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hello does anyone have any information on Pierre Tielle who married Margaret Nicholson in 1860 and possibly had three children unnamed child 1863 william 1864 and martha 1866. Martha went on to marry james haining in riverton nz in 1882, william married norah? and unnamed is as unnamed don't know whether boy or girl and who they married any information regarding above name people from census or bdm or family would be great thanks
regards gemini
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Hi Gemini
Martha shows up on the NZ Marriage Index as "Matty" TIELLE (m. James HAINING 1882) ... but I can't immediately find a marriage in NZ for the son William TIELLE.
As for the unamed child born 1863 I'm also a bit puzzled.
When you see an index listing with "unamed" ... it quite often indicates that a child has died very soon after its birth ... but there is nothing in this case, listed in the death index. ???
EDIT : Have found the death of the child born 1863 - died in the same year - listed as "unamed MALE" :
Can you tell me how the surname "TIELLE" is pronounced ?
(There is no "soundex" facility with the NZ online BDM - so we all have to use our imaginations as to miss-spellings. :D )
Lu
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Hi again Gemini
Oooh ! ::)
I wondered why, when I looked on the NZ Marriage index and saw two TIELLE marriages, one for Pierre in 1860 and another for "a Peter TIELLE" in 1866 whether they were in fact the same men (Peter being the anglicised form of Pierre) ??
Indeed they are the same man !!! And in December 1866, Pierre was charged with bigamy for having married a "Mary Ann BROWN" whilst his first wife (Margaret), was still know to be alive !!
The article I found wasn't very detailed ... but I'll have another look and will post a reference on here for you.
Lu
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Hi
These are the links to articles re: Pierre / Peter TIELLE :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
North Otago Times - 7 December 1866 - (articled under heading of "The Oamaru Times and WAITAKI REPORTER ... "
and
Otago Witness - 8 December 1866 - "News of the Week"
You'll possibly find other information for your families at the PapersPast website. William seems to be mentioned.
from census or bdm or family would be great thanks
Unfortunately there are NO census records available for NZ .
Lu
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Here are the TIELLE deaths (up to 1940) from the BDM online index :
1901 - Pierre - 74 years
1903 - Margaret - 77 years
[Archives New Zealand (Dunedin office) hold a probate record for TIELLE - Margaret - widow - of Orepuki : See the Archives NZ website for further details if you wish to purchase this ]
1902 - Peirre ? - 10 months
(Born 1901 - Pierre TIELLE - son of William and Norah)
1918 - William John - age not recorded (WWI death - refer to later posting)
1929 - Norah - 65 years
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Here's a link to Southland Cemeteries which you can search yourself (it's a bit slow I'm afraid). I tried to find TIELLE at the Orepuki cemetery, but there was no one of that name, so you might just have to go through the list till you find them.
http://cemeterysearch.southlanddc.govt.nz/
Lu
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Hi again Gemini
You can search the NZ BDM indexes online ... there are quite a few children to William and Norah / Nora TIELLE :
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/
Lu
PS : Some of the HAINING children's births, have their mother's name spelt as "Martha" and others "Mattie" :
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Hi
It does look as if the TIELLE name was not carried on the New Zealand, with the loss of both of Norah and William's sons.
William John TIELLE died in WWI :
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=154276
The Auckland Museum Cenotaph database ("google" for link) also has an entry for William John.
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william married norah?
Hi
There is NO marriage listed on NZ Index for a "William TIELLE"
(I've tried all sorts of variations of the name and also searched using the bride's name).
Have discovered this marriage though (Source: NZSG Marriages 1836-1956 CD) which I think is very likely to be "William TIELLE" ?
