in tracing the father of David mckenzie and this being a completely new hobby to me any help or info would be greatly appreciated. The information that I have so far is that David mckenzie residing in the parish of Alves and Isabella Dunbar residing in parish of Golspie had the reading of their wedding banns commence on the 7 of december 1851. There is no date given for the wedding service They had two children John born 1853 at alves and Alexander born 1855 also at Alves. The 1861 census shows David and family in Edinburgh he is shown as being aged 34 and a police constable isabella would now seem to be known as Sarah and John is shown as an 8 year old scholar.
My problem is that I cannot find either a batism record for David or a death certificate from which I could learn his parents names and any other info regarding the same I,ve tried to be as brief as possible with this post as well as posting as much info as I can any help or advice would be gratefully received
Alex.
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Hi Alex
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Is the son John the line you are following? Possibility the marriage you have found in 1851 may be for another couple as I think there were two different Dunbar mothers, Isabella and Sarah. These are the children showing to a David and Isabella:
1. JAMES MACKENZIE Birth: 06 MAR 1855 Urquhart, Moray
2. ISABELLA MC KENZIE Birth: 29 DEC 1856 Urquhart, Moray
3. DAVID MC KENZIE Birth: 16 SEP 1860 St. Andrews-Lhanbryd, Moray
There is a likely entry in 1861 for this family in St Andrews Lhanbryd with these children, father David is a ploughman b. in Petty Inverness-shire c. 1823.
Regarding the family of David and Sarah (Dunbar), there is one more child showing as born in 1856, also in Alves, CATHERINE MC KENZIE b. 07 OCT 1856. This certificate is available to view on line on Scotlands People. Can't see any more children born to them after this date.
Monica :)
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I'm going to take some calculated guesses here Alex until you are able to verify ;) This is the entry that you have for the family in 1861:
David McKenzie 34, police constable, b. Rossshire
Sarah McKenzie 33, b. Morayshire
John McKenzie 8, b. Aberdeenshire
John Ross 32, boarder
Donald Sutherland 21, boarder
Peter Ross 22, boarder
Address:James Court, Edinburgh Tolbooth
I wonder if this could be David and Sarah in 1851:
David MacKenzie 25, gen. lab., b. Creich, Sutherland
Sarah MacKenzie 26, b. Forres
Infant (female) MacKenzie 5 Months, b. Forres
Agnes Dunbar 15, visitor, a wright's daughter, b. Forres
Address: 3 Long Row, Forres
Jumping about a bit here on the censuses now! So we have the family in 1851 with more specific birth places than those showing in 1861. You had the family in Edinburgh for 1861. This looks to be them in 1871:
David McKenzie 46, police constable, b. Kincardine, Rossshire
Sarah McKenzie 46, b. Forres Morayshire
John McKenzie 18, Apprentice Crgenier (?spl), b. Alves
Alexander McKenzie 16, Apprentice Printer, b. Alves
Address: 6 Writers Court, Edinburgh St Giles
Monica
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Can't easily see parents in 1881, but could this be Alexander:
Alexander McKenzie 26, Dispatch Clerk, b. Elgin Alves
Bridget McKenzie 25, b. Ireland
Catherine McKenzie 11 Months, b. Edinburgh
Address: 14 No Richmond St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
A check on this Alexander's marriage cert on Scotlands People would let you confirm whether it is the correct Alexander and whether parents show as alive or deceased (and father's occupation).
