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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Whitty on Friday 10 July 09 21:47 BST (UK)
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Helen Hutton from Australia. Can anyone tell me anything about her or her family. I know she died 1st Aug 1937. I know she married James Steven Whittaker from Harlow, Essex, UK. and lived in
Monarto Sth Aust, but that' all I know. ;)
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James Steven Whittaker aged 24 and Single father Charles Whittaker
Helen Hutton aged 38 and single father Robert Hutton
marrried 24/1/1895 at the Residence of the REv Alexander LAw Prospect Hill Summerfield Book182 Page 268
Jenn
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Hi Witty
Not sure about this entry in regards to the Huttons , it could tie in later perhaps
Deaths In SA indexes
Christian Hutton1880/02/04
F
Age - 64 yrs
Status - W
Relative - Robert Hutton (DH)
Residence - Monarto
Death Place - nr Callington
Rg no - Bk 100 pg 365
Troods
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Hi Whitty,
Robert and Christian HUTTON arrived in 1839 aboard the DELHI
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839Delhi.htm
I see no births to them in SA
BISA
HUTTON Robert arrived by 1840 residence Mt Barker, Adelaide religion Presbyterian
married Cath/Christina nee RENWICK children Thos (1841-1909), Matthew (1843-), Agnes WILLIS (1847-1927)
Cheers Kris :)
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Good find Kris
Therefore this death might also be relevent
Robert Hutton
25/5/1860
58 yrs
Relative - Not rcorded
Residence - Nr Mt Barker
Death Place - Nr Mt Barker
Reg No - Bk 12 Pg 9
Interesting to note no mention of daughter Helen in BISA info
Troods
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They appear in 1841 census in Mt Barker
Page 123
HUTTON Robert Under 21
HUTTON Catherine Under 21
over page next entry and I note they arrived together
HUTTON John Under 35
Cheers Kris :)
Hi Troods :D It doesn't really trouble me too much when someone is not listed in BISA. As it is partly of a submitted nature the submitter often did not have information on all of the family. It does seem they may be her parents particularly as I now see they were very young and did not arrive with children.
I didn't see if there is an entry for Helen's husband. Will do now.
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Nothing for Whitaker I'm afraid
HUTTON John John c1808 died after 1841 arrived 1839 DELHI
married Chrissie
Roberts Son Thomas
HUTTON Thomas parents Robt and Cath/Christina nee RENWICK born 9 April 1841 Mt Barker died 23 Oct 1909 Sanderston SA buried Monarto SA 0ccupation Farmer residence Monarto
and daughter Agnes
WILLIS James parents Thomas and Ruth nee ROBERTS born 1838 Devizes Wiltshire died 21 Sep 1918 Yerong Ck NSW arrived 1840 WILLIAM MITCHELL died Nsw 1911 occupation Farmer residence Tatiara, Pinnaroo, Mt Barker and others religion Presbyterian
married 13 Dec 1866 Mt Barker SA Agnes nee HUTTON parents Robert and Catrain (Christian) nee RENWICK born 30 Jan 1847 Mt Barker SA died 6 Apr 1927 Yerong Ck SA
children Thomas (1867-1925), Christina (1869), Robert (1871-1947), Jemima (1876-1945), Matthew (1878-1942), John (-1937), Helen (1885-1956), Eliz
(1887-1893)
Possible connection
HUTTON John born about 1849 died 22 Oct 1937 buried Sanderston SA arrived by 1878 0ccupation Farmer residence Monarto, Sanderstone
married Christina born about 1861 died 10 Mar 1944 children Elinor Susan (c1886-1969), Robt (c1887-1978)
Cheers Kris :)
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I maybe be missing something here? but you would not think that Helen Hutton was the Daughter of Robert and Christian as she was born well after this couple arrived in South Australia and is not showing as a birth to them but then all births were not registered.
I wondered if she was connected to Robert Hutton and Eliz Downey on whom we did a very detailed thread last year, but her birth does not appear to be registered in SA
I could not see any births to the James Wittaker and Helen Hutton either
kind thoughts Jenn
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Mmmmm thats true Jenn, Helen's birth year according to her marriage details should be 1857 if my maths is correct.
Oh dear sorry to send everyone off on the wrong tangent with the entry that I mentioned in post 3.
I will have a look for the old thread too.
Troods
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James Steven Whittaker aged 24 and Single father Charles Whittaker
Helen Hutton aged 38 and single father Robert Hutton
marrried 24/1/1895 at the Residence of the REv Alexander LAW Prospect Hill Summerfield Book182 Page 268
According to her death registration she was born c1854. She may have been more like 41 years of age when she married.
Deaths
WHITTAKER Helen
1 Aug 1937 83 years Widow Relative James Steven WHITTAKER [Deceased Husband]
Residence Richmond Death Place Richmond Ade 593/3170
WHITTAKER James Steven
17 Dec 1935 65 years Status Married
Residence Monarto Death Place Monarto Pin 576/5041
A transcription of either death certificate would give you
1908-1947
* Date and Place of Death
* Name
* Sex
* Age
* Occupation
* Usual Residence
* Birthplace
* Length of Residence in Commonwealth
* Age at Marriage
* Number of Issue Living and Deceased
* Cause of Death
* Place of Death
* Informant
The South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society offer a transcription service
http://www.saghs.org.au/research.htm#transcription
Cando
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South Australian Electoral Roll 1909
WHITTAKER James Stephen Section 238 &c. Monarto Farmer
Burial records
WHITTAKER, Ellen (Helen)
Surname WHITTAKER
Given Names Ellen (Helen)
Cemetery Monarto Cemetery Section East of main path
Grave 27
Last Residence Monarto Date of Death 31 Jul 1937
Age at Death Unknown Date of Burial 2 Aug 1937
Minister Officiating Rev Booth
Permit/Lease/Register Unknown
Burial/Order Number 83
I can't find a burial record for James Steven/Stephen however there is a photo of a headstone where his name is noted.
