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looking for the platt family of cefn mawr.....at least three families came to pennsylvania in the 1820's....my great-great-great grandfather, Richard Platt, was from cefn mawr and probably a member of one of these families.....he was born in 1810/1811...in this area of north wales.....any help would be appreciated
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I have an Owen Platt born in the Cefn Mawr area in c 1846 in my Tree.He married my relative Ann Jones.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thank you so much for your reply. Does the Owen Platt family go back any further than 1846?....My Platt family left North Wales by 1830 and came to America. But maybe your Owen could be related.
Thanks,
Rick Hostetter
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Hi Rick and welcome :)
The only Richard Platt that I can find in the Ruabon baptism records (at that time Cefn Mawr was part of Ruabon parish) is this one:
17 April 1807 (b. 27 March) Richard Platt, son of John Platt and Margaret.
Residence given as C(h)ristionydd Kenrick(Cynrig) which I believe contained Cefn.
Regards
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget.....I am appreciative of that posting.......I wonder if anyone knows of the cefn mawr non-conformist church records that exist.....I would like to check them before I go for the Richard of 1807 since his tombstone says he died in 1860 and he was 49 years old. By the way I have joined the Clywd FHS and have purchased Wrexham records....Volume 8, 10, 11,15 and will do lookups for anyone that wants any.
Thanks again,
Rick
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William has a CD of them to 1837, Rick.
Gadget
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The only one I can find which may be of help is the Baptism of an Ann Platt on the 27th of April 1817 to Parents John(Collier) and Sarah Platt..The Baptism is given as taking place at Rhosllanechrugog Independent.I'm saying given there as a lot of my Families were Baptised there too,so the location could be doubtful.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Rick
Do you have any other family members that might help us locate him?
Children's names, etc. might help.
Gadget
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thanks gentlemen,
i know the family were colliers as they came to Pennsylvania and began mining right away.....This family probably included Edward, Thomas, John, and Richard.....Richard seems to be the youngest and may be the son of John....women names seem to be Sarah and Hannah.....unfortunately USA census records until 1850 only list the head of family.... Edward, Thomas, and John, were at least ten years older than Richard...the census records are so sketchy before 1850.....There was an history written in the 1840's of the area where these men live and all list Cefn Mawr as there place of residence before coming to America......We are talking I believe for these men's death of between 1780 to 1810.....I have Richard immigration record and it states Ruabon North Wales and doesn't indicate an exact year of immigration but from the date that it is dated 1839, it appears they all left the Ruabon area between 1825 to 1835.
I know that they family is no longer in this area.....My great-great grandmother Sarah Platt who was Richard's daughter died in 1928. She was married to my great-great grandfather Samuel Confair.
Rick
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hi gentlemen,
correction these men's dates of birth would be 1780 to 1810. Yikes!!!!
Rick
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Hi Rick
The only Edward that I can find was bpt. 8 July 1821. Son of Thomas Platt and Elizabeth - Morton Above. I think that's the Rhos area.
Gadget - (vey much not a gentleman ;D ;D ;D )
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Hannah Platt, bpt. 7 August 1822. Daughter of John (collier) and Sarah. Also Morton Above
Gadget
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I have some of the earlier records for the area but they're tucked away. I'll look them out tomorrow :)
Gadget
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thank you Gadget!!!
I appreciate your help......I thought the Platt family would be easy to find......but after twenty years in genealogy I should know better
Rick
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Wait till you get to your Jones and Evans lines ;D
I might be able to get the records in an hour or so.
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There are quite a few of those names in the earlier baptisms. I'll need to type them all out. Here's a John who may fit:
17 March 1790 John Platt s/o John Platt and Ann, Morton Above
There appear to be two families - one in Cristionydd Cynrig and one in Morton Above. The names are similar so they might be related further back.
Gadget
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Not sure of your dates now :-\
I've found an Edward Platt baptised 18 Sept 1837 - son of John Platt, (collier) and Sarah of Morton Above
Nothing in my records (to 1853) after 1849.
