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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Flickgirl on Thursday 09 July 09 20:34 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I have an 1858 marriage entry which states: "Solemnized at the parish church, parish of Liverpool, county of Lancaster." The marriage took place in the district of West Derby. I've searched online and found the Parish Church of Liverpool is called "The Church of Our Lady and St Nicholas" but I was just wondering what exactly this phrase means and if that church would have been the one it refers to? Does it mean this is where they were married or is it similar to the Scottish "According to the banns of.." Thanks for any help (Scottish records are much more my forte!)
Regards
Michelle
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Hi Michelle,
Try www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and see if they are listed as it should give the name of the church if it was a Church of England marriage. This is an ongoing project so not all records are listed as yet. But I think in that time frame they are.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Mo,
Thanks for the help; Lancashire BMD says it was at Liverpool, St Peter. The couple were living in Finch Street at the time but I haven't managed to find that on a map either. Thanks.
Regards
Michelle
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Hi,
Finch Street is no longer there but Gildart Street, Falkland Street and Stafford Street are. For an old map try:
http://www.leverpoole.co.uk/hackney-1855.shtm
Choose the fourth square from the left in the middle row. The go to the bottom right of the map. You should see the above mentioned streets with Finch Street running through them, parallel to Upper Islington.
Regards,
Mo
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Finch Street was renamed probably to Kempston Street in the early 1860s. It ran from Norton Street to Moss Street.
The Liverpool (London Road) plan from Alan Godfrey gives a good view of the houses and courts - http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/liv25.htm
As Michelle says, St Peters was the parish church at the time.
Ken
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Hi Mo & Ken,
Thanks a lot for the information and maps; it looks like it was right in the centre of town then. I hadn't expected that since their marriage is registered as West Derby (did the West Derby area cover the centre in the 1850s as well as I had thought if it was central it was the registration district of Liverpool?) Also the family lived in Kirkdale and Bootle on later censuses so I thought they may have married further north - you learn something new and all that!
St Peters was the parish church at the time.
Ken
Since the marriage was central it would seem they would have married at St Peter's then; did all marriages have to take place in the "Parish" Church in England or did "solemnized at the parish church" just mean the marriage was approved by or read out at the Parish Church? If the former you would think a Parish Church in a city centre like Liverpool would have been overran! Thanks again for the help.
Regards
Michelle
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St Peters Parish Church was in Church Street, where Woolworths used to be followed by the huge HMV stores and now where the entrance to Liverpool One arcades are. there is a memorial plaque in the pavement.
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Hi Michelle
West Derby registration district (for BMDs) covered everywhere but the centre. So I am surprised about the St Peters and West Derby information.
(http://usera.ImageCave.com/km1971/West_Derby.png.jpg)
The separate shaded area to the south of the centre is Toxteth Park, which became a district in its own right in 1881.
If the marriage certificates says it took place in the parish church it would be St Peters. If you don't have the certificate you should buy it. You should also post the name of the vicar.
Can you say where your 'marriage entry' is from?
Ken
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There was also the areas within the West Derby Hundred.
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Hi Michelle
If the marriage certificates says it took place in the parish church it would be St Peters. If you don't have the certificate you should buy it. You should also post the name of the vicar.
Can you say where your 'marriage entry' is from?
Ken
Hi Ken,
Thanks for that information and the map; it's really cleared things up for me as regards what constitutes West Derby and what doesn't. The query was from a friend in the US who I'm looking up some English census returns and indexes for as his Ancestry subscription doesn't cover them. He probably wouldn't mind me putting the full details on here but I thought it best not to since I haven't asked him. He was confused by the "Solemnized at the Parish Church, Parish of Liverpool, County of Lancaster" line so I said I'd try to find out what it means (I'm not too used to English records.)
I've now looked up the marriage myself and found it under Liverpool, not West Derby, so that makes more sense considering St Peter's was the Church; I think we'd just mistakenly put this one down as West Derby due to all the later ones being West Derby. Thanks again for the help.
Regards
Michelle