William TILLIE - Norah CORKERY - 1888
Lu
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:D hello lu
Thank you very much for the info you gave me, you have confirmed what I have already found except for the marriage of William and Norah. I have another query this one regarding Theresa Martha Hall who left New Zealand aged 4 years old. We have not been able to find any information on her and was wondering whether she could have been adopted and if there is any connection between the name Martha Trielby Haining (daughter of Mattie and James Haining) and Theresa Martha Hall. Theresa Martha Hall married Francis Robert Fitzgerald in 1919 and they had two sons Francis Robert Fitzgerald 1919 and Ronald Joseph Fitzgerald 1922
regards maggie
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I have another query this one regarding Theresa Martha Hall who left New Zealand aged 4 years old.
Hi Maggie
I can't see a birth in New Zealand for this Theresa Martha
HALL ??
You haven't said when she left NZ ... so I don't know when she was born ?
* Where did she marry ?
* Do you have her marriage cert ?
Lu
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Hi again
Re: The HAINING family
Did part of this family move to Australia ?
I couldn't see a death in New Zealand for Mattie (Martha) ?
[There was one which could possibly have been her husband James ?)
Also found two of the HAINING sons died in NSW .... did one of the others sons, remain in NZ ?
Lu
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hello lu
well i am not sure as we trying to find out if martha trielby haining daughter of Martha/Mattie Tielle who married James Haining in 1882 in New Zealand and Theresa Martha Hall are the one and the same person both being born in 1903. Theresa Martha Hall left New Zealand at the age of 4. Theresa Martha Hall married Francis Robert Fitzgerald in Australia and later married William John Donnison also in Australia. Can I have the names of the haining sons in nsw please.
regards maggie
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Can I have the names of the haining sons in nsw please.
Sure ... I'll post them in the morning (it's bedtime in Kiwiland right now). ;)
Lu
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Hi Maggie
I'll firstly list the HAINING births from the NZ Index (they may be of some help in sorting out the puzzle ?)
1885 - William Hirstfield HAINING - s/o Martha and James
1886 - Margaret Annie HAINING - d/o Mattie and James
1888 - James Peter HAINING - s/o Martha and James
1890 - Ivon Robert John HAINING - s/o Martha and James
1893 - Omega Gordon HAINING - s/o Martha and James
1898 - Robert Norman HAINING - s/o Mattie and James
1903 - Martha Trielby HAINING - d/o Martha and James
[Note: HAINING - there are not very many records for this surname in New Zealand so you'd have to guess that there was only one couple named James and Martha/Mattie HAINING ?]
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AUSTRALIAN DEATHS - from NSW Index
1588 / 1958
HAINING - James Peter - s/o James & Martha - reg'd. Burwood
41175 / 1969
HAINING - Robert Norman - s/o James and Mattie - reg'd. Newtown
[I haven't searched any other AUS indexes : ]
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HAINING children
Margaret Annie HAINING - birth reg'd. NZ - 1886 :
Possible marriage ? [Source: NZSG Marriages CD]
Margaret Ann HAINING - Joseph BERRYMAN - 1907
NZ Death Index
BERRYMAN - Margaret Ann - d. 1975 - d.o.b. given as 15 July 1885 ??
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HAINING children
The Auckland Museum Cenotaph website has the following listings for two WW1 soldiers :
HAINING - George (sic) Omego - # 6/2147
Next of Kin: J. Haining (father) c/- J. Berryman *, Kings Avenue, Balgownie, Wanganui, NZ
[Christian name has been listed incorrectly - Archives NZ has WW1 service record in the name of "Gordon Omego HAINING" ]
* The "J. Berryman" connection in the above address, makes it seem likely that this could be the husband of Margaret Ann HAINING ??
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HAINING - Ivon John Robert - # 10/3577
Next of Kin: J. Haining (father) - Kings Avenue, Wanganui :
Marriage - NZ index
Ivon John Robert HAINING - Violet Constance BARNES - 1920
Death - NZ index
1975 - HAINING - Ivon John Robert - aged 75 years
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well i am not sure as we trying to find out if martha trielby haining daughter of Martha/Mattie Tielle who married James Haining in 1882 in New Zealand and Theresa Martha Hall are the one and the same person both being born in 1903.