And John in 1881 perhaps:
John McKenzie 27, engine fitter, b. Alves
Mary McKenzie 28
David McKenzie 6
Agnes McKenzie 5
Mary McKenzie 3
John McKenzie 1
John Craig 19, boarder
Address: 4 Milne Sqr, Edinburgh High Church
Monica
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Son Alexander who doesn't show with the family in 1861 is with his maternal grandparents for that census :). Everyone showing as born in Forres except for Agnes Snr.:
John Dunbar 59, carpenter
Agnes Dunbar 56, b. Alloboll, Rossshire
John Dunbar 27
Isabella Dunbar 17
William Ross 10, grandson
Alexander McKenzie 5, grandson
Agnes Dunbar 9 Months, granddaughter
Address: Pilmuir, Forres Morayshire
The Agnes Dunbar showing in 1851 with David and Sarah is likely to have been Sarah's sister. These look to be the children for John Dunbar and Agnes Fraser, including Sarah's details. Entries are a mixture of submitted and actual extract from the Old Parish Registers all in Forres:
1. SARAH DUNBAR Birth: 02 FEB 1824/ Christening: 13 FEB 1824
2. JANE DUNBAR Birth: 10 MAR 1826/ Christening: 08 APR 1826
3. ALEXANDER DUNBARBirth: 06 DEC 1828/ Christening: 21 DEC 1828
4. John DUNBAR Birth: About 1831...submitted entry
5. David DUNBARBirth: About 1834 ...submitted entry
6. Agnes DUNBAR Birth: About 1836 ...submitted entry
7. Catherine DUNBAR Birth: About 1839 ...submitted entry
Monica :)
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Alex
I've been rubbish regarding finding you anything regarding David McK :P He's given numerous birth places on the censuses so hard to get a handle on him at present. A lot more on line regarding Sarah's family including:
www.forres-gazette.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/3679/Dunbar_family,_Forres.html
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/5082/Dunbar.html
Monica :)
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Hi Alex
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Is the son John the line you are following? Possibility the marriage you have found in 1851 may be for another couple as I think there were two different Dunbar mothers, Isabella and Sarah. These are the children showing to a David and Isabella:
1. JAMES MACKENZIE Birth: 06 MAR 1855 Urquhart, Moray
2. ISABELLA MC KENZIE Birth: 29 DEC 1856 Urquhart, Moray
3. DAVID MC KENZIE Birth: 16 SEP 1860 St. Andrews-Lhanbryd, Moray
There is a likely entry in 1861 for this family in St Andrews Lhanbryd with these children, father David is a ploughman b. in Petty Inverness-shire c. 1823.
Regarding the family of David and Sarah (Dunbar), there is one more child showing as born in 1856, also in Alves, CATHERINE MC KENZIE b. 07 OCT 1856. This certificate is available to view on line on Scotlands People. Can't see any more children born to them after this date.
Monica :)
the family I am interested in are david and sarah(dunbar) catherine mckenzie had two brothers John brn 1853 at alves and Alexander brn 1855 also at Alves so it would seem that I was on the wrong track as regards David and Isabella the one I am researching is David who is a direct descendant of mine
thank you
Alex.
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Can't easily see parents in 1881, but could this be Alexander:
Alexander McKenzie 26, Dispatch Clerk, b. Elgin Alves
Bridget McKenzie 25, b. Ireland
Catherine McKenzie 11 Months, b. Edinburgh
Address: 14 No Richmond St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
A check on this Alexander's marriage cert on Scotlands People would let you confirm whether it is the correct Alexander and whether parents show as alive or deceased (and father's occupation). I have checked marriage cert for Alexander mckenzie and Briget mckerran whilst unable to read father,s occupation all other details fit so, yes this is the right family. David and sarah not recorded as deceased
thank you
Alex.
And John in 1881 perhaps:
John McKenzie 27, engine fitter, b. Alves
Mary McKenzie 28
David McKenzie 6
Agnes McKenzie 5
Mary McKenzie 3
John McKenzie 1
John Craig 19, boarder
Address: 4 Milne Sqr, Edinburgh High Church
Monica
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I'm going to take some calculated guesses here Alex until you are able to verify ;) This is the entry that you have for the family in 1861:
David McKenzie 34, police constable, b. Rossshire
Sarah McKenzie 33, b. Morayshire
John McKenzie 8, b. Aberdeenshire
John Ross 32, boarder
Donald Sutherland 21, boarder
Peter Ross 22, boarder
Address:James Court, Edinburgh Tolbooth
I wonder if this could be David and Sarah in 1851:
David MacKenzie 25, gen. lab., b. Creich, Sutherland
Sarah MacKenzie 26, b. Forres
Infant (female) MacKenzie 5 Months, b. Forres
Agnes Dunbar 15, visitor, a wright's daughter, b. Forres
Address: 3 Long Row, Forres
Jumping about a bit here on the censuses now! So we have the family in 1851 with more specific birth places than those showing in 1861. You had the family in Edinburgh for 1861. This looks to be them in 1871:
David McKenzie 46, police constable, b. Kincardine, Rossshire
Sarah McKenzie 46, b. Forres Morayshire
John McKenzie 18, Apprentice Crgenier (?spl), b. Alves
Alexander McKenzie 16, Apprentice Printer, b. Alves
Address: 6 Writers Court, Edinburgh St Giles
Monica
yes the entry I have for the the 1861 census and the 1871 census tally John mckenzie,s occupation is given as an apprentice engineer. from your information I now know why Alexander did not appear in the 1861 census might be a stupid question, but would I be right in saying that sarah dunbar born 2-2- 1824 is the wife of David mckenzie?
