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Ooooooh boy, you've got your work cut out for you this week, it really is a hard one. But I know you'll do your best.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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Albert Linberry
Albert Linberry was born in Salvington, West Sussex, in Dec Q. of 1855. His parents were George and Ellen Linberry (nee West) who ran the Half Moon Inn in Salvington, West Sussex. By 1871, he was an under gardener. His family were a mixture of ag.labs., mill loaders, shepherds, wheelwrights, gardeners. His move away from Sussex to Kew Gardens and ultimately to India resulted in a very different destiny for his descendants, although his own life proved to be short.
I don’t know when he took up the position at Kew, but he left in September 1875 and was reported to have transferred to the Land Mortgage Bank of India (“The Kew Guild Journal”).
The India Office supplied the following information: “N/1/179 folio 104. Albert Linberry a bachelor and Tea Planter of full age married Harriet Andrews a spinster aged 19 years at St. John's Church, Calcutta February 15th 1882. Albert Linberry's father is George Linberry and Harriet's is John Andrews.” Harriet was aged 19 and Albert 27. A direct descendant of Albert and Harriet tells me that family lore has it that Harriet’s father was a naval officer and his father a ship owner. She was born in Fort William, Calcutta in 1863.
Harriet and Albert had the following children: Thomas Linberry, born 21 November 1882, in Kurseong, Bengal; Albert Evelyn King Linberry (known as Evelyn) born 24 May 1884, in Kurseong, Bengal; Dorothy Maude Linberry born 19 September 1886; George Wilfred Linberry baptised 3 August 1884; Violet Kathleen Anne Linberry, born 16 November 1890, probably in Kurseong, Bengal.
Albert then died, aged only 37. But the only evidence I have is the wording on a memorial in Kurseong graveyard:
ALBERT LINBERRY
ALBERT LINBERRY, Manager of Kurseong Tea Estate,
died 22nd August 1892, aged 35 years.
Erected by his numerous friends and fellow planters.
Harriet married Henry Teviot Kerr in Kurseong in 1996.
What I would like to know is what Albert died of. I have not been able to track down a death certificate. Nor can I find certificates for the births of the children. The India Office has only been able to locate Albert and Harriet’s marriage certificate.
Thank you and good luck!
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Wow don't know where to start - I will have to let others start as I am over in Germany on a course- so will pick this up again on my return
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When I first saw Salvington and the Half moon pub, ah, thought I, no probs as it's just down the road and might even get some pic's for you...
Hmmm.. where to start ... NA, passengers here & there.... back later.... :D
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Not much help but ;)
Notices in the "Domestic Occurences" section Times of India
"November 21st at Kurseong the wife of A Linberry of a son"
Edition 28 Nov. 1882
"24th May at Kurseong the wife of A linberry of a son"
Edition 30 May 1884
Info on lots of ANDREWS
http://www.fibis.org/
Trish
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Harrietts birth/baptism
Harriett ANDREWS
Birth, 25 November 1862
Christened, 01 January 1863, Calcutta, West Bengal, India,
Parents JOHN Andrews and SARAH
Extracted record unfortunately no other children on batch, Source IGI
Possible marriage in right timeframe;
John ANDREWS/Sarah STEPHENSON
Book of marriages years 1852-1860
You can check this out on Fibis site
There are also several people interested in the Andrews name who are members of the Site.
Trish :)
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Oh heck!
I just had a quick flick through the TImes Digital Archive to see if anything was mentioned, but with no real luck. One thing I did find (although I realise this is not directly relevant to this hunt) is an obit for the husband of Violet Kathleen Ann, in which it says that VIolet was the daughter if Henry Teviot Kerr
Col. Fleming Barnardo (Obituaries)
The Times Saturday, Apr 28, 1962; pg. 12; Issue 55377;
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Thomas J Linberry appears to have been career navy. Do the admiralty hold any records on him?
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More (off topic, I'm afraid) occurences of Linberry children. Albert E K Linberry (or Kerr) mar Elizabeth A Smith mar qtr 1924 St Geo Han Sq 1a 698;
and from here: http://www.vsdh.org/vsdh/diary/1910.htm Mr G Linberry - Kerr superintended the exams
TJs service record - would details of his birth be here? http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=7919601
GW Linberry-Kerr's medal card http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=7875742
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Hi all,
Just got in to find you have all been beavering away on my behalf. Thank you all very much.