Hi Maggie
Hmmm ... I'm finding this a little puzzling, 'cos you haven't said whether (mother) Martha HAINING left New Zealand and went to Australia ? :D
It would seem that her husband James was in (Wanganui - North Island) around the time his sons enlisted for war 1914-15 ... and also that the other daughter Margaret Ann (Margaret Annie?) was also there ?
I couldn't find a NZ death for a Mattie or Martha HAINING ?
There is a death registration for a James HAINING 1941 (place unknown) - aged 91 years - born circa 1850 ... but I can't confirm this is the right James ?
Did then, Mattie (Martha) leave for Australia around 1907 .... taking her youngest daughter Martha Trielby HAINING, with her ??
Lu
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I have another query this one regarding Theresa Martha Hall who left New Zealand aged 4 years old. We have not been able to find any information on her and was wondering whether she could have been adopted and if there is any connection between the name Martha Trielby Haining (daughter of Mattie and James Haining) and Theresa Martha Hall. Theresa Martha Hall married Francis Robert Fitzgerald ...
Hi again
Well, based on the supposition that Mattie (Martha) went to live in Australia c. 1907 and took her young daughter Martha Trielby HAINING with her, I've come up with the following (having though, only limited access to Australian records.)
WWII records for the FITZGERALD sons of Teresa (Theresa) HALL, show that they enlisted in WA. (Mother's name given as both Teresa DONNISON and Teresa FITZGERALD. Also a WW11 record for William John DONNISON (of WA) - n.o.k. Teresa DONNISON ).
The death is noted on the WA cemeteries website for Teresa Martha DONNISON - d. 17 May 1981 - aged 78 (bc 1903).
AND ... also on the WA cemeteries site, at Karrakatta RC Cemetery - a "Martha HALL - died 26 September 1945 - aged 79 years" ... born c. 1866. ???
Are we on the "same page" ? :D
Do you think that this Martha HALL (d. 1945) is the mother of Teresa HALL ??
[Teresa Martha HALL + Martha Trielby HAINING - both born 1903 ?
Martha HAINING (nee TIELLE) born 1866 + Martha HALL also born 1866. ] :-\
* Do you have death certs for either Teresa DONNISON or Martha HAINING ... (or Martha HALL) ??
Lu
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Hi Lu
Thank you very much for all the info, I had all of Martha/Mattie's children to James Haining but I didn't have the death details.
Hmmm ... I'm finding this a little puzzling, 'cos you haven't said whether (mother) Martha HAINING left New Zealand and went to Australia ?
I don't know whether Martha Haining did go to Australia but I presume she must have if her husband James Haining went if he did go to Australia or did he stay behind in NZ. I must try and find the 1907 shipping records for them as Theresa was 4 years old when she left New Zealand but I am puzzle why the name change if there was a name change, as my sister (this is her husband's side of the tree) said that Theresa Hall had a sister call Margaret Hall/Haining.
I have no death cert for Theresa Donnison just this bit of info
First Names Last Name Application Number
TERESA MARTHA DONNISON KC00067036
Names are only recorded in capitals See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) Date of Death Suburb
78 17/05/1981 MANDURAH
wwii records is correct with both sons joining up in wa as well as Theresa/Teresa's second husband William Donnison also joining up.
AND ... also on the WA cemeteries site, at Karrakatta RC Cemetery - a "Martha HALL - died 26 September 1945 - aged 79 years" ... born c. 1866.
Martha Tielle who married James Haining was born in 1866 but if that is her why the name change? did she marry again? Martha Trielby Haining and Teresa/Theresa Martha Hall were both born in 1903 in NZ
Where did James die in Australia or NZ
There is a death registration for a James HAINING 1941 (place unknown) - aged 91 years - born circa 1850 ... but I can't confirm this is the right James ?
