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Would anyone please, help me find a James Bennett born 1839.his wife was named Eliza Bennett born about 1843.
I found them on the 1881 Census living at Seaton Burn, Northumberland.
Any Census help would be appreciated, Thank you .Vi.
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hello
there is a family tree on a*****try relating to these people, is it your tree ?
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I am sorry i am not sure, my son asked me to have a look for him.
Thank you Vi.
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1891
Seaton Burn
james bennett head W 52 Coal miner Bowsden
james son U 20 Cal miner
Agnes daughter 18 Housekeeper
henry son 16 Coal miner
Eliza daughter 10
children all b long benton
RG12 4233 123 39
Suz
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1871
Seaton burn
james bennett head m 32 Miner ??wick Northumberland
Eliza wife 27 Shincliffe Durham
William son 8
George son 6
Euphemia daughter 3
james son 3mths
children all boen S Burn
RG10 5127 32 8
Suz
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1861
Weetslade
Seaton Burn Colliery houses
Thomas bennettHead m 33 Coal miner Tweedmouth Northumberland
mary wife 31 Norham
Isabell daughter 8 Norham
Agness daughter 7 newcastle Northumberland
Margaret daughter 5 seyhill
George son 3 tweedmouth
james son 1 Benton
James Bennett boarder U 22 Coal miner lowick?
RG9 3846 75 26
Suz
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could it be that eliza had died before the next census of 1901 as i cant seem to find them together for that time ?
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Hi ,she may have. i have looked on the Evening Chronicle and found that there is a James Bennett died 1895 at Seaton Burn, i have not noticed a one for Eliza.
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If you check the 1891 census you will notice james is a widower then
Eliza the youngest child is age 10 in 1891 - maybe mum died in childbirth???
Suz
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This could well be the case Suz, James Bennett on the 1861, as a Boarder, They have to be his relatives. I think i have a marriage for him from the bdm. About 1861 could be to an Eliza Emery,
We will have to have a Certificate to prove this. Thank you again for helping me.Vi.
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1851
Allendean
Ancroft Northumbrland
George bennett head m 47 farm Steward Bowsden
Agnes wife 43 ord
Phillis daughter 19 Woodside
Robert son 16 ag lab Woodside
William son 14 Ag lab Woodside
JAMES son 12 scholar Cheswick Buildings Northumberland
Isabella daughter 10 ditto
george son 8 ditto
Lisle son 5 ditto
Joseph son 4 ditto
John son 2 Allendean
Ralph son 8mths Allendean
HO107 2421 87 26
Suz
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Hi Suz, Great stuff this, Smashing my son will be well pleased, Vi.
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there is a death reg freeBMD
Eliza bennett
age 41
Sept qtr 1884
Tynemouth
10b 151
I'll try to find Thomas (who James is boarding with in 1861)
it is not unusual for someone described as "Boarder" to be a family member
generally a "Boarder" lives and eats with the family
where a Lodger rents a room/bed and eatd separately to the family
Suz
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You are educating me- the difference between a Lodger and a Boarder.lol
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Can't find Thomas on 1841/51 -yet!!!
he's probaly mistranscried somewhere!!!!
here are james parents in 1861/71
1861
Chiswick
Wind Mill Hill
George bennett hed m 37 farm Steward Lowick
Agnes wife 54 Tweedmouth
Phyliss daughter 27 ag lab lowick
George son 18 railway lab Ancroft
Lisle son 15 ag lab Ancroft
Joseph son 13 scholar Ancroft
John son 11 scholar Ancroft
Ralph son 10 scholar Ancroft
RG9 3884 88 17
1871
Ancroft
george bennett Head W 69 Colliery Clerk Lowick
John son 21 Miner Ancroft
Ralph son 20 miner
Agnes Lisle servant 15 dom serv Ancroft
RG10 5180 40 17
wonder if Agnes Lisle was a relative???
Also wonder if Agnes maiden name was Lisle??? No proof though
Suz
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This is all very interesting.
I think you could be right about the name of Lisle.
I did not expect to get this far .
Vi.
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It's only a guess -but you never know!
Birth cert of one of the younger children would confirm or otherwise
Suz
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looks like Thomas was james' brother
Births & Christenings IGI -extracted
all in Ancroft Northumberland
all to parents george bennett and Agnes
all surname Bennett
Joseph
b. 9 apr 1847
c. 23 may 1847
Isabella
b 22 jan 1841
c.14 mar 1841
Phillis
c.19 feb 1832
William
c. 20 Nov 1836
George
b.26 feb 1843
c.26 mar 1843
Thomas
c.30 mar 1828
james
b. 22 Nov 1838
c.23 dec 1838
Ralph
b. 28 Jun 1850
c.25 Aug 1850
Lyle
b.27 Apr 1845
c.1 jun 1845
Robert
c.25 may 1834
Suz
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Suz, I never thought of looking there. Some sized family then?