Alex
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Looking at the information so far, would certainly look likely that birth entry for Sarah, daughter of John and Agnes, was the wife of David McKenzie :)
I can't see an Old Parish Register for their banns/marriage unfortunately but likely this was before 1851 given that likely 1851 entry.
Re deaths, struggling to see them as yet. Not sure which line you are following (John or Alexander) but would be useful to check both their marriage certs to see what they say regarding parents and whether they showed as alive or deceased at the time of their marriages.
Monica
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Alex
I've been rubbish regarding finding you anything regarding David McK :P He's given numerous birth places on the censuses so hard to get a handle on him at present. A lot more on line regarding Sarah's family including:
www.forres-gazette.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/3679/Dunbar_family,_Forres.html
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/5082/Dunbar.html
Monica :)
once again monica thank you it looks like I,ll have to start on the maternal side of my family as just from your information it seems I may well have relations in new zealand which I never knew about
Alex.
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Looking at the information so far, would certainly look likely that birth entry for Sarah, daughter of John and Agnes, was the wife of David McKenzie :)
I can't see an Old Parish Register for their banns/marriage unfortunately but likely this was before 1851 given that likely 1851 entry.
Re deaths, struggling to see them as yet. Not sure which line you are following (John or Alexander) but would be useful to check both their marriage certs to see what they say regarding parents and whether they showed as alive or deceased at the time of their marriages.
Monica
Hi monica, the line I am following is that of Alexander he married in 1879 in edinburgh his marriage cert does not indicate that his parents were deceased
Alex
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Was David father still showing as a police constable on his son Alexander's 1879 marriage cert?
Monica
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Was David father still showing as a police constable on his son Alexander's 1879 marriage cert?
Monica
it is quite hard to read all the particulars on alexander,s marriage certificate but I don,t think david,s occupation at this time is police constable
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Hard to make out :-\ You should contact SP re 'illegible image' on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 and ask them for help in confirming what it says. They are very good on responding to these requests and will normally email back the an enhanced section of the image. Just add the GROS ref for the image as reference.
In the meantime you could also do a new post on the 'deciphering and recognition help' board here on RC to see what people can make of the occupation shown www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
Monica
Added: Looking at the image. The entry above Alexander and Bridget. The bride's father, John Hutcheson occupation FARMER. I would say that David McKenzie's occupation/writing looks the same...?!
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Hard to make out :-\ You should contact SP re 'illegible image' on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 and ask them for help in confirming what it says. They are very good on responding to these requests and will normally email back the an enhanced section of the image. Just add the GROS ref for the image as reference.
In the meantime you could also do a new post on the 'deciphering and recognition help' board here on RC to see what people can make of the occupation shown www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
Monica
Added: Looking at the image. The entry above Alexander and Bridget. The bride's father, John Hutcheson occupation FARMER. I would say that David McKenzie's occupation/writing looks the same...?!
hi Monica, yes I thought that the occupation was either farmer or farrier I will do as you have suggested as regards the above I am going to a search on scotlandspeople to see if I can find a death certificate for either alexander or john to see what that might reveal as I still no further forward in discoverind David husband of sarah,s origins
alex
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Hard to make out :-\ You should contact SP re 'illegible image' on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 and ask them for help in confirming what it says. They are very good on responding to these requests and will normally email back the an enhanced section of the image. Just add the GROS ref for the image as reference.
In the meantime you could also do a new post on the 'deciphering and recognition help' board here on RC to see what people can make of the occupation shown www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
Monica
Added: Looking at the image. The entry above Alexander and Bridget. The bride's father, John Hutcheson occupation FARMER. I would say that David McKenzie's occupation/writing looks the same...?!
hi Monica, yes I thought that the occupation was either farmer or farrier I will do as you have suggested as regards the above I am going to a search on scotlandspeople to see if I can find a death certificate for either alexander or john to see what that might reveal as I still no further forward in discoverind David husband of sarah,s origins
alex
Hi monica, I,ve now got a more readable version of the marriage cert for alexander and bridget and yes the occupation of his father (david) is given as farmer still having difficulty as regards david,s death cert have tried numerous searches on scotlands people using different variants and age ranges but as yet with no joy any ideas and suggestions as to how I might narrow down this search would be most appreciated
Alex.
