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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: harlor on Saturday 26 February 05 20:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi everybody, In this line of the family I have gone back as far as my 7 x Gt Grandparents but have now hit a brick wall.
William Else of Miltown Derbys born circa 1685 married Elizabeth Heathcote born circa 1688 of Foard, Derbys at South Wingfield Church on the 25 August 1709 at South Wingfield.
I know of 4 children, Mary, Dorothy, William( 6x Gt Grandfather) and finally John and all of them were born in Ashover. Any help out there would be much appreciated. Harry
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/search/
put ashover in the search
bingo
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Hi Harry,
This is a useful site listing Derbyshire lookup offers including one for Ashover baptisms going back to 1621 http://www.faulkes.co.uk/lookup/derbys.htm regards Jan ;)
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I think I can help as they are my ancestors too! William Else married Elizabeth Heathcote 25 August 1709 in South Wingfield, Derbyshire. They were married by special license. They had children Dorothy, John, Mary and William (I am a descendent of William). However, the Else/Ellse/Elce family lived mainly in North Wingfield area and many can be traced via the parish records of North Wingfield rather than the parish of Ashover.
The son (my ancestor) William (baptised 1 April 1714 in North Wingfield, Derbyshire) married a Hannah Berisford on 1 November, 1735 in Matlock, Derbyshire.
The Else/Ellse family lived around North Wingfield area (Clay Lane in particular) for many years until they moved to Chesterfield.
i have quite a lot of detail of the Ellse family if you wish to contact me.
Marp
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I, too, believe that I am probably descended from William ELSE and Elizabeth HEATCOATE of Ashover, as follows:
William ELSE m: 1709 Sth Wingfield Elizabeth HEATHCOATE
|- William ELSE bapt. 2 Feb 1716/17 Ashover m?: 1742/43 Bonsall Rachel BUCKLEY
|- William ELSE bapt. 3 Aug 1746 Ashover m: 1766 Ashover Grace BIRKS
|- Isaac ELSE bapt. 4 Jul 1784 Ashover m: 1807 Sutton-in-Ashfield NTT Catherine MOSELEY
|- Grace ELSE bapt. 19 Mar 1810 Sutton-in-Ashfield NTT m: 1835 George HAZARD (1810-1868)
This is a provisional interpretation of various entries in the IGI, as I haven't yet managed to look at the Ashover PRs. However, Grace ELSE (1810-1877) and George HAZARD (1810-1868) were my 3g-grandparents. I would be keen to hear from and exchange information withe other descendants of this family. Please get in touch by email.
Regards and best wishes,
Brett Payne
Tauranga, New Zealand
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extra posting in error
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http://www.patrisiacarrington.dsl.pipex.com/1841census.html
0086 smalley john else age 70 farmer
" hannah else 50
" john else 25 farmer
" harriet else 20
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thomas else servent in husbandry kirklington married sarah arsher consent of parents 22 march 1813
may fit somewhere
sylvia
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I came across this thread and realised that the Else family is part of my lineage.
William Else (1685 -1738) married to Elizabeth Heathcote is my 7 times great grandfather.
That is to set the scene,but after following the line back to Richard/Richardus Else, alive at the end of the sixteenth century,I have discovered a mystery.
I have been deliberately vague about the birth date for R Else, it was thought to be 1603 by another family member but I discovered a notification of a marriage that took place between Richard Else and Ann Gibbons on 02 June 1603.
Richard had a son William Else bapt 24 April 1639. Mariae (sic) is recorded as the mother. - A mistress? I can't find the connection. Now the mystery: Richard Else was buried 24 Feb 1639 Ann Gibbons was buried 16 Feb 1639, both in South Wingfield. Was it a tragic coincidence that left Mariae holding the baby.
As I am new to this ancestral sleuthing, I may have made errors but I would love to hear from anyone with any thoughts, comments or explanations. Rgds Zanuda.
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Hi Zanuda,
I was really interested in your post. I have also traced my Else ancestry back to Richardi Else. I too have found a burial for Richardi Else in South Wingfield on 24 February 1639 BUT a Richardi Else is listed on the Protestation Oath for South Wingfield in 1641. Perhaps the answer is that there is a father and son both named Richardi Else? if you recall the Protestation Returns (1641-2) are lists of English males over the age of 18 who took, or did not take, an oath of allegiance "to live and die for the true Protestant religion, the liberties and rights of subjects and the privilege of Parliaments".