Thank you.
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Hello Vi
Did you ever find George Bennett 1802 and Agnes Lisle on 1841/1851 census. They were my GGG Grandparents on Bennett side.
They have been mistranscribed on 1841 and the family are down as Bennitt. Thomas and James are on it
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Dear Sparkle.
No i never did find that family in the 1841 Census.
Would you please tell me where abouts they lived?
Thank you
Vi.
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Hello Vi
They are down as Bennitt, living at Cheswick Buildings, Ancroft, Cheswick, Durham.
George Bennitt Age 38 1803 Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Agnes Bennitt Age 34 - 1807
Thomas Bennitt Age 13 - 1828
John Bennitt Age 11 - 1830
Phillis Bennitt Age 9 - 1832
Robert Bennitt Age 7 - 1834
William Bennitt Age 4 - 1837
James Bennitt Age 2 - 1839
Isabella Bennitt Age 4 months 1841
No definate location of birth for any of them just says Durham - which stretched up that far in those days.
Let me know if there is anything else you need to know - I might be able to help you.
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Dear Sparkle,Thank you for the new information,also for your very kind offer for any future help.
Vi
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Hi Vi and sparkle,
Brilliant you have made a connection
I'll just post the ref for 1841
HO107 318 8 9
1841 census just gives po.b. as Yes or No - as to whether they were born in the county they were living in
ages of adults over 15 years were rounded down to the nearest 5 years
relationships and marital status were not given
Happy hunting to both
suz
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Dear Suz,Thank you very much,
Best Regards Vi
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MY great grandmother was Agnes Lisle born in Ancroft 1856. She married a John Burnett in December 1875 in Gateshead. has anyone got any further information?
Can't find Thomas on 1841/51 -yet!!!
he's probaly mistranscried somewhere!!!!
here are james parents in 1861/71
1861
Chiswick
Wind Mill Hill
George bennett hed m 37 farm Steward Lowick
Agnes wife 54 Tweedmouth
Phyliss daughter 27 ag lab lowick
George son 18 railway lab Ancroft
Lisle son 15 ag lab Ancroft
Joseph son 13 scholar Ancroft
John son 11 scholar Ancroft
Ralph son 10 scholar Ancroft
RG9 3884 88 17
1871
Ancroft
george bennett Head W 69 Colliery Clerk Lowick
John son 21 Miner Ancroft
Ralph son 20 miner
Agnes Lisle servant 15 dom serv Ancroft
RG10 5180 40 17
wonder if Agnes Lisle was a relative???
Also wonder if Agnes maiden name was Lisle??? No proof though
Suz
Mty
[My greatte]
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Hi Sue and welcome to rootschat,
It certainly looks as if the Agnes on the 1871 census could be yours. I don't see her baptism in the Bishops transcripts of the parish records for Ancroft though. It could be that she was baptised elsewhere or could she possibly have been presbyterian - there was quite a strong presbyterian presence in that area.
Christine
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Thanks for that Christine. I think you may be right about the presbyterian bit. Do you have anything on my Great great grandmother Elizabeth Lisle also born in Ancroft in 1830. She has the same name as my great grandmother and had another child James Lisle born in Ancroft 1854. It looks like she had these children out of wedlock.
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Sorry, I'm not spotting the surname Lisle showing up in Ancroft C of E records at all.
What other information do you have on this family?
Christine
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Hi Christine,
Thanks for looking. I will carry on investigations and let you know if I find anything.
Kind regards
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I've now found Agnes and James - they are in Ancroft, just not in the years expected.
I found them in the extracted records on IGI first but you can see the actual bishop's transcript here
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;s=waypointsOnly;w=0;p=waypoint
James is on image 30 and Agnes on image 40
Christine
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Ancroft baptisms:
George Burn Lisle and Margaret Lisle baptised 22 Dec 1839 children of William and Agnes Lisle
William's first wife was Margaret Burn.
Lisle also found spelled Lysle
Janis
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I am so grateful to you Christine. My great great grandmother was married after all: I just have to find her maiden name now to continue. Do you live in the north east? My grandmother met my grandfather in Durham whilst they were both in service and moved to Newport, South Wales where my grandfather was born to get married. I now live in Buckingham but would dearly like to visit Ancroft sometime to see where my ancestors lived. Thank you once again for all your help.
