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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: erin31 on Monday 13 July 09 18:24 BST (UK)
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My 2x great grandfather John Kelly died around 1892 while living in Benwell, Newcastle Upon Tyne.
He was a Catholic and I wonder if anyone could tell me where he would be buried?
Would it be in St. James?
Can anyone actually look up this death for me or am I asking too much?
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Hi Erin, these are the john kelly deaths from the newcastle cronicle list:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/
KELLY, John 8 Oct 1892 40 Windy Nook
KELLY, John 28 May 1896 37 Bigges Main
KELLY, John 20 Jul 1903 62 Backworth
KELLY, John 23 Dec 1903 76 Morpeth
KELLY, John James 30 Jun 1892 4 Newcastle
KELLY, John Joseph 13 Feb 1895 32 Gateshead
looking on freebmd the only John kelly 1891 - 1893 death that is not aged 0 or i is:
john kelly dec 1891 newcastle town 10b / 85
Diddy
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also checked the listing on genuki northumberland of burials in the Ashburton Roman Catholic cemetery and he is not there.
Diddy
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also checked the listing on genuki northumberland of burials in the Ashburton Roman Catholic cemetery and he is not there.
Diddy
Thank you very much Diddy.
I am not sure what to think. He has to be there somewhere but I am not sure that Benwell would be called Newcastle Town? You never know though.
Thinking cap is on!
Thanks again Kim
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think for purposes of registration it would be - as within city.
what was his date of birth - do you have in in 1891c? or 1881?
Diddy
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Year of birth is 1831 (Ireland) on the 1871 & 1881 census but 1824 on the 1891.
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erin,
Never mind when Benwell became part of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne, it was included in the Newcastle Registration District ( as Diddy says), from the start of BMD registration in July 1837.
Benwell was one of the "townships" of the Parish of St John, west side of Newcastle.
The Parish cemetery was/is off Elswick Road.
To stand a good chance of finding where he is buried, his death registration is needed.
The John Kelly death Diddy found was 56 yrs at death.
What info do you have to point to a death around 1892, in Benwell ?
Michael Dixon
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Hi Michael.
Thanks for your reply.
The only information I have for John's death was from a relative who thought he died around then.
I have located him on the 1891 census & his parish is given as St. James not St. John which is what is confusing me.
None of my family were sure where he was buried. My uncle who was the best source of advice for family history was not sure either.
Kim
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Kim,
Please give the census ref for him on 1891 census. ( I will spare you lecture 27b(ii) on the parishes of Newcastle)
Once you have established when/where he died, the tracing of his grave site should be straightforward. Tyne & Wear Archives ( Newcastle), Newcastle City Library, and Newcastle Bereavement Services ( Civic Centre) etc, have burial/grave registers.
the Bereavement Services are at www.bereavementservices@nwecastle.gov.uk
Tel 0191-2116941
Michael Dixon (whose "oral history" was about 50% incorrect)
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Hi Michael.
Thank you for the information you have given.
I still have a lot to learn but thankfully am being given lots of good advice.
The ref is Class: RG12; Piece: 4203; Folio 27;
I was once told (when asking if John was buried at Blaydon with the rest of his family) that no he was buried 'in the bigun' up the top'. Yes I did ask where 'up the top was' but was met with a strange look and told 'you know, up the top'.
I took up the top to mean Elswick as it is also so very large but cannot be sure.
A lot of my older relatives spoke like this and being very familiar with the Newcastle area could not understand why I did not know what or where they were talking about. It was just the way they were.
Kim
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hi erin
I live not far from st james church in benwell. They do have a graveyard but it is very small. There is a cemetry which is pretty huge at elswick just along the road. 90 second drive from st james church. Your ancestor could have been buried there. It was st. Johns cemetry which is not the newcastle district of st johns so hopefully that will stop the confusion. I will check it out and get back to you.
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hi again,
My grandmothers family were mckennas and roman catholic they lived in same area at same time. Just a thought for you St josephs roman catholic church is on Armstrong Road, Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE4 area. You could write to the bishop and priest and request information directly from them. They allowed me so I'm sure that wont be a problem for you. good luck I will still have alook though for you. St James Church is Church of England so it's unlikely he would be buried there. St johns cemetry seems the more likely and catholics could be buried there in consecrated ground.
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Thank you so much for your help Lorraine.
I will try and look at records for Elswick. It is quite sad really as he would be the only one to be buried there. One son died abroad and his other son, wife, daughter and their families are all buried close together at Blaydon.
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A huge thank you to everyone for their input on this topic especially Diddy
John Kelly was indeed the John Kelly you told me about who died in 1891 aged 56 and I now have his death cerificate.
My family tree is branching out in many directions with the help and advice of many people on this forum so thank you to everyone who has helped me.
Kind regards Erin
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