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/sa/murray_bridge/monartodata.htm
http://headstones.weebly.com/purchase-single-photos.html
WHITTAKER, James Steven & Helen
Cando
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Both John and Robert HUTTON applied for free passage.
There may be a little more in the applications, but would need be at library for that. It will probably only list where the application was made.
There is an extracted record on the IGI
Robert HUTTON = Catherine RENWICK 2 June 1839 Hobkirk, Roxburgh. Scotland so it would appear they emigrated soon after marriage.
HUTTON Robert applicaton No 5452 Embakation Number 3386 (1 male 1 female)
HUTTON John applicaton No 5453 Embakation Number 3385 (1 male)
alas The children do not appear to have been registered - still nothing tying Helen to this family.
The children - No marriage for Thomas in SA, Agnes married at the Presbyterian Church Mt Barker
John the possible connection mentioned above married Christina STEWART res of Mrs Stewart Monarto
Cheers Kris :)
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A lot of these early births were not registered. I have no reason to connect Helen with the other Robert HUTTON Jenn. They were not married till 1857 and were not in this area. I have been stumbling upon him all morning. I think Helen was the daughter of this Mt Barker, Monarto couple, just been trying to prove it.
Robert HUTTON is listed as an early Mt Barker resident and in 1930 had a surviving daughter in Monarto ;)
Robert Hutton
Robert Hutton was among the early settlers in the district. In 1846 he had his church connections with Gouger Street, Adelaide, and on January 12 of that year was elected a member of the committee of management. He died on May 25 1860 at the age of 58. He left a widow, two sons, and three daughters surviving him. The family were among the first settlers to go to Monarto between 1868 and 1870. A son John (Sanderston) and two daughters at Monarto and Murray Bridge, still survive.
Early Mount Barker - Who Was Who? - Rev. W. Gray, Mt Barker Courier July 11 1930
Cheers Kris :)
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Kris it would seem that this family fall in the category of the many early Scottish families that didn't register their children...reference made my Robert Jaunay in one of his newsletters.
Perhaps there may be some parish records for baptisms of the chn.
Cheers
Cando
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I wonder if there is a headstone?
HUTTON, Robert
Cemetery Mount Barker
Section Glebe Plot/Grave/Niche 34/83
Last Residence Mt Barker
Date of Death 25 May1860 58 years
Date of Burial 26 May 1860
Burial/Order Number 35
From the
Register Personal Notices 11 June 1860
HUTTON - On the 25th May, at Mount Barker, Mr Robert Hutton, aged 58 years.
and from troods the death reg of his wife -
Death
Christian Hutton1880/02/04
F
Age - 64 yrs
Status - W
Relative - Robert Hutton (DH)
Residence - Monarto
Death Place - nr Callington
Rg no - Bk 100 pg 365
Troods
Burial
HUTTON, Christian
Cemetery Mount Barker
Date of Burial 6 Feb 1880
Unfortunately there are no grave location details.
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,35502.msg177627.html#msg177627
It would appear that Whitty had some of this information a while ago, perhaps he just forgot about it.
Jenn
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I maybe be missing something here? but you would not think that Helen Hutton was the Daughter of Robert and Christian as she was born well after this couple arrived in South Australia and is not showing as a birth to them but then all births were not registered.
I wondered if she was connected to Robert Hutton and Eliz Downey on whom we did a very detailed thread last year, but her birth does not appear to be registered in SA
I could not see any births to the James Wittaker and Helen Hutton either
kind thoughts Jenn
Dear Jenn,
As much as it would thrill me to have another relative, this family doesn't seem to be related to Robert and Catherine.......well, not through the Australian families that we have unearthed.......however, this family and Robert were both from Scotland, so it is possible there is a connection back in the land of the tartan. ;D
Cheers
Siouxsie :D
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Yes I did realise that having read through all my notes on the family etc but threw it in the mix just in case and of course to point out there was at least one more Robert Hutton in SA at that time.
AS Kris says she feels she is on the right track
Iam wondering who Whitty is related too?
Jenn
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Thanks to everyone who have given details of Helen Hutton's family.
A lot of this infomation is new to me.
My connection is I am related to James Steven Whittaker.
Many thanks.
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My other thought on this Helen Hutton is of course she may not have even been born in South Australia and may have arrived a few years at the most before the marriage.
Her death certifcate should state where she was born if the informant knew at all.
Jenn
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I remembered the name Hutton from previous research on Patterson/Ross/Simpson/Anderson families from Bugle Ranges Wistow & Mt Barker
Thomas Hutton & George Patterson Founders & Elders of Pres Church Monarto. There is a plaque at Monarto see link here; http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/GeorgePatterson/1116978
cheers joan