I'll get back to you tomorrow with a full listing
Gadget
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First installment:
Platt baptisms 1773 - 1800, Ruabon
C = Christionydd Kenrick M = Morton Above
19 Feb 1773 Mary d/o Richard & Mary, Dyninlle Isaf
22 Sept 1775 Richard s/o Richard & Mary, Ruabon
8 Dec 1776 Ann d/o Richard & Mary, Ruabon
4 May 1779 Elizabeth d/o Robert & Margaret, C
2 Apr 1786 Thomas s/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
? Sept 1787 Thomas s/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
24 Dec 1787 Sarah d/o John & Ann, M
17 Mar 1790 John s/o John & Ann, M
20 Mar 1791 Randle s/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
4 Jan 1792 Ann d/o John & Mary, C
24 Oc 1792 John s/o John & Ann, M
-do- Mary d/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
24 Feb 1793 Elizabeth d/o John & Margaret, C
6 Feb 1795 John s/o John & Margaret, C
18 Mar 1796 Mary d/o d/o John & Mary, C
19 Oct 1796 Elizabeth d/o John & Elizabeth, M
27 Oct 1797 Sarah d/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
25 Dec 1797 William s/o John & Ann, M
25 Apr 1798 John s/o John & Margaret, C
20 Jun 1800 Jane d/o Thomas & Elizabeth, Ruabon
21 Dec 1800 Elizabeth d/o John & Ann, M
I'll try and get the 1801-1830 up tomorrow
Gadget
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contd.......
20 Jan 1805 Uriah s/o Uriah & Jane, C
26 Apr 1805 Catherine d/o John & Margaret, C
17 Apr 1807 Richard s/o John & Margaret, C
19 June1818 John s/o Thomas (collier) & Elizabeth, Rhos
18 Oct 1818 Elisabeth d/o John (lab) & Elisabeth, Rhosmadoc
5 Mar 1820 Sarah d/o John (collier) & Sarah, M
8 Jul 1821 Edward s/o Thomas (collier) & Elizabeth, M
7 Aug 1822 Hannah d/o John (collie) & Sarah, M
21 Nov 1824 John s/o John (collier) & Sarah, M
There were a few illegitimate births but difficult to tell what surname was being used so I've excluded them from this list.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,
Interesting....there is a possibility on John and Margaret or John and Ann......who have some baptisms......found some new information on the immigration of this family......I am fairly sure they came to Pennsylvania in 1829.....I found an immigration of at least three of the brothers?......John, Edward, and Thomas.....John is listed at the time with a wife Hannah both are 34 years old children listed Sarah, Ann, and Dianna........Edward appears to be single and age 28.....Thomas is married and 30 with a wife Ann and a son Jonah and a duaghter Hannah. Later I found Thomas on the 1850 US Census for Pennsylvania.....very close to where my Richard would have lived......Thomas and Ann are listed with a son Jonah or Jonas.....all born in wales.......
Another bit of information I came across is the naturalization record of John here in America. He claims to be from Ruabon. I believe I am looking in the right area of North Wales, and this seems to be a rather large family....but they are surely an elusive one so fair!!!!!
One other bit of information all these men are listed together and are all miners.
Thanks
Rick
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I'll see if I can find some marriages. Although they might not be in Ruabon if the spouse was from another parish.
Gadget
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Some marriages:
21 Aug 1815 - Thomas Platt to Elizabeth Huett, both otp
8 Feb 1817 - John Platt to Sarah Williams, both otp
10 May 1817 - John Platt to Hanna Blunt, both otp
4 July 1818 - Edward Platt to Elizabeth Parry, both otp
All made their marks rather than signing.
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Thanks Gadget,
It surely seems like this family is very elusive....Does anyone have records of people emigrating from this area in the 1820's. Maybe this would at least place this family of Platt's in this area since they were in America telling everyone they came from here!!!
Rick
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Hi Rick
Given that we're working on vary broad age estimates, etc. , it's very difficult. Have you got any of them on the US censuses that give a fairly good estimate of age? Your info is a bit varied :-\
If they married before 1837, it would be in St Mary's, Ruabon. Non-conformist marriages were not valid then.
Gadget
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Gadget,
What I have is this as birth dates ......John Platt ca 1795
Thomas ca 1799-1801
Edward ca 1801-1802
Richard ca 1810-1811
John, Edward, and Thomas appear emigrated to America in 1829
John and Thomas appear on the census in Pennsylvania in 1830
John, Thomas, Edward, and Richard appear on the census in Pennsylvania in 1840
Unfortunately these census records only list heads of families and number of females or males living in the houses.
From the ship register.......John is married to Hannah, Edward is single, Thomas is married to Ann.....
John has the following children: Sarah 11....born ca 1818, Ann who may be 6 or 4 (bad picture of the list), and Dianna who is 1 born ca 1828.
With Thomas is his wife Ann born ca 1805.......Children are Jonah 3 born ca 1826, and Hannah 1 born ca 1828.
Richard is not listed on the ship register but from his tomstone it says he was 49 years old at death in 1860...so probably born 1810/1811. Addiitonally his stone says he was born in Denbighshire North Wales.
One last thing...Thomas is listed on the 1850 census in the area where all of these people lived in 1840....There his children and wife are listed....Ann, Jonas, 24. Edward. all of these were listed as born in Wales
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Hi Rick
The only thing that I have that comes anywhere near is:
25 Apr 1798 John s/o John & Margaret, C
No Thomas
No Edward
17 Apr 1807 Richard s/o John & Margaret, C
10 May 1817 - John Platt to Hanna Blunt, both otp
Apart from non-conformity, they might have been from neighbouring parishes originally rather than
from Cefn/Ruabon.