I have not been able to find a marriage for Teresa/Theresa Hall but she married Francis Robert Fitzgerald then William John Donnison. I have not found a Marriage for Martha Trielby Haining in any place.
Two of James and Martha's sons also came out to australia as well since you found their deaths in Australia
Like you i am wondering if half the family came to nz and martha married again and half the family stayed behind with James?
regards maggie
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Hi Maggie
Intriguing huh ?
Can you tell me please, what details you already have for this Teresa HALL ?
* How is it that you know she left NZ for Australia when she was 4 years old ? (Where does that info come from ?)
* Are the TIELLE and HAINING families already connected in some way to your sister's husbands family ?
* Or is it only Teresa HALL who is connected ?
Any extra info you can give here, will make the job to solving this mystery, a little bit easier.
Lu
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hi lu
Teresa Hall is my brother in law's grandmother on his father's side. He was told she left aged 4.
Martha Trielby Haining or maybe Teresa Martha Hall married Francis Robert Fitzgerald.
Son Fitzgerald
Father Francis Robert Fitzgerald marry Evelyn Rooks
Grandfather Francis Robert Fitzgerald marries Theresa/Teresa Martha Hall or Martha Trielby Haining. (if they might be the same person) she later married William John Donnison.
Great Grandfather James Haining (father of Martha Trielby Haining) married Martha Tielle
Great Great Grandfather Pierre Tielle (father of Martha Tielle) married Margaret Nicholson.
it's a bit confusing but on Francis Robert Fitzgerald marriage certificate to Evelyn Rooks his parents were listed as Francis Robert Fitzgerald and Teresa Hall.
but according to brother in law his grandmother was nickname trilby
and according to your earlier records two of the haining boys came to australia. Teresa Hall has a sister Rena Margaret Hall who suppose to have married Robert Haining one of the boys you found in the death section.
Did Martha nee haining marry again and hence teresa hall
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Hi Maggie
Great. That's making a little more sense to me now. ;)
Obviously, we always have to treat "family stories" with a little caution ... at least till we can back them up with "facts".
The info you've given about Teresa HALL having the nickname "Trilby" certainly seems to indicate that she was perhaps the former "Martha Trielby HAINING". (You have the "fact" that Teresa also came from NZ; a matching birth year with "Martha Trielby" and "Martha" retained as Teresa's middle name; plus this "Trilby" nickname ... which I would say, is quite an unusual name.) So yes, all the "evidence" you have so far, looks very positive.
* Regarding the sister of Teresa HALL ... Rena Margaret HALL ... was she younger than Teresa ??
(I ask, because as you know, Martha Trielby HAINING seems to have had a much older sister named Margaret Annie HAINING (b. 1886). )
Lu
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Did Martha nee haining marry again and hence teresa hall
What I think could have happened, is that Martha HAINING (nee TIELLE), has taken off to Australia with (at least) her youngest child ("Martha Trielby"). Martha HAINING has either re-married (nor not), a Mr HALL, and her young daughter has taken on the "stepfather's" surname. (Why she has come to be known a "Teresa", is a bit of a mystery though ?)
Incidentally, I can't see a divorce for James and Martha HAINING in NZ.
Lu
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hi lu
i just can't explain it all a big mystery trying to find out. According to the brother in law teresa's sister was rena margaret hall who married a robert haining. I haven't been able to find a marriage for them. And those two boys you found in nsw death are martha and james haining two sons. I will ask tomorrow who was the eldest i am not sure if rena is still alive. You have been a great help and thank you.
regards maggie
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Hi Maggie
Was just having a look around the WA BDM website and found what I think could have been an earlier marriage for Rena ??? (Surely there was only one Rena Margaret HALL ? ) :D
Apparently due to copyright, I'm not allowed to post the marriage reference here ... but if you go to following site, you can find it.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Lu
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According to the brother in law teresa's sister was rena margaret hall who married a robert haining. I haven't been able to find a marriage for them.