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Hi Alex
I've tried searches as well and no joy :-\ The search that is normally easier to do is for wives as you can search with both maiden and married surnames....also no joy for Sarah ???
Nothing on the 1881 census that connect to them either.
Frustrating.
Monica
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Hi Alex
I've tried searches as well and no joy :-\ The search that is normally easier to do is for wives as you can search with both maiden and married surnames....also no joy for Sarah ???
Nothing on the 1881 census that connect to them either.
Frustrating.
Monica
hi Monica I,ve searched on scotlandspeople including 1881 census, death certs for both david and sarah banns for them and batism christening for david to no avail there just does not sem to be anything regarding these. as you said frustrating I feel as I am running into a brick wall full pelt running out of ideas and places to look for these two.
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Hi Alex
The only entry that sticks out for me in 1881 (also showing in 1891 in same situation) is:
David MacKenzie, 48, Coachman & Public House Keeper, b. Forres, Morayshire - patient at the Edinburgh Insane Asylum in Morningside Edinburgh.
One of the reasons I asked earlier what occupation showed for father David on Alexander's marriage entry....but that came back as farmer so no clues there.
Can't see anything for them on the English census either so not sure where they have ended up between 1871 and 1881 ???
Monica
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Police service records for Midlothian for this period I wonder? Not sure what there is for this region and where they would be stored. Some of the service records I have seen carry quite a bit of personal information including where someone was born.
We have a RC member who is a historian in this area for a different county. I'll send him a PM and see if he can advice where to look.... :)
Monica
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To find out about the man's police career, best strarting place would be Lothian & Borders Police http://www.lbp.police.uk which covers Edinburgh and the surrounding former counties.
Chances are their records/archives are held by the Council but an email to the Force would be first try.
Hope that helps
Dave
hi, I am looking for help in tracing the father of David mckenzie and this being a completely new hobby to me any help or info would be greatly appreciated. The information that I have so far is that David mckenzie residing in the parish of Alves and Isabella Dunbar residing in parish of Golspie had the reading of their wedding banns commence on the 7 of december 1851. There is no date given for the wedding service They had two children John born 1853 at alves and Alexander born 1855 also at Alves. The 1861 census shows David and family in Edinburgh he is shown as being aged 34 and a police constable isabella would now seem to be known as Sarah and John is shown as an 8 year old scholar.
My problem is that I cannot find either a batism record for David or a death certificate from which I could learn his parents names and any other info regarding the same I,ve tried to be as brief as possible with this post as well as posting as much info as I can any help or advice would be gratefully received
Alex.
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Thanks Dave :)
Monica
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Hi Alex
The only entry that sticks out for me in 1881 (also showing in 1891 in same situation) is:
David MacKenzie, 48, Coachman & Public House Keeper, b. Forres, Morayshire - patient at the Edinburgh Insane Asylum in Morningside Edinburgh.
One of the reasons I asked earlier what occupation showed for father David on Alexander's marriage entry....but that came back as farmer so no clues there.
Can't see anything for them on the English census either so not sure where they have ended up between 1871 and 1881 ???
Monica
Hi Monica, I don,t think that is the same david, as I have my david as being married to sarah dunbar on the 1841 census so the age would be wrong. How is it possible for two people to disappear like thes two have? I really appreciate the time and effort you have put in on this for me.
Alex.
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Hi Alex
I only posted that 1881 census entry as the only one with any reference to what we have so far on David (Midlothian connection and link to Forres)!
I would follow up the links suggested by Dave to see whether there are any records of David on the police service archives. If there are any to be found, they could well help to fill out the picture.
Monica
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Hi Alex
I only posted that 1881 census entry as the only one with any reference to what we have so far on David (Midlothian connection and link to Forres)!
I would follow up the links suggested by Dave to see whether there are any records of David on the police service archives. If there are any to be found, they could well help to fill out the picture.