I have information about Albert's children. Violet was "adopted" by Henry Teviot Kerr. The only child who chose not to live with him (stroppy teenager perhaps - he was 15) was Thomas, who came back to Britain to be looked after by a guardian - Sir Hugh F Hastings of Dinham Hall, Ludlow, Salop. He did indeed have a naval career (I have copies of the records) and was mentioned in glowing terms by Lawrence of Arabia in The Seven Pillars of Wisdom. I have found him in a couple of passenger lists
Violet married Dr. Frederick Adolphus Fleming Barnardo (nephew of the better-known Dr Barnardo). Among their children, was Barbara Bianca Eilidh Barndardo, an artist. She married John Hally Armour-Brown, whose grandfather, Charles Seeburger, invented the escalator as we know it today (particularly in the London Underground). One of Violet and Freddie's children, Betty, married an Austrian professor in the mid-30s and had to give an account of her lineage to the Nazis. The tree that she drew up is correct back as far as Albert, and then enters fairyland (depicting the Linberrys as great landowners in West Sussex rather than the shepherds, tollgate keepers, mill loaders, gardeners of reality - perhaps she had an image to keep up).
Evelyn (Albert Evelyn King Linberry) was a bit of a swashbuckler, by all accounts, despite having lost a leg in Afghanistan.
It has all the makings of a Sunday evening TV period drama/family saga!
I have been unable to find records of the births of Albert and Harriet's children (other than submitted records on the IGI and notices in newspapers at the time) nor, particularly, that of Albert's death (other than the memorial). It does not mention where he died. The India Office can find no record. There is nothing on FIBIS. He did not appear to die in England or on board a ship. :(
Deborah
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I expect you've found this posting just in case... ;)
http://www.lancasterfamilytree.com/
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Hmmm. There have been discussions on this site about researchers who lift family trees wholesale without checking primary resources. The self-style "Lord" *** has done just that with mine and others' trees from GR, and then deleted his own.
That sounds very ungrateful of me, Lesanne, especially as you have offered in the past to help me with my Bramber connections. I don't mean to be - and your help is very much appreciated. I'm just annoyed with a certain Nick ***.
Rant over.
Deborah
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Oh dear. You are all as stumped as I am.
I wonder whether you could help with the same family, but further back?
Peter Linberry and Mary Carter (“both of this parish) married in St Nicholas Church, Bramber, on 1st December 1795. No Linberrys are mentioned in the Bramber parish records prior to this marriage (not that I have been able to find, anyway). Mary's birthplace is recorded as Bramber in the 1851 Census.
Peter and Mary had a son, Peter James Linberry, who was baptised in Bramber in 1799.
Thomas Limbery, son of Peter Limbery, was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hull on 22nd January 1802. According to a record submitted to the IGI by a member of the LDS church, Thomas Linberry was born in Hull on Christmas Eve, 1801.
John Linbury, son of Peter and Mary Linbury, was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hull on 29th September 1804.
Census details confirm the ages and places of birth.
In Bramber, on 8th November 1817, Mary Linberry (of this parish) married James Juden (widower of Upper Beeding). James signed and Mary made her mark. Witnesses were James Potter and Mary Winton.
The burial records for Holy Trinity Hull, between 1804 and 1817 (about 95% are legible) do not mention Peter Linberry (or alternative spellings). This appears to be the only burial ground for Hull at that time. There was a “Peter the Sweed”.
Now, I have found that linberry is an alternative word for lingonberry, which is the national fruit of Sweden (and the basis for a delicious jam available from a certain company well-known for its flat-pack furniture). Furthermore, most Linberrys in the 1880 US census were of Swedish origin. Could my Peter have been "Peter the Sweed"?
Bramber and Upper Beeding (they lie on opposite sides of a bridge) were navigable from the sea and, I understand, barges went to-and-fro between Littlehampton and Hull.