Kind Regards
Sue
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Hi sue
I have found a possible marriage for William and Elizabeth.
Parish of Kyloe 10th May 1849
William Lisle, father John to Elizabeth Wilson, father George
It is, of course, not guaranteed but Kyloe is only 4 miles from Ancroft - neighbouring parish. It is only a transcription and there is no other source online that I can find. There is also no other suitable marriage in the area.
I've been trying to find this couple on 1851 and 1861 to no avail - goodness knows how they've been transcribed as I've tried every which way to locate every single one of them ???
Yes, I am in Northumberland - down in the southern part. Ancroft is way up north and in a very beautiful area - lots of pretty villages. You can find info on the place here:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Ancroft/index.html
and a picture of the church here:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Ancroft/Ancroft.html
Christine
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Hi Christine,
I really do appreciate all your help with this. I have found Elizabeth Lisle in the 1861 census as being widowed with two small children: James and Agnes ( my maternal ancestor), still living in Main Street. Like yourself I can find no record of them in the 1851 census: I have tried all kind of spellings to no avail. Goodness knows how they were transcribed! If I ever find it I will let you know. It is really uncanny that she may have been Elizabeth Wilson as that is my maiden name. Those Wilsons came from Manchester though so I don't have to worry about being inbred! Anyway thanks again for everything.
Kind regards
Sue
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Hello Sue,
I was intrigued to see that we share some ancestors in common.
Elizabeth Lisle was married to my g g grandfather, William Lisle. After years of search I found this marriage as a irregular marriage at Starch House Toll.
They do not appear on the 1851 census because they didn't marry until 1852. William was a widowerer.
If you want to know more, do reply.
Best wishes
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The 29 May 1852 marriage in Starch House Toll of William Lisle of Ancroft North Farm was to Miss Elizabeth Porteous of North Hazelridge
Reported in the Berwick newpaper 5 Jun 1852
Janis
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Hi Janis,
yes I knew that thank you, but nice of you to send anyway. How did you come across that information?
Do you have any idea how I might find William's first marriage in about 1835 to Agnes Lisle? Possibly Scotland as their first child was born there. I suspect she was a cousin or something. Living on the borders as they did makes it very hard to keep track of them. William says he was born in Horncliffe in 1813 but there is no sign of his christening there and I think his father was a bit wayward, moving around a lot.
Actually William Lisle and Elizabeth Porteous were next door neighbours in 1851 in Ancroft. She was much younger than him - 17 years about. William was a farm steward, working for his uncle and a widower with four young children so I imagine Elizabeth went in and helped and then....
Poor William died very soon after in 1855. Luckily Elizabeth and the children all got a bit of money from his uncle (William Lisle) and they were ok. Elizabeth later married a tailor called Andrew Ray, also a widower.
Are you following this Lisle branch? What is your connection? James Lisle was my g grandfather.
Best wishes
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I just have a few resources like a book of border marriages that were in the Berwick Newspapers. Some various parish records. No relation just a helper or I try to be.
Janis
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Hi Janis
Well I'd just like to say thank you!
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Lisle family grave
If you visit Ancroft , Please visit the famiy grave in the graveyard of the parish church of saint anne
the grave is on the left as you go up to the church door, There is a good bit of local information on the table in
the church, The church door is unlocked it might need a good push to open it
William Lisle , Agnes and George burn are in ths grave
Roy
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Hello Roy, thanks for your message.
I have a photo of the grave and the other Lisle grave next to it, but both are quite faint.
There is no information about George Burn Lisle, ie where he was born or what he died of which is a real nuisance.
Best wishes
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william lisle (my g g grandad died 12oct 1855 ) married elizabeth (porteous ) they had 2 children james (my g grandad 14 july 1853-13 aug 1910 ) and agnes ( 11 sept 1855- ?? ) . james married elenanor bell (moore 1851-1925 ) they lived in coxons lane berwick (now super market car park ) in 1877 . they moved to 26/28 low greens berwick a house with 2 doors opposite a pub called the pilot inn in 1891 .they had 3 boys william 1875-1935 (my grandad ) nicholas 1877-?? and thomas 1878-1945 .they moved to worcester area about 1895 and all married local girls .my g/dad married ada johnson they had 6 children one was my dad douglas lisle (1910-1995 )
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I am the grand daughter of the third son, Thomas Lisle born 1878.
William, his father, the farm steward, was married twice and had five children with the first wife (Agnes Lisle) and two, as you say, with Elizabeth Porteous.
I have been in contact I think with your daughter and we have exchanged notes.
All my information is on the ancestry.co.uk website. I have found out lots of interesting things about the family.
Best wishes,
Rebecca