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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: johnat on Friday 10 July 09 13:02 BST (UK)
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I would be very grateful for any assistance with a search for a birth of Louisa Attwood in Timaru (supposedly 13/11/1874).
I have conflicting evidence from sources in Australia. They both agree that my ancestor (William Attwood) and his wife (Jane nee Wyer/Wire/Weir/Wyre) emigrated from Staffs or Worcs, UK around 1869 and left for Newcastle, Aus, in 1871 - possibly aboard a freighter, name unknown.
If this seems confused, it reflects how I feel.
thanks
John
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Hi johnat;
Welcome to Rootschat :)
So they went from Staffs to possibly Australia and New Zealand?
Only Louisa or anything near it I can find on NZ BMD site is;
Annie Louisa ATTWOOD 1872
Reg 1872/1272
No parents names or district reg is shown
There is am unnamed ATTWOOD born NSW Australia, parents William and Jane 1885 and a Benjamin 1879, same parents.
AH HA just reread your post after 1869 when they left England in NZ there is this possible birth also
Louisa Hendon ATTWOOD 1869/685
You would have to purchase cert to confirm details.
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.
Trish
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Can you post William dob if you know it, death etc and Janes too please. Also parents names if possible.
I can find no marriage for a William Attwood to Jane Ware etc etc anywhere in England pre 1869 only 1 to a Jane Beer ::)
There are 2 possible deaths of a William ATTWOOD in NSW early 1900's and a Jane Attwood 1885 in Lambton, parents Samuel and Sarah.
Interestingly both the births reg above in NSW to a William/jane Attwood are in Lambton/Newcastle where death for Jane is reg. ;)
Trish
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still in NZ on 1893 electoral roll
LOUISA HENDIN ATTWOOD, at Fortrose, Mataura electorate, a housekeeper
LOUISA ATTWOOD, at Fortrose, Mataura electorate, domestic duties
A Louisa was in school Fortrose, Southland 1876, guardian Edward Attwood.
One could be mother and daughter??
May help for elimination purposes.
An Annie Attwood is also at Fortrose School 1876, father/guardian Robert Attwood.
An ANnie Louisa ATTWOOD marries 1893 to MALLERSTAT
Bye
Althea
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Hi johnat;
Welcome to Rootschat :)
So they went from Staffs to possibly Australia and New Zealand?
Only Louisa or anything near it I can find on NZ BMD site is;
Annie Louisa ATTWOOD 1872
Reg 1872/1272
No parents names or district reg is shown[\quote]
Yes, I found that one too! I have ordered that cert to see. Just now have to be paitient a while until it gets here. (Dunno about NZ, but NSW BDM takes 3 weeks to find and print it, even when you've given them the reference, and then there's the snail mail time lag as well.
There is am unnamed ATTWOOD born NSW Australia, parents William and Jane 1885 and a Benjamin 1879, same parents.
AH HA just reread your post after 1869 when they left England in NZ there is this possible birth also
Louisa Hendon ATTWOOD 1869/685
You would have to purchase cert to confirm details.
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.
Trish
William and Jane moved to Newcastle (Aus) after a couple of years in Timaru. hey had one son (my G-G-G'father) and a daughter with them. From this computer, I cannot get the details (it's on my lappy) of Wm and Jane's birth, although the dates aren't exact. I believe both were born 1844ish.
The Benjamin and the unnamed are almost certainly mine. Unnamed because she died the same day she was born, and was the cause of her mother's deat on that day too. Not a goo day, in all respects, that one!
Thanks for your efforts.
John
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still in NZ on 1893 electoral roll
LOUISA HENDIN ATTWOOD, at Fortrose, Mataura electorate, a housekeeper
LOUISA ATTWOOD, at Fortrose, Mataura electorate, domestic duties
A Louisa was in school Fortrose, Southland 1876, guardian Edward Attwood.
One could be mother and daughter??
May help for elimination purposes.
An Annie Attwood is also at Fortrose School 1876, father/guardian Robert Attwood.
An ANnie Louisa ATTWOOD marries 1893 to MALLERSTAT
Bye
Althea
Thanks for the efforts you've made. I doubt the Robert Attwood connection is viable, as there are no Roberts in the line until quite a bit later than the time I am talking about. Also, if Louisa was born in Timaru, she would have to have been very much the "child bride" as they left after a couple of years for Newcastle.
Cheers
John
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If it's any help, Louisa Hendon Attwood born in NZ in 1869, and
Annie Louisa Attwood born 1872, were both registered in Dunedin, not Timaru.
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John,
Thanks for the extra info.
Since William was a miner (had come from coal mines in Worcs) is/was there a mining boom around there in the 1800s? Just trying to flesh out the reason for the, fairly significant, decision to move.
Ta
John
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www.timaru.govt.nz
go to cemeteries search online,enter attwood,4 matches
William B died 17 dec1940 aged 73
Lilly died 27apr 1945 aged 65
also two others
see photos both from Fortrose (same plaques)
hope this helps
regards Ross
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Hi John
Just to rule out at least one of the births given previously...