It is clear that Mary and her sons returned from Hull to Bramber at sometime between the birth of John in 1804 and Mary's marriage to Mr Juden in 1817. Peter (of Upper Beeding) married in Lancing in 1820 and Thomas (my gggg grandfather) married in West Tarring in 1826. They were both shepherds in Bramber. John didn't marry and he, and his again widowed mother, were tollgate keepers in Upper Beeding (check out the creepy man and old lady in the tollgate house at the Weald and Downland Open Air Museum).
I have all the Linberrys from Peter to the present. I would like to find out just who Peter Linberry was. Was he a Swedish mariner? My great grandmother told us that the Linberrys were originally Swiss-Italian (Limberi) which has proved, so far, to be unfounded. Could it have been a case of Chinese Whispers and the origins were Swedish. Or am I clutching at straws?
Any help with Peter or Albert would be great.
Deborah
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It's that time again for this weeks Scavenger Hunt
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393685.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
Sorry you didn't have a great deal of luck with this one Dimps, but you never know what will come up later on.
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara, and also to Lesanne (particularly by PM), Trish and Spidermonkey for your contributions. Perhaps something will turn up... :-\
Deborah
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Briefly on the Linberrys - Swedish pronunciation is not like English pronunciation.
If he was called Peter Linberg then in Swedish it would be pronounced Linberry (it is a vowellar G)
Hope that helps
Ashley
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British Army in India records are held at the British Library if he went there in service of course, he would have been encouraged to take his family with him or take an Indian wife the more Britons the better to stop the Indian uprising and if he worked at Kew, Kew itself will have records of his work there .
i think to find out about his life in india you need to know the reason why he went there to buold railways perhaps - then contact the railway co's
indians were good at record keeping :)
whether these records are online or not thats where the problem lies
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Thanks for the crash course in Swedish pronunciation, Ashley. I'll do some digging with Linberg.
Toni, thanks for the information about the British in India. Albert was a gardener when he went out to India and was employed by a bank. He married a girl who was born in India and became a tea plantation manager - her family pulling strings, I expect. A memorial was erected in Kurseong cemetary to commemorate his death, but where and how he died I have been unable to ascertain.
Knowing that Indian records are very good, I left a message on a Kurseong website quite a long time ago, but to no avail.
I live in hope!
Deborah
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have you tried newspapers?
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Not to a great extent. Any advice?
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The Gales site has British newspapers online 1600-1900, they did report deaths from abroad so it would suggest searching this at your local library they should have access to begin with.
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Thanks Toni. I have just looked at the Gale site and requested a trial - for the school where I work, as I will shortly be running an after school history club.
I will have a wander down to my local library to find out whether the local library service subscribe.
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I phoned the library service and discovered that I can access Gales digitised Times newspapers using the bar code number on my library card. I have given it a go and it is brilliant. No news about Albert, although plenty about his son.
I have been reading articles about the SS Princess Alice disaster of 1878 which the children have been learning about at school.
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thats good then
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ps i offered to run an after school history club school said what a brilliant idea and then i never heard from them again
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Our Yr 5/6 children will be studying the Victorians next half term, so I will help a group of children research either a family that lived in one of their houses during that era or the family of a child found in the school log books. We will then use the family researched in the wider context of the growth and development of the area during Victorian times. Hopefully. I'm calling it, "Who do you think the Victorians were?"
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Hi Dimps
Ive been looking to find my grandfather and great grandfather’s side of the family.
Great grandfather GW Linberry Kerr , owner of a tea garden in Kurseong.
If you have any info on the above that would be great.
Thanks
Belinda
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Hello Belinda,
I do, although I never solved the mystery of Albert’s death. How can I help?
Deborah
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Thanks for your prompt reply.
I know GW Linberry and Albert died in Kurseong but we dont know anything much about Albert’s wife. Ive read the chat msgs somewhere that after Albert died, his wife married a Kerr. Do you know anything about Albert’s wife?
Ill have to do a bit of digging about Albert when i get to Kurseong.
Cheers.
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Wow! You’re going to Kurseong?
I understand that George was close to stepfather Henry Teviot Kerr. You can find out more in Burke’s Peerage. Not the same family as the current Lord and Lady Teviot (the title died out) who happen to be genealogists based in West Sussex (where the Linberrys lived/live) and President of the Sussex Family History Group.
I understand that Emma was from a shipping family.