Hi Maggie
There's this reference too, which may be the lady whose marriage record is on the WA site ?
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/GenResearch.html
[Click on "Search all MCB records"]
Rena Margaret BUTLER (Known as "Margaret")
Suburb : Bayswater
Died : 24 December 2005 - aged 95 years (born c. 1910).
Karrakatta Cemetery - cremation record
Lu
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Hi Lu
Thank you but according to brother in law she isn't the right one. Some confusion about having same surname hmmm Rena Margaret Hall and Robert Hall oh well have to keep searching >:(
Maggie
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yep forgot to mention
I think I may have found Martha Haining shipping record how can I tell if that is her, how old she was on that shipping record
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
about Miss M Haining
Name: Miss M Haining
Port of Departure: Auckland
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 19 Jan 1907
Vessel Name: Victoria
regards maggie
I didn't find anything else like the rest of her family there was a Mr and Mrs Haining they were on a different ship to brisbane in 1890
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Thank you but according to brother in law she isn't the right one. Some confusion about having same surname hmmm Rena Margaret Hall and Robert Hall oh well have to keep searching >:(
Oh drat ! :D Back to the drawing board huh ?
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yep forgot to mention
I think I may have found Martha Haining shipping record how can I tell if that is her, how old she was on that shipping record
Hi Maggie
Can't really help you with this as I don't see the record online.
Did you find it on A*****y ? (I saw an index of sorts there, but i don't have a subscription to the site.)
Difficult to know if it is a "4-year-old Miss M. HAINING" - a small child would need to be travelling with an adult I'd think.
There seems to be a microfiche (or microfilm) version of this 1826-1922 NSW Unassisted Passengers List. If that is like the list for earlier voyages to NSW, then it might be also indexed by ship's name ... i.e. "Victoria" 1907 ... and you could look to see the names of others on the same voyage.
Lu
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Hi Maggie
Well, wish I'd seen the thread on the OZ board re: FITZGERALD (by "Kazo") a little sooner. ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392841.0.html
I wasn't aware until now, that the marriages of Teresa Margaret HALL had actually been found !
So, as has been suggested on this other thread, the marriage certificate (or certificates) for Teresa, should provide you with the necessary information to determine who her parents were, and where she was born.
Lu
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Hi Lu
yep that's my sister doing her bit, they haven't got a marriage certificate for Teresa Martha Hall and she still has the same prob regarding whether Teresa Martha Hall is Martha Trielby Haining
regards Maggie
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The marriage certificate would detail the maiden name of the bride's mother and more importantly the bride's place of birth.
Cando
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yep that's my sister doing her bit, they haven't got a marriage certificate for Teresa Martha Hall and she still has the same prob ....
Hi Maggie
At the risk of sounding like "a record needle, stuck in a groove", I can only emphasise the point that other RC'ers have made in these two threads.
If you (and/ or, your sister) seriously want to solve this "problem", then the way forward is to purchase the marriage record (or records) for Teresa HALL.
There is only so much that fellow RootsChatters can do for you ... finding records which may help in your quest, offering clues or possible scenarios. [ All information given free ... and freely.] But that's where it ends, and the "next move" is over to you, hopefully based on the recommendations made in this forum.
Best of luck. :)
(And do feel free to pop back here and let us all know the outcome ... or if you need any more assistance. ) :)
Lu
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Hi Lu
I understand and thank you very much for all your help and the info you supplied. I have suggested to my sister to buy the marriage cert
all the best
Maggie :) ;)
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just letting you know that she got the marriage certificate and it didn't show any parents hmmmm oh well
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Hi Maggie
OH ... dear ! ::)
So was this for Teresa HALL's first marriage to FITZGERALD ??
Lu
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hi lu
Yes her first marriage to Francis Robert Fitzgerald. Surprise there was no parents shown ??? oh well sis and I can just keep searching :)
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Hi Maggie
OK
* Does the certificate give her age ?
