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Hello out there I am quite new to all this and I am getting to know how and where to look now and have had a lot of help from Roots, but I am completely puzzled by one side of my family . My grandmother was Cathrine Foden born 1905 her parents were Mary Foden nee Donnelly (her father was Bernard) and Father was Joseph Foden and his father was also Joseph Cathrine was born in New Summer Street Birmingham
Mary Donnelly was born in 1874 and Joseph Foden was born in 1869/70.
I cannot seem to trace the Fodens anywhere and I have not tried the Donnelly's as yet.
Whenever I try and trace a Foden It seems they are all up in Lancashire and surrounding areas no where near Birmingham and I cannot find a connection
Any advice
Gracelands
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Hi Gracelands
I see what you mean after a quick look 81 to 1901 however I have found Joseph and family in 1871 in New Summer St - do you have this? If not I can post details
Jan ;)
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Here we go:
1871 RG 10 piece 3122 folio 79 page 21
Joseph Foden 40 gunmaker Birmingham
Phoebe Foden 30 Hadley Heath Warwickshire
Walter Foden 4 Birmingham
Joseph Foden 2
Living at 32 New Summer Street
Jan
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Hi Jan
I think Walter must be 17 or a very precocious 4 yr old as he is listed as a gun maker ;D Looks as if Joseph senior was married before.
Jan ;)
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Here he is in 1881 transcribed as FODON
RG 11 piece 3002 folio 10 p 13
Pheobe Fodon 46 widow laundress
Joseph William Fodon 11
address 16 CT 2 house Ceceil St Birmingham
Jan
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Hi - yes you're right he was 17, showed up as 4 on the front page and I didn't check!
That explains why he isn't with the family in 1881. Hope Joseph senior didn't die as a result of an accident with the guns he was making ;D
Jan
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;D Jan
Still can't see him in 1891 or 1901 ??? Wonder if Phoebe remarried and he is under step-dad's name?
When did he marry, Gracelands?
Jan ;)
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Here's the marriage of his parents:
Joseph Foden
Phoebe Mortiboy
4th quarter 1866 Birmingham 6d 293
Jan
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Hi,
Possible for Mary in 1901
RG13/2844 28/3
12, 3 Court, New Summer Street, Brum.
Mary Foden head mar 28 Press worker Birmingham
Mary " dau 4 "
No sign of Joseph tho.
Best wishes
Cathy :)
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Hi
Joseph married Mary Q1 1897, Birmingham 6d 149
Evie
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This looks like Catherine's birth:
Catherine Foden 3rd quarter 1905 Birmingham 6d 102
SO-- Joseph must be on the scene somewhere :D :D
Jan
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I wonder what his occupation was?
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He seems to be with Catherine and Mary in 1911 but still can't see him in 91 or 01 - very odd. Working away somewhere maybe?
Jan ;)
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:) Well a big thank you everyone for your help.
I think I can say that Joseph Foden the father of my grandmother who I knew nothing about was born to Joseph and Phoebe and that Phoebe died in 1886 aged 52 & I believe that Joseph was married before this as he had a son Walter and was a widower on the 1861 census.
From here I think I need to find the death of Josephs first wife somewhere between approx 1854 and 1861 when Joseph is named as a Widower or find Walters birth certificate.
I obviously will need the marriage of Joseph and his second wife Phoebe.
I would not have this information if it was not for all your help .
So once again thanks
Gracelands
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Hi Gracelands
I can't see an obvious first marriage for Joseph - can you?
This looks like Walter's birth though in case you haven't already found it
Walter Foden Jan qtr 1853 Birmingham Vol6d Pg154
Glad things are coming together :D
Jan ;)
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Hi,
Could this be Walter`s bapt on line IGI ?
Walter Henry FODEN brn: 19 Dec 1852, bpt: 31 Dec 1854, St Georges, Brum.
Parents: Joseph & Mary Ann FODEN.
Devis :)
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Hi Gracelands, saw these on the IGI, extracted entries.
WALTER HENRY FODEN b 19th Dec 1852, ch 31st Dec 1854 St. George, Birmingham. Father-Joseph, Mother-Mary Ann
If his parents were married this one might be worth considering.
Joseph Foden=Mary Bradley 14th May1848 Cathedral, Manchester.
I know it's not near Birmingham but you never know.
Also, on FreeCen - 1841 Census Joseph 10yrs ( Barrel Filer) with Father Joseph 40 (tool maker) and Mother Ann 40, all born Warwickshire.
Val
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Looks as if Joseph's mother may have died and his father remarried as this is the picture in 1851
48 New Summer St
Joseph Foden Head M 54 Toolmaker Aston
Sarah do Wife 56 Birmingham
Joseph do Son U 23 Gun Barrel Filer Birmingham
Thomas Adams Brother to wife 53 U Birmingham
HO107/2058/933 Pg12
Doesn't look as if the 1848 marriage can be the one as Joseph is unmarried :(
Jan ;)
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On FreeBMD there is this marriage
Joseph Foden April qtr 1851 King's Norton District (covers part of Birmingham) Vol18 Pg 517 with a Mary Ann Roberts on the same page
Death
Mary Ann Foden Oct qtr 1856 Birmingham Vol6d Pg111
Jan ;)