NZ Death Index
ATTWOOD - Louisa Hendin - died 1911 - aged 41 years
Lu
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Annie Louisa ATTWOOD 1872
Reg 1872/1272
No parents names or district reg is shown
Annie Louisa ATTWOOD b. 1872 can also be ruled out.
[Married in NZ - (1) MALLERSTATT (2) WILSON - she died in NZ 1937]
Lu
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Yeah, Lu.
As I said originally, I was trying to follow a lead that may turn out to be a red herring.
It certainly seems that way from all the research that I managed to find, and from all the messages here. Thanks so much to all, for their efforts.
Cheers
John
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Just to add to the confusiojn, I have another source showing a "Edith Ada" Attwood born about 1874 in Timaru. However, that does not seem to match anything I have been able to find in BDM records.
Damn, this stuff can be frustrating!
Cheers
John
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.... I have another source showing a "Edith Ada" Attwood born about 1874 in Timaru. However, that does not seem to match anything I have been able to find in BDM records.
Hi John
You're right ... she doesn't appear to be registered on the NZ Birth index, and I've also searched using the variety of names you gave for her mother's maiden name.
* Do you have a marriage or death certificate for her which shows Timaru as her birthplace ??
[Am presuming she is the Edith A. ATTWOOD who married James A. BEACROFT NSW - 1892 : Died as Edith Ada BEACROFT - 1960 ?]
Lu
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Lu,
You presume correctly, she is the one who married Beacroft.
However, there's no record of her birth in 1870-79 in Aus. If she was, actually born in NZ, I'd have expected her birth to have been between 1869 and 1871, the years after leaving England for NZ and leaving NZ for Aus.
No certificate that I have seen. That's why I'm asking around. I have "fairly reliable" notes from the daughter of one of her siblings, but I'd far rather have some more definite 'documentation'.
Just did another search of NZ BDM with dates ranging 1868 - 1874 - results following ...
1868/483 Attwood Alice Mary
1868/484 Attwood Ellen Elizabeth
1868/485 Attwood Henry William
1868/486 Attwood Julia Louisa
1869/685 Attwood Louisa Henden
1869/686 Attwood William Burgess
1870/762 Attwood Ellen Maria
1870/763 Attwood Emma Jemima
1870/764 Attwood Esther Eleanor
1871/947 Attwood George
1871/948 Attwood Lily Marshall
1871/949 Attwood George Frederick Thomas
1872/409 Attwood Arthur
1872/1272 Attwood Annie Louisa
1872/1274 Attwood Walter Newman
1874/1124 Attwood Robert
None of them match. Got me confused, well and truly!
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No certificate that I have seen. That's why I'm asking around. I have "fairly reliable" notes from the daughter of one of her siblings, but I'd far rather have some more definite 'documentation'.
John
I'm well aware of why you're searching the birth indexes in Aus and NZ but it's very apparent that this Edith Ada ATTWOOD is not listed in New Zealand.
Yes, of course genealogy / family history, is frustrating ... and it's probably more so when you just rely on "fairly reliable notes". You can't possibly know whether they're "reliable", until you've tested them against the "facts" ... and that means venturing into purchasing official BDM records.
So with there being no "apparent" birth record in Aus or NZ for either of the ATTWOOD daughters, you need to take a another tack. Perhaps purchase the record of their mother's death (1885 was it ?). That should allow you to at least confirm her maiden name, where and when she was married to William ATTWOOD, years spent in NSW (not sure if "years in other places" is included on NSW death certs? ) ... names of her children, and their ages at the time of her death. (Suggest you use one of the transcription agents - see NSW BMD site - it's a cheaper and quicker option).
There's no guarantee of course that Jane's death record will help you find her daughter's birth records - perhaps it's a case of the parents simply not registering them ... but it should provide you with other useful information.
Good luck. ;)
Lu
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The not registered is a real possibility, not the easiest of times
also variants
1874/1125 Atwood Anne Atwood
(5 Mar 1874, based on certificate collection info born Blenheim)
plus other combinations possible
Maybe the person with the info was mixed up with an earlier Edith Attwood
schhol records Dunedin
Birthdate
17 Mar 1863
(NZSG index CD)
BYe
Althea
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Lu & Althea,
thanks for your input. I am in the process of doing exactly what you suggest, Lu. I have certificates on order (the 3 week wait to process them is a pain) for all manner of events registered in NSW.
The dates I've been given for the birth of Edith just do not match anything else I've got.
IF Edith was born in 1874, then the family must have moved to Aus before her birth.
Memoirs of my G-Grandfather put their departure from Timaru at 1871. He'd have been 9 or so at that time. Their departure from England was 1869. No records on passenger lists, just the memoirs as yet.
I have a copy of a typed transcript from his notes - yet to see the original, but hope to do so sometime later this year when I visit the custodian.
Frustrating? Yep, but the main frustration is in the lag time between finding what "might" be an important souirce and its arrival.
I really do appreciate the chance to verbalise these things here, as the act of typing something challenges the sequence I hold in my brain (such as it is ::)) and forces me to the records rather than my (quite faulty, at times) memory. ;)
Cheers
John
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Good luck John with the certs.
Let us know the outcome.
Cheers,
Trish :)
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Thanks, everyone for your assistances. I have come into some detailed info that renders this request no longer relevant.
No further info required.
john