* Does it state her place of birth ?
* Who were the witnesses to the marriage ?
* What was the date of marriage ?
[Incidentally, did the bridegroom Francis list HIS parents names ?]
Lu
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Hi Lu here is the image report, sis was wondering if she brought the actual certificate will it show more than what is written on here
Historical Index Detailed Results
Family Name: FITZGERALD
Given Name(s): Francis
Sex: Unknown
Event: MARRIAGE
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Family Name: HALL
Spouse's Given Name(s): Theresa
Age:
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Registration Year: 1919
Registration Number: 9769
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hi lu
I found some info a relative in nz but his email is invalid
here is his info
From: Dennis BROWN <denbrown@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [NZ] TIELLE & SMALES families NZ
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:31:30 +1300
On 3rd Sept 1866 Pierre TIELLE married Mary Ann BROWN. @ Dunedin
In 1882 Matty TIELLE married James HAINING
b/4 or c1939 Alfred SMALES married Millie TIELLE @ Dunedin
Would any researcher that comes across any info on any of these people or
their ancestors or descendants please make contact?
Dennis in Tauranga
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just letting you know that she got the marriage certificate and it didn't show any parents hmmmm oh well
Hi Lu here is the image report, sis was wondering if she brought the actual certificate will it show more than what is written on here
Yes, yes, yes, .... she needs to purchase the ACTUAL marriage record. :)
If this marriage was in Victoria, then you can purchase and download the image, immediately.
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/
Click on >> "Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages" which takes you to the "online shop" from where you firstly find the correct registration number for the 1919 marriage, and then purchase the image of the marriage record.
Lu
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Sorry, can't offer you any help with this "other" researcher whose email addy is invalid.
It does sound though that in 2002 when he posted the message, that he really didn't have much information on the TIELLE family.
If you remember, back in my reply # 2, the Peter TIELLE / Mary Ann BROWN marriage in 1866, was a bigamous one ... and Pierre TIELLE (alias Peter TIELLE), was sent to jail for 12 months as a consequence.
The researcher here, seems to have made the assumption that Peter TIELLE is the father of this Millie TIELLE ???
Yes, there was a marriage for a Millie TIELLE to SMALES, but looking at the NZ death index, this Millie SMALES died in 1985 and her birth is recorded as ... 16 July 1913.
It seems more probable that she is the daughter of William and Norah TIELLE ?
Lu
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whoops ... what I meant to convey in last post, was that
if Millie TIELLE was a daughter of Pierre (Peter) TIELLE and Mary Ann BROWN, then she certainly would have been born an lot earlier than 1913. [Mary Ann and Peter's liaison was way back in 1866 !]
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Hi Lu
2002 is a long time ago and i just thought seeing his name was dennis brown whether he was related on his mother mary ann brown side.
Could she have been the daugher of Peter/Pierre Tielle and Mary Ann Brown?
thank you just thought i let you know
and i will certainly tell my sis to buy the certificate to get the rest of the information that they need.
regards maggie
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Hi Lu here is the image report, sis was wondering if she brought the actual certificate will it show more than what is written on here
Historical Index Detailed Results
I have deleted the index copied and pasted information from the quote as it breaches copyright. Here is the transcribed record as posted on the linked thread in Australia. Transcribed records do not breach copyright.
FITZGERALD Francis
HALL Theresa
1919 Reg#9769
This is the index record only. The parents' names are not available on any marriage index record in Victoria. I gave this information on the thread in Australia with instructions how to purchase and immediately download an image of the marriage registration [certificate] - AUD$17.50
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Information on Victorian certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Cando
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My name is Glen Smales and the son of Millie and Alf Smales. I am new to RC and have some info on the Hainings and Tielle families, and interested in furthering my family tree data base.
