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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: laceytreigh on Friday 17 July 09 08:25 BST (UK)
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Hi Helpful People,
I have been in contact with a person in England, Christine, who may (or more that likely not) share an ancestor with me.
I offered to help her try and track his life in Australia, but I'm stumped already. She's ok with me asking you folks for help. Here's the story so far:
Christine's grandfather, Henry Adams, was born on 25 December 1895 in Bethnal Green, London. He had no middle name.
His parents were William George Adams and Jane Sophia Adams[nee Ormes].
Henry married Emily in 1919. The story was that he was wounded in WW1 and she nursed him.
In 1920 when Christine's father, Robert was born, Henry was living in Hackney, London. He was a borough surveyors' clerk. Their 2nd child Allen lived for a few months and died. When Emily was expecting their 3rd child, Henry disappeared. Emily named the 3rd child Peter Allen Adams.
The family received a letter for Robert, dated January 1925 but postmarked August 1925 from Henry. It was posted in Birregurra, Victoria, Australia.
Christine feels that Henry might have changed his name. Allen is a possibility due to his 2nd child.
I have searched NSW BDM for deaths for Henry Adams and Allen Adams. I don't have access to Vic BDM. There is no record for either name travelling to Australia in ozships or findmypast.
Is this a hopeless cause?? Thanks.
Tracey.
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Hello, and welcome.
a quick search by mother's maiden name was not helpful only 2 individuals with Ormes as a maiden name from 1921-85.
Looking for henry/allen/alan/adams etc also not helpful as there were no matches with the parents names at all and the following had no parents details but were closish in age.
1956 Alfred Henry Geo ADAMS
Age: 69 Death Place: WONT#19646
1972: Henry Clifford ADAMS
Age: 77 Death Place: TATU # 22160
1978 Harold ADAMS
Age: 81 Death Place: CAUL # 15341
1981: Harry Stanley ADAMS
Death Place: ?? # 03102
regards
Robyn
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Hi tracey,
I mention this with some hesitancy becuase it is, as they say, a stretch of the imagination, but as you have nothing much....here goes....
There is a burial at BIRREGURRA Cemetery for WILLIAM HENRY ALLEN
ALLEN was, as you suggested, a possible for "a new name"
Your Henry's father was WILLIAM.
Of interest also is this man's date of death which is 27th August 1925.
Now, you do not give us a day of August for the postmark of the letter to young Robert.
Does this look a possibility to you?
there are no otherdetails on the file I have, but perhaps another chatter may see the death and offer more.
Sue
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Hi Sparrett,
I checked out his death rego and the William Henry Allen who died aged 52 in 1925 had parents John Allen and Susan McSporran. #10544. So although tempting I feel it is a red herring. Of course he may have been empoying Henry Adams, I wonder what his occpation was.
regards
Robyn
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Mmm..
Does look a bit dubious.
So, as you say, maybe not ;D
Sue
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Curiouser and curiouser....... as Alice said........
Thanks for your help. I think it may be a bit much to solve.
Tracey.
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Going back to WW1, there is a service record on Ancestry for Henry Adams (occ Clerk) of 139 Clark St, Bethnal Green aged 18 years and 2 months on 17 Feb 1914. He didn't last long as he was declared unfit due to defective vision and was discharged on 27 Mar 1914.
Regards
April
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when i went on freebdm i can see a Emily Ridge marrying a Henry J ADAMS in 1919 in Croyden bethnal green, are these the same people?? If so it looks like he did have a middle name and he could be using that??
Wendy
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i can now see Emily's last name was Jones...
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No, he would be the Henry Adams marrying Emily Jones in 1919 at Bethnal Green
April
(crossed paths with last post)
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Hi All,
It seems we may have a partial solution to this mystery. My contact Christine, has found a death record:
Henry Adams [m] of Oakbank
died 12/9/1950 aged 56years
Adelaide Hospital
book 759 page 5039
Seems he went to S.A.
Thanks for your help.
Tracey.
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Hi,
It will be nice to see what inforattion is on the certificate. I hope you decide to purchase it to see if this is really your Henry Adams.
regards
Robyn
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It will be nice to see what inforattion is on the certificate. I hope you decide to purchase it to see if this is really your Henry Adams.
The SA death certificates are very poor on identifying information- no names of spouses, children etc and if there are no relative names on the index there will be only the following information, if known to the informant.
1908-1947
* Date and Place of Death
* Name
* Sex
* Age
* Occupation
* Usual Residence
* Birthplace
* Length of Residence in Commonwealth
* Age at Marriage
* Number of Issue Living and Deceased
* Cause of Death
* Place of Death
* Informant
1948-1967
As for 1908-1947 with the addition of
* Place of Burial
If you are keen to purchase then a transcription service is offered by the South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society. It is actually a transcription from the district registers not the death certificate itself.
http://www.saghs.org.au/research.htm#transcription
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks for that info. I will pass it on to Christine and see what she wants to do. He practically dropped off the face of the earth when he came to Australia, so I would think any information is more than what she currently has.
Tracey.
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Hi Tracey
This may be a long shot since this thread was last updated 9 years ago, but having just gone on one of my random searchings by surname in my tree, I came across your thread.
I am a descendant of Henry Adam's grandfather Robert Ormes (c.1843-1922).
If you're still researching this, let me know, maybe we can pool resources. It'd be great to hear from you (and your contact Christine).
Thanks,
Hannah
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Hi Hannah,
Thanks for getting in touch. It took me a while to find Christine's email address, as I haven't had any contact with her since 2011, but I found it. I'll contact her and ask her if it's ok for me to pass it on to you. It's been so long since I've been on this website I forget if it's possible to send a private message. If possible, can you send me one, maybe with your email address and I can pass it on?
Thanks,
Tracey.
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Hi Tracey
I have sent you a pm.
Merry Christmas!
Thank you,
Hannah