Monica
Hi Monica
I have been in touch with the lothian and borders police who informed me that all historical records were passed to the city of edinburgh council I have been in touch with them and am now waiting a reply
Alex.
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To find out about the man's police career, best strarting place would be Lothian & Borders Police http://www.lbp.police.uk which covers Edinburgh and the surrounding former counties.
Chances are their records/archives are held by the Council but an email to the Force would be first try.
Hope that helps
Dave
hi dave thanks for pointing me in the direction of the police records I have been advised that lothian and borders police passed all historical records to edinburgh city council so I am now waiting to hear from them
Alex
hi, I am looking for help in tracing the father of David mckenzie and this being a completely new hobby to me any help or info would be greatly appreciated. The information that I have so far is that David mckenzie residing in the parish of Alves and Isabella Dunbar residing in parish of Golspie had the reading of their wedding banns commence on the 7 of december 1851. There is no date given for the wedding service They had two children John born 1853 at alves and Alexander born 1855 also at Alves. The 1861 census shows David and family in Edinburgh he is shown as being aged 34 and a police constable isabella would now seem to be known as Sarah and John is shown as an 8 year old scholar.
My problem is that I cannot find either a batism record for David or a death certificate from which I could learn his parents names and any other info regarding the same I,ve tried to be as brief as possible with this post as well as posting as much info as I can any help or advice would be gratefully received
Alex.
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Hi Alex
I only posted that 1881 census entry as the only one with any reference to what we have so far on David (Midlothian connection and link to Forres)!
I would follow up the links suggested by Dave to see whether there are any records of David on the police service archives. If there are any to be found, they could well help to fill out the picture.
Monica
Hi Monica I have finally received the police records for david mckenzie from lothian and borders police unfortunately they only contain a physical description his police number his warrant number when he joined and when he was stationed no other information. seeing as i can find nothing on scotlandspeople after 1871 census or indeed death certificates for either david or sarah would this perhaps indicate that they may have left the country and if so could you give me any pointers on how I would go about checking this out
Alex
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Hi Alex
Hard to say what happened to David and Isabella :-\ There is certainly no obvious deaths for them in Scotland. Maybe the reference to David being a farmer in son Alexander's marriage cert. might indicate that they emigrated....but all guesses at this stage.
I did check the English censuses and couldn't find an obvious entry for them there.
Monica
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Hi Monica I have finally received the police records for david mckenzie from lothian and borders police unfortunately they only contain a physical description his police number his warrant number when he joined and when he was stationed no other information. seeing as i can find nothing on scotlandspeople after 1871 census or indeed death certificates for either david or sarah would this perhaps indicate that they may have left the country and if so could you give me any pointers on how I would go about checking this out
Alex
for what it is worth, there was a history of police officers going from Scottish police forces to Colonial ones: Hong Kong, Shanghai, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa to name but a few. Sorry but I have no clue how you could follow that up. In those days, there was nothing so simple as a "transfer" between forces, and some Chief constables got rather upset if they found out that an officer was planning to leave to go to another force, so that fact was not always made known when the cop left the force. Undoubtedly though, had he gone to another force, there would have been some record of it, since the "new" force would likely seek a certificate of confirmation as to the officer's length of service and conduct. Having said that, some Forces did issue certificates automatically in lieu of a reference.
Best regards
Dave
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Hi Monica I have finally received the police records for david mckenzie from lothian and borders police unfortunately they only contain a physical description his police number his warrant number when he joined and when he was stationed no other information. seeing as i can find nothing on scotlandspeople after 1871 census or indeed death certificates for either david or sarah would this perhaps indicate that they may have left the country and if so could you give me any pointers on how I would go about checking this out
Alex
for what it is worth, there was a history of police officers going from Scottish police forces to Colonial ones: Hong Kong, Shanghai, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa to name but a few. Sorry but I have no clue how you could follow that up. In those days, there was nothing so simple as a "transfer" between forces, and some Chief constables got rather upset if they found out that an officer was planning to leave to go to another force, so that fact was not always made known when the cop left the force. Undoubtedly though, had he gone to another force, there would have been some record of it, since the "new" force would likely seek a certificate of confirmation as to the officer's length of service and conduct. Having said that, some Forces did issue certificates automatically in lieu of a reference.