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hi glen
where do the smales fit in with the haining and Tielle's
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Hi Gemini
from reading your conversations with Lucy2 you have the general gist of things.
William Tielle the son of Pierre married Honora Corkery who had eight children. Margaret my grandmother had one child Millie Tielle, who in in turn married Alfred Smales. They had three children my two sisters and myself.
Martha Tielle, one of three children to Pierre Tielle and Margaret Nicholson was born on Otepopo in Oamaru 22 July 1866. She married James Haining on 23 August 1882 in Riverton.
I gather you are related on the Haining side of the family tree and live in Australia. Is there any thing else I can help you with.
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Hi Glen
Thank you for your reply. Yes we lived in Australia and it is my sister's husband who is related to the Haining and Tielle's Is it possible to swap trees to compare dates etc.
regards Maggie
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Hello Glen and Maggie.
My name is Shelley Ashford and I have been working on the Tielle family as well. My great-grandmother was Myrtle Tielle, daughter to William and Nora. Have just received Death Printout for Pierre Tielle. Unfortunately no detail of his parents, bum.
Anyway, would love to contact you both to share what I have and hopefully get more. As for third child to Pierre and Margaret, believe her name was Mace. She was not living living when Pierre died.
Regards
Shelley
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Hello my mother is great grandaughter of james Haining and martha tielle, would like to hear from anybody related also does anyone know where martha tielles parents pierre and margaret nicholson were from? thanks.
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Hi everyone. I have noticed lots of folk trying to make the connection between Rena Margaret Hall and the Haining family from New Zealand. I think I can be of help but this is all new to me so I may need some guidance.
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hello is there anyway I can find out about Divorce in NZ or does anyone know the dates of divorce for James Haining and Martha Tielle
thanks
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My wife is the Grand daughter of Ronald Joseph Fitzgerald, his parents were Francis Robert Fitzgerald and Martha Trillby Haining. Who was also married to William John Donnison and her step father was Robert Hall.
Martha Hainings Parents were James Haining and Martha Tielle. According to the family data we have here, this is correct.
There was a slight problem in finding this information due to a few skeletons in the closet. However, I would like some confirmation about these details and see if they match in with what other people have.
Thanks
Quentin Samuelson
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So far we have the same information. My grandmother was Rena Margaret Hall, her parents were Robert Hall and Martha Haining. She was half sister of your connection. My information tells me that Robert Hall and Martha did not ever marry and were only together a few years before he died. Therefore my grandmother Rena Margaret and your wife's grandmother were half sisters. I do have the information on the Fitzgeralds but not much on Robert Hall who was my great grandfather. I believe he came from Victoria, met Martha in Tasmania where my grandmother was born but have no other info on him. He was born approx 1880 and died 1912 in Kalgoorlie Western Australia.
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Hi Quentin
Unfortunately our family are not linked to yours as my great grandparents came out from Ireland to Australia in about 1860 and my great grandfathers name was Richard Fitzgerald and my great grandmothers name was Ellen Harty. Sorry about that. Hope you have some luck.
Scorpio 773
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Scorpio773,
In my family tree, I have a
Richard David Fitzgerald (b. 4 June 1840, Ireland. d. 18 May 1918 Buried Karrakatta Cemetery)
married 15 Feb 1864 Ellen Harty (b. 1846 d. 29 Dec 1906 Buried Karrakatta Cemetery)
Had 9 Children including
Ellen Fitzgerald (b. 02 Sep 1873 d. 25 Dec 1958 in Sandringham, Victoria, Australia).
Ellen had a child Francis Robert Fitzgerald (b. 13 Apr 1893 in Northcote, Victoria, Australia d. 11 Jan 1964 in Rivervale, Western Australia, Australia) he married
Martha Trillby Haining/Hall/Donnison (b. 16 Oct 1903 Round Hill, New Zealand d. 17 May 1981 in Perth, Western Australia. They had 2 Children, one of which is
Ronald Joseph Fitzgerald (b. 19 Mar 1922 Dwellingup, Western Australia, Australia d. 09 Oct 2007 Peel Regional Hospital, Mandurah.