It looks to me if there is a burial in 1639 and taking an oath in 1641 that there must have been two people both named Richardi Else.
So let me recap what I have (and like you I am not sure I am correct). I have Richardi Else born February 1603, parish of Ashover. His spouse seems to be named Mariae and his son William is my direct ancestor. William Else was baptised in South Wingfield on 21 April 1639 and his father is listed as Richard and mother as Maria Else.
I have a query regarding the mother Mariae. Is she Mariae Horsley (1600-1672) baptised 29 August 1600 in Denby, Derbyshire, her father being Vincent Horsely and mother Katherine Harte? I have no marriage record. Now quite how Mariae got from Denby to South Wingfield is a bit of a mystery although I suppose they are not so very far apart.
I did not know anything of an Ann Gibbons by the way.
I would love to know more. Incidentally, the early Else family seemed to live in Milltown a tiny hamlet in the parish of Ashover.
regards, marp
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Hi,
I think the church registers are recording information about two separate men named Richard Else.
William son of Richard Else and Marie his Wife April 1639. If this couple were not married the child would have been registered with his mother’s maiden name, probably as a bastard child.
Then there is a burial for a Richard transcribed as 24th Feb 1639, transcriber has ignored the fact that year ended 26 March, so should have indicated this - 24th Feb 1639/40.
The same applies to his wife Ann transcribed as 21 Feb 1639, should be 21 Feb 1639/40.
Is it possible that Richard & Ann, who died 1640, were the parents of Richard who is married to Marie?
The above events all appear on the same page of the register, with index per Family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-L9X?i=13&cc=1911752&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKBDB-FBM
Spendlove
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Hi,
I am not sure of the accuracy of this (familysearch) but I have a Richard Else married to Ann Gibbons in South Wingfield on 2 June 1603. They were clearly not the same generation as the Richard Else married to Mariae.This couple had three children Ellen born 1635, William born 1639 and Richard born 1641.
It seems likely to me that the Richard who signed the Protestation Oath in 1641 was married to Mariae.
marp
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Hi, marp and spendlove,
Thanks for your interest in trying to solve the Richard/i/us issue. It now seems that there must be 3 Richards.
1. Richard married 1603 to Ann Glossop, both died 1639
2. Richard born 1603 married Mariae
3. Richard born 1641 to Maria & Richard 2
This scenario means that Richard 2 was alive to sign the Protestation return in 1641. Richard & Ann are red herrings and from a different family branch.
Don't we just wish our ancestors had a bit more imagination when naming their offspring. I'll go with this until someone throws a spanner in my tree.
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Hi,
The images of South Wingfield Parish Registers, which you can view for free on family search, are exactly the same images which can be viewd on Ancestry.
The marriage of Richard Else to An Gibbons on both sites is transcribed as 3rd June , however if you look at the image I think it is 23rd. Will you take a look and see what you think.
Marriage is right hand page near bottom.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-L94?i=3&cc=1911752&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKBDB-8NS
Just a thought but if the English naming system was used by the Else family, you would expect the father of Richard = Mariae to be William, and Ellen to be the name of Mariae’s Mother.
Spendlove
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Hi Spendlove, I have tried to access the familysearch.org website but it is blocked to me. This is possibly due to the fact I live in Moscow. I don't usually have this sort of problem but some servers seem paranoiac about security issues. Cheers Zanuda.
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Hi,
You have to create an account on Family search, it is free, then connections I gave will work.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/
If you have already done this, sorry cannot help.
Spendlove
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Hi - is this thread still active? I am looking for any information on an Abraham Else 1751 - 1828 his father was William Else/Elce (1716 - 1768) and mother Rachel Buckley (1715-1810). Also anything about their daughter Rachel Else (1743-1785 I believe she died in childbirth - this is my 5th GGM).
I am particularly interested in occupations of any of the family and a son of Abraham's and his wife Sarah Darling called David. I think Abraham may have worked on the Chesterfield Canal in the 1770s.
Any information will be useful and I have noted earlier in the thread their ancestors going back to Richard Else.
Thank you in advance....
Paul
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Hi
When Abraham married Sarah Darling in 1773 at St. John the Baptist, Wales, S. Yorkshire he is of the Parish of Treeton, and Sarah of Parish of Wales his occupation is given as Husbandman so renting land or a Farm.
This early you may find occupations recorded in B M or D in church records.
Is this the correct Abraham Else?
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Yes, that is the Abraham I am looking for.