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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: mickmurphy608 on Friday 10 July 09 15:10 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am currently looking into doing a family tree but can't get any info on my Great-Grandad, just know he was born in Wexford married a lady called Jane (surname unknown), had 2 sons Matthew (born 1916) and Patrick.
Moved to Dublin at some point in the earl 1900's and he worked as a carter?
Need help :)
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Sorry also.
Matthew (My Grandad) married a lady called Elizabeth McCullagh had 5 children Jack, Liz, Shiela, Bryan and Paul
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have you tried the Census on the National Archives website at : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ (free)
It's not complete yet, but 1911 data for Dublin and Wexford are included..
the Irish Civil Index is available on : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
I can find them in Dublin up until 1939-40 Electoral list, but cant find anything before that, as you can imagine, looking for a Murphy in Wexford is like a needle in a hay stack!
Mick
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do you know roughly when Nicholas was born ?
Shane
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Haven't a clue!!! 1860's maybe ?
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I had a look at the results for all Nicholas Murphy on the 1911 census and there are just over 100 - and that includes some from counties other than Dublin or Wexford, not as many as I thought there might be.
I am sure quite a few could be eliminated by age, and others by county of birth.. hopefully with the occupation, and his wifes name it might be possible to find a possible match..
just as long as he didnt live somewhere in between, like Wicklow, during 1911!
Shane
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I would focus on finding Matthew's birth cert as that will give his mother's maiden name. Using the link provided above by Shane, I was surprised to find so few Matthew Murphys born in Dublin or Wexford in the time around 1916.
One word of caution however, he may have been registered as 'Male Murphy' if his name wasn't decided at the time of registration.
Dara.
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Thanks for the input lads.
Just wondering, i have in my possession Matthews marriage cert and death cert, is it possible to retrieve his birth cert if i hold these?
Also, if i know somebodys electoral number, is this information any use to me?
Thanks again,
Mick
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the electoral number is just used by Dublin City council on the register of voters - I dont think you can use it to link to anything else.
Do you know when Nicholas died ?
also do you know if Matthew was born in Dublin or Wexford ?
Shane
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(by kind permission of Noel Farrell)
Enniscorthy Roots 1901;
(extracts from a 'lot' of Murphy families)
Tomnalossett;
Murphy Eliza, Nicholas, James, John, Bridget, Ellen, Thomas, Peter, Aiden.
Duffery st (10)
Murphy James & Charlotte; Benjamin, Nicholas, James (tailor)
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Thanks again lads!
To be honest, i don't know much about Nicholas, only he came from Wexford married a lady named Jane and lived on ravensdale rd, Dublin 3 until he died, and he had 2 children Patrick and Matthew, thats it really!
Seanmac, do you think that info is accurate?
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(by kind permission of Noel Farrell)
New Ross Roots 1901;
Arnestown (7)
Murphy Richard & Katherine; Nicholas.
Mary st (3)
Murphy Nicholas & Honoria; Mary, Elizabeth, Martin, Peter (bakery)
McMurrough Island;
Murphy Nicholas & Margaret; Patrick, Michael, Nicholas, Mary.
Wexford st (4)
Murphy Nicholas, Edward. (cooper)
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possible clue from 1949 (Thoms)
no. 7 Ravensdale Rd is listed as M. Murphy
so maybe Nicholas died between 1939 and 1949..
Shane
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Sorry Shane what do you mean by that 1949 (Thoms)?
Also if i do hold somebodys death and marriage cert is it possible to trace their birth cert?
Any other ideas lads? Im all ears/eyes !!
Thanks again
Mick
possible clue from 1949 (Thoms)
no. 7 Ravensdale Rd is listed as M. Murphy
so maybe Nicholas died between 1939 and 1949..
Shane
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sorry that's Thom's Directory of Dublin - its a street directory. It lists businesses and many heads of households.
unfortunately Irish death or marriage certs dont really help with locating a birth, other than by providing an approximate year of birth and fathers name.
Shane
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Well going by Matthew the date he died and the age on his death cert, i make it to be 1916 dob, even if i could get his birth cert, id get his mothers maiden name?
could that work?
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it would do it .. just be careful as age at deaths are not always exact, as the person providing the information (listed as the informant on the cert) may not know the full details.
to check for possible births see the familysearch civil index mentioned earlier.
As Dara mentioned there are not that many listed in Dublin, but is it possible that Matthew was born in Wexford ?
you may have to order a few possible certs for Matthew and see if you get a match of the details - i.e. father and mothers names
I had a very quick scan though the Nicholas Murphy's on the 1911 census in Wexford and Dublin, and did not see any married to a Jane.. so maybe they married after 1911
Shane
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Ye its quite possible Matthew was born in Wexford alright but i believe his brother Patrick was born sometime after 1916, i wouldn't mind getting my hands on the 1926 census to fill the gaps!
Ive tried that search even for my own father and it comes back with no results?
Any ideas?
Mick
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dont worry - you will find the right trail! it might take a little time (and money), and sometimes a handful of incorrect certs
sometimes it's a case of eliminating possible matches...
you can order certs from the GRO at : www.groireland.ie using the index details obtained from the familysearch index.
[edited - removed incorrect index details]
Shane
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possibly interesting record for you from the 1911 census...
at number 7 Ravensdale Rd, North Dock there is
Charles (age 42) and Sarah Murphy (age 28) - Charles born in Co. Wexford, Sarah in Dublin city
two children listed, Charles (17) and Marie (8 mon)
Charles born in Wexford, Marie born in Dublin City
married just two years, so maybe a 2nd marriage for Charles. They could be connected to Nicholas - same house as Nicholas and Co in 1939, and has Murphy's from Wexford...
census record : http://www.rootschat.com/links/06oa/
Shane
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assuming that the family lived in the Dublin north city around 1916 the this looks to be the best match for the birth of Matthew :
Record type: Birth
Name: Matthew Murphy
Reg. district: Dublin North
quarter/year: Jul - Sep 1915
Volume: 2 / Page: 467
(there are a few other results in Dublin south city that could be close - in 1915, 1917 and 1919)
Shane
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Hi Lads,
Got a phone call this morning to tell me that Nicholas Murphy married a girl called Jane Telio???
And that he came from Ballygarran, Kilmuckridge, but no match for this on 1911 census?
Any ideas?
Mick
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here is this link to Ballygarran townland on the 1911 census - there are three Murphy households :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06oj/
and Kilmuckridge for reference :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ok/
both are in the barony of Ballaghkeen - see the townland database at : www.thecore.com/seanruad (http://www.thecore.com/seanruad)
Shane