RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: tigerquoll on Monday 13 July 09 11:01 BST (UK)
-
I would like to find any information on John Kenny or his daughter Fanny Kenny who was born about 1830 and died in Tasmania, Australia in 1875. In her obit it states she is the daughter of John Kenny, Lismore House, Earl's Court, County Galway, Ireland. If anyone can help with a birth for Fanny or any other info I would appreciate it.
regards Janine
-
I wonder could that be Eyrecourt Co. Galway, rather than Earl's Court
There seems to be a Lismore House near to Eyrecourt in Co. Galway, the surname Kenny is mentioned.
see this link from from landedestates.ie : http://www.rootschat.com/links/06p5/
The location might be assist with following up on parish records. Do you know which religion the Kenny family were ?
Shane
-
Wonder if 'Earl's Court' is Eyrecourt in Co. Galway? There's a Mrs. Susan Kenny, Lismore House listed!
www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/galway/directories/1881eyrecourt.txt
-
snap! :)
-
Hey Guys,
What quick replies! This is a great lead. Fanny Kenny married a John Bailey and called her daughter Susan So the Mrs Susan Kenny is a real possiblity. She was buried in the Anglican Church graveyard.
regards Janine
-
1911 census for Co. Galway is online (1901 coming later this year hopefully) and it might be useful to you later if you are able to find more information on Kenny family (16 Kennys listed under Eyrecourt DED- however, they seem to be shepherd or labourers :-\).
-
There's a Lismore Castle, Eyrecourt mentioned in this article about the O'Malley family-
www.bbgreenway.org/clans/2madden.htm
Lismore Desmense in Griffith's shows a Henry Kenny and John Kenny-
www.from-ireland.net/gal/griffiths/clonfert.htm#8
-
Not sure is this is any connection but will post it just in case-
Morning Chronicle (England) 14 May.1859- MARRIAGES- On the 7th inst, at Clonfert Cathedral, Thomas Kenny, Esq., Lismore-house, to Sarah, only daughter of Thomas Kenny, Esq., of Killuragh.
-
I have Frances Kenny as the daughter of John Kenny (c1807-1887) of Lismore House, Eyrecourt, Co. Galway, Ireland (son of Henry Kenny and Sarah Geraghty) and Jane Susan Finney (c1808-1881) of Eyrecourt, Co. Galway, Ireland, daughter of Richard Finney (b. c1770) and Frances Browne (b. c1773). There were a number of Finney's and Kenny's in the Eyrecourt, Clonfert Parish area at the time and some are still in the same estates today.
John Kenny and Jane Susan Finney are thought to have had the following children but due to the destruction of Irish records in Dublin it is difficult to confirm whether this information is correct.
- Henry c1825-1870
- Sarah c1828-1874 married James Johnston
- Frances c1830-1875 married John Bailey
- Richard c1832-1897
- Thomas
- John
- Susan c1839 married John Johnston
- George c1840 married Frances Fitzroy
- Stephen c1852-1880
Death records show Fanny as Fanny Remy Bailey but there is no record of the name Remy elsewhere and it is more likely that the name was actually Fanny Kenny Bailey.
I am interested to know the birth dates for John Bailey. Most researchers show him as the convict b. c1793 but I have him as the son of Samuel Bailey and Sarah Pantry born 1818 in Bilsington, Kent and dying 26 Nov 1883 in Green Ponds, Tasmania and this is consistent with the naming of their son as Samuel Pantry Bailey.
-
Thank you for your excellent information. This builds on the research I have done so far. I had Fanny's parents as John and Susan Kenny, of Lismore House, Eyrecourt, Co. Galway, Ireland but had not gone back another generation. I think you are correct that Kenny has been mis-transcribed as Remy, particularly since they called their daughter Fanny Kenny Bailey.
Fanny married John Bailey, born 1818 in Bilsington, Kent, England. He was the son of smuggler/convict Samuel Bailey and Sarah Pantry. It is quite clearly written on their Victorian marriage certificate. Unfortunately as there were quite a few John Bailey's living around Hobart at this time many family researchers have gotten them confused.
The ones we are interested in are the Samuel Bailey and his uncle John Bailey who were both transported to Tasmania. Both of them were already married back in Kent. They applied for permission to have their wives and families come out and join them. Samuel's wife, Sarah, died in 1827 but his two children, John and Elizabeth came out to Tasmania. These families lived mainly around the Oatlands area.
John Bailey, smuggler, born 1792: wife Catherine and her six children, who also included an Elizabeth and John (born 1820), came out on the "Harmony" in 1829. This John lived around the Broadmarsh/New Norfolk/Teatree area. His wife Catherine died in 1856. He then re-marries a Jane Rodwell, this is an unhappy marriage and she sues him for an order for separate maintenance in 1859. This John Bailey definitely died at Sorell Creek, New Norfolk in 1866. As Fanny Kenny's two youngest children were born in 1866 and 1870 it would be impossible for this John to be the father.
As there were quite a few unrelated convicts called John Bailey who were transported around this time plus the sons of the smugglers called John, it becomes quite difficult to tell which death record belongs to which John Bailey.
I had tentatively assigned the death in Green Ponds (Melton Mobray) 26 Nov.1883 to John Potten Bailey, son of John and Catherine Bailey, but it could be John Bailey, son of Samuel and Sarah. Unfortunately the death records at this time don't have much info and both men were born within two years of each other. From memory I think the informant on this record was just the funeral director which doesn't help much. As far as I can find John Potten Bailey never married and lived around this area whereas the John Bailey who married Fanny Kenny was living around the Oatlands area, although his sister Elizabeth was living in Melton Mobrary.
So it is quite tricky to untangle it all.
regards Janine
-
Without sufficient detail on birth/marriage/death certificates it can be very easy to mistakes. I always check Trove to see if I can find additional information in the death notices or other advertisements of probate etc. You are right that there is no clear information on the John Bailey who died in Green Ponds in 1883 but in the absence of other information the link I saw was that his daughter Fanny Kenny Bailey's birth was registered in Green Ponds in 1870.
-
It does seem likely that following Fanny's death in 1875, John would want to move closer to his sister, Elizabeth ,at Green Ponds for help with the children. Although it does seem surprising that there is no mention of his late wife or his children in the newspaper death notice.
I have started an Xcel spreadsheet recording all the John Bailey's that I can find in the area. Next week I will check all the relevant death records to see if I can find which death is connected to which John. There doesn't seem to be enough deaths listed in the Indexes for the number of John Baileys so it seems likely that some moved interstate.
regards Janine.