Best regards
Dave
Hi Dave, It would seem that david has changed his occupation from police constable to farmer on his son alexander,s wedding cert given that i can find no trace of them in scotland or england after 1871 census or indeed on any other documentation I am now considering that they may, just may have emigrated to new zealand to join sarah,s siblings who had all ready emigrated long shot but I,ve got no other ideas as to where to go now thanks for your help
best regards,
Alex.
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Alex
Why don't you try a post on the New Zealand or Australian emigrants boards here on RC? Hopefully people with access to more specific resources for there could have a look around.
Monica :)
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Alex
Why don't you try a post on the New Zealand or Australian emigrants boards here on RC? Hopefully people with access to more specific resources for there could have a look around.
Monica :)
Hi Monica, I,ll give that a try however as I said it is a bit of a long shot based on pure guesswork and a lack of any other documentation in this country however the good news is that I might ,just might have discovered the batism records for david on scotlands people it,s the only one I can find for that area and timeline which would seem to fit and the date of birth would fit perfectly for david given the other info known
best regards
Alex.
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Which entry do you have? Let's see if it matches my best guess!
Monica :)
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Which entry do you have? Let's see if it matches my best guess!
Monica :)
Hi Monica clutching at sraws but just maybe
Alex
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Which entry do you have? Let's see if it matches my best guess!
Monica :)
Hi Monica, maybe just maybe what do you think?
Alex
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That's the one :) The reasons I though this one was interesting:
David's birth places from the censuses we have him in:
1851: b. Creich, Sutherland
1861: b. Rossshire
1871: b. Kincardine, Rossshire
There is also another child showing for this couple:
KATE MC KENZIE Christening: 25 NOV 1829 Kincardine, Ross And Cromarty
And then this 1841 census entry - not sure whether this has been transcribed correctly as McKay or whether the original maybe closer to McKenzie or variants:
Kate MacKay 50
Kate MacKay 11
Address: Clashenglas, Creich, Sutherland
I wondered if David stated Creich in his 1851 census entry because he had lived there some time as a child but in later years gave his correct birth place as Kincarine, Rossshire.
Monica
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That's the one :) The reasons I though this one was interesting:
David's birth places from the censuses we have him in:
1851: b. Creich, Sutherland
1861: b. Rossshire
1871: b. Kincardine, Rossshire
There is also another child showing for this couple:
KATE MC KENZIE Christening: 25 NOV 1829 Kincardine, Ross And Cromarty
And then this 1841 census entry - not sure whether this has been transcribed correctly as McKay or whether the original maybe closer to McKenzie or variants:
Kate MacKay 50
Kate MacKay 11
Address: Clashenglas, Creich, Sutherland
I wondered if David stated Creich in his 1851 census entry because he had lived there some time as a child but in later years gave his correct birth place as Kincarine, Rossshire.
Monica
Hi Monica, reached this david somewhat along the lines you have given i.e. areas given for his birth place on the different censuses and a process of elimination from searches on scotlandspeople tried to find david on the 1841 census but failed all though he would be about 14 then so will keep trying are you suggesting that the kate mckay 50 and the kate mckay 11 in the 1841 census might in fact be his mother and sister and do you think this is in fact the proper David?
regards
Alex.
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I don't know Alex :-\ It's our best guesses in the absence of fact at this stage. I've just double checked on SP. From general searches on the 1841 census, the two Kates shows as MacKay, so not sure about this entry therefore at this stage.
There are a couple of entries showing in 1841 for a David M(a)cKenzie (and variants) in his age group working as a farm servant/ lab. He could be any of them. Hard to connect always on the 1841 census given it has such limited info and specially if someone is away from family.
Monica
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I don't know Alex :-\ It's our best guesses in the absence of fact at this stage. I've just double checked on SP. From general searches on the 1841 census, the two Kates shows as MacKay, so not sure about this entry therefore at this stage.
There are a couple of entries showing in 1841 for a David M(a)cKenzie (and variants) in his age group working as a farm servant/ lab. He could be any of them. Hard to connect always on the 1841 census given it has such limited info and specially if someone is away from family.
Monica
Hi Monica, so it looks like a right brickwall unless I can come up with a death cert for david. I have been in touch with a relative of sarah dunbar in New Zealand and she is going to see if she can come up with anything out there as regards their possible emigration although I,m now clutching at straws also going to do as you suggested and post a lookup on the new zealand board here in rootschat
thank for your continuing help it,s much appreciated.
Alex.