Ronald Joseph Fitzgerald is my wifes grandfather.
If your Richard David Fitzgerald and Ellen Harty are the same as above, then I hope our trees do link.
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Yes our trees do link. My grandmother was Rena Margaret Hall, half sister of Martha Trilby (Tess). My mum was Rona Belle Butler - daughter of Rena and cousin of Ron and Bob Fitzgerald.
Starting to get a bit more information now thanks to a couple of the contacts on this sight.
But we are linked no doubt about that.
Interesting stuff. I have had contact with the daughter in law of Bob (Ron's brother) She has been most helpful
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Thanks for that. seems to link in perfectly with what I have.
Would you mind if I sent you my version of this side of the family tree to compare.
I would also be interested in anything you are willing to share.
I will private message you my email if this is ok.
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Absolutely fine to share via email But I got a lot of my information from what I think is your tree on the internet BUT I may well have all the more personal details that are of interest of the generations that I knew rather than further back. How do we email privately.
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Hi Jemq It sounds as if we do have a connection as the names of my great grandparents are certainly Richard Fitzgerald and Ellen Harty. My grandmother was one of their children her name was Nora and she married John Bell Towers in Denmark in 1901.
Also her brothers Garrett, Michael and Morris and also her sister Kate lived in Denmark until about 1905 when the mill closed down and they all had to move on to look for work. Garrett went to Yarloop and Michael and Morris went to Dardanup.
I am currently trying to find out when Morris died as he is not mentioned on his mothers Death Certificate in 1906 but there is 1 deceased male and 1 deceased femane (the female would be Annie who died in Clifton Hills in 1895). If you have any info regarding Morris I would certainly appreciate it.
cheers.
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hello lu
well i am not sure as we trying to find out if martha trielby haining daughter of Martha/Mattie Tielle who married James Haining in 1882 in New Zealand and Theresa Martha Hall are the one and the same person both being born in 1903. Theresa Martha Hall left New Zealand at the age of 4. Theresa Martha Hall married Francis Robert Fitzgerald in Australia and later married William John Donnison also in Australia. Can I have the names of the haining sons in nsw please.
regards maggie
Lynette98
I was searching the internet for the surname Donnison and came across the above. I had a paternal uncle William John Donnison. His wife we called Aunty Tess. I believe that she was previously married to a gentleman called Fitzgerald and had one or two sons. I met one son and his wife when they lived in Merredin Western Australia. Not sure if these are the same people. I was led to believe that Aunty Tess had a sister living in our state. I am happy to search records here if you wish. WJ was known as Bill and Snow. There were no children from this marriage.
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Lucy2
2009 re haining/moving from NZ to Aust.
Imagine my surprise when trolling through
discussions on the hainings.
William Hirstfield Haining is my grandfather
he died in Brisbane in 1956.
married Agnes Lucy Plunkett nee McGowan
in Sydney 25/09/1918
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have just scratched the surface on the hainings
my grandfather is william hirstfield haining
brothers james and norman born NZ moved toAust
early 1900s. bill, had 4 children 2 of each 1being my mother
Jean who had 3 children.
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hi there
Yes they are the same people. She was known as Aunty Tess, her name is Martha Trilby Haining (Teresa Martha Hall) she married Francis Fitzgerald and there were two sons Ronald and Francis she later married William Donnison no children. Tess had a sister living in WA born 1910 and died 2005
As for William Hirstfield Haining I have him with four children 1 Kathleen she married a Murray, 2 Gordon, 3 Lucy and 4 William. Lucy must be the Jean?
William's brothers James and Norman who moved to Australia both died 1958 Camperdown and 1969 Newtown NSW
James married a Higgs and they had two daughters and a son
Robert Norman Hainings may have a son?