Gadget
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The only other thing that I can suggest is that you get hold of the Blackwell Index (Non-conformist records in Denbighhsire to 1837):
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William does have a copy, I know, but, given the extent of the Platt families and their interlocking names , it might be worth you obtaining it:
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/non_con_cds.html
I think you can purchase it via Genfair.
Gadget
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thanks Gadget....
I know they are there somewhere so I will try that route!!!! I know in Cefn Mawr there were a number of Baptist churches.
Thanks,
Rick
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The marriages should show even if the baptisms don't because of the need to marry in C of E - that's what's bugging me :-\
I'll have a look in the Chirk and Llangollen records and some of the neighbouring Deeside parishes . I think that you have the Wrexham ones.
Gadget
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thanks again Godget,
The marriage you gave me with John platt and Hanna Platt seems to make sense.....since on the ship register in 1829, they have a daughter Sarah who is 11....So 1817 makes sense for the marriage record......The other marriage of Thomas and Ann would probably be later ...I am estimating in the 1820's some time.
Rick
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No marriage for Thomas and an Ann in Chirk or Llangollen.
The other thing that you might consider is the Hayes marriage Index:
http://www.genfair.co.uk/supplier.php?sid=87
It costs about £7, if I recall, but it should throw up any marriages :-\
Gadget
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thanks Gadget,
I will go that route
Rick
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Hi Gadget,
Got up real early today and decided to come to North Wales particularly Clywd FHS website!!! Looking at the index of churches there and names of the Platt family.....Seems like in the time period I am looking at 1790-1815 ......there are Platt's showing up in Overton and Erbistock church records....Overton is interesting because it seems like there maybe marriages of some of the males baptized in Ruabon....Randle, Richard, and Thomas......There seems like a chance that some of these people may have went to these churches for baptisms and marriages.....Can you point me to someone that has these transcripts .......I am tempted to buy them from Clywd FHS but I have bought five transcripts already this month!!!
Rick
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I think that I may have them, Rick, and was going to check this afternoon. However, I'm not sure if I have them that late because my lines lived in the area pre 1750. If not, you could order the parish record films from your nearest Family History Centre (LDS). It will be listed here:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
The other areas that might be worth searching are the Shropshire parishes of ST Martins and Ellesmere.
I think these might be covered by the IGI.
Gadget
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Hi Rick
As I thought, I only have the very early registers for those parishes.
It might be worth you sending a PM to Paul to see if he can look them up for you.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Rick :)
There is a baptism of a Hanna BLUNT May 26, 1795 at Ruabon Parish Church, daughter of Thomas BLUNT & Sarah.
There are two other baptisms for this couple
Jan 1, 1786 Anne BLUNT d/o Thos & Sarah (Chrystionedd Kenrick)
Dec 21, 1792 Thomas BLUNT d/o Thomas & Sarah (CK)
hope this helps
Heather
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thanks Heather,
There is no doubt the John and Hanna (Blunt) Platt were immigrants to America July 31, 1829 on the ship Thomas Dickason. Aboard that ship was also Edward Blunt and his family. Also aboard were Edward Platt and Thomas Platt. These men were all miners and seem to appear in the coal fields of Pennsylvania by 1830 to 1840.
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Does anyone know if there are emigration records for Wales in the 1800's
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I found a marriage in the Wrexham St. Giles marriages by licence
Jun 16, 1772 Richd PLATT (smith) of Rhuabon and Mary SIMPSON X sp, OTP
witnesses Eubele MOOR and John EDWARDS
Heather
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Thank You Heather,
I apprciate your help
Rick
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Thomas Platt died April 7, 1876 and is buried in Warrior Alabama; Jonah Platt died July 22, 1908 and is buried in Montevallo Alabama. Jonah's daughter Elizabeth Ann (Annie) married Joseph Yessick (from Bohemia) in AL. Their daughter Margaret (Maggie) married Loranzo (Ranzy) Blackburn. Maggie and Ranzy are my great grandparents. I was in the courthouse in Schuylkill Co and found the naturalization records saying they immigrated from Raubon, Denbyshire Wales.
In 1860 Johan was still in PA. Thomas and his wife Ann were in Chatham NC along with Benjamin, Thos, Hannah, Ann, & Harriet who were most certainly children of Jonah. I assume Jonah's wife may have died in PA. In 1870 they were in AL. I have never used this board so if I get lost please excuse me. nyes, they were all coal miners. I have photos of some gravestones and somewhere copies of photos from a Warrior AL book.