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I have just viewed the 1911 census regarding my Griggs ancestors. To my amazement I found that my 2 x Great Grandparents Robert Griggs and Hannah Sayner had 11 children prior to the 1911 census. Only 4 of which were still living at the time of the census. I have looked on FreeBMD.org.uk and also on YorkshireBMD.org.uk but can't find traces of either the births or death of any of the deceased 7 Griggs children.
Robert Griggs and Hannah Sayner were married in Leeds in 1874
the living children were:
James (my Gt.Grandfather) b.1875
George Henry b.1877
Tom b.1879
Robert b.1881
Can anyone please offer any suggestions where I can look for them.
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Have you tried searching the 1911 for the 7 children separately? For example, I searched for Elizabeth 1897 born Leeds and there may be a match in Leeds shows age as 14.
If there were any other female Griggs' in those 7 children, you could try looking on free bmd for a marriage record.
I did see an Elizabeth Hannah Griggs on freebmd birth registered q/e Dec 1896, Leeds vol 9b page 477, could be your Elizabeth especially as her mother's name was Hannah.
Good luck searching
Shirl
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It may be that they were stillborn or late miscarriage and the parents put them down. At that sort of date they should show up on FreeBMD. Have you checked the church records for the parish where the other children were baptised? They may show up as burials there.
Andrea
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Hi,
Is this the family?
1901 RG13; Piece: 4226; Folio: 11; Page: 13
23 Haymount Place Leeds
Robert Griggs 52 Brick Burner (?) b Suffolk Mildenhall
Annie Griggs 52 b Bretherton Yorks
Tom Griggs 21 general labourer b Hunslet
Robert Griggs 20 Private 3rd West Yorkshire Regt (on leave) b Hunslet
Elizabeth Griggs daur 4 b Leeds
Bertie Leaveland 21 boarder general labourer b Castleford
There's a very big gap - I wonder if Elizabeth is a grandaughter?
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1891 RG12; Piece: 3695; Folio 81; Page 25
has the children you name. Could it be an error - do the numbers definitely read as such.
If so Andrea's suggestion re the church would be good.
heywood
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Thanks Heywood,
Yes, that is my family, and yes, the Elizabeth on there is the grandaughter. She is my grandma :)
I live in Spain now so searching the chursh/parish records is not an option. Any other suggestions ???
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I have just looked at Yorkshire BMDs and Free BMD and can't spot any births with relevant deaths.
I think the 1911 census asks for children born alive. If the births were still births I don't think they would count because such births weren't registered. Perhaps the mother felt strongly enough to note them or perhaps it was an error.
She hadn't been married before had she? Previous births are also counted although 7 children is a lot :-\
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Further to this and a better search ::)
Possibility..
Birth 1883 :Eizabeth H
Death 1887 Elizabeth Hannah 3 yrs Hunslet
that's the only one that seems to be the right place.
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Thanks again Heywood for your efforts. It looks like a death end, if you pardon the pun.
I wonder if there is a way to search the church/parish registers online?
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can't see anything :(
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LDS family History centres are worldwide and listed on www.familysearch.org You can get hold of the film of nearly all parish registers to search there. they order them in from Salt lake City for you and you have a month or two to look at them there. Otherwise try contacting the Borthwick Institute in York and ask them to look for you at which ever church the others are in. The IGI has good coverage of Leeds too so they should be on there with luck. I assume you have tried that?
Andrea
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Thanks Andrea.
No I haven't tryied IGI as the search asks you for a First name, which I don't have, or have they changed it?
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If you only put a surname then you cannot cut down the search sensibly but it is worth a try. You have some first names so put those in and if you get a hit then click on the batch number and just put a surname in the search box that comes up. You then see all entries on the film for that name. Robert Griggs brings up some very early ones which may bear fruit later.
Andrea
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Hi Yorkshire Rose,
I did check with Family Search but couldn't find anything - sorry for not posting that.
You can do a parent search on that site: enter the parents names and years - I had tried it 10 yrs +/- 1885 and only two names come up which are Sheffield area so I ignored them - I didn't check them in censuses in other families so who knows ;)
Similarly, I tried for Parish records online in Hunslet/Castleford and Leeds which are places of birth for the living children but again no joy.
As Andrea said, you can order the films through a LDS centre- I have done this with good results in the past. You could try the parish perhaps where the couple were married as a starter.
For Robert - you would go to Suffolk where his origins were.
good luck
heywood
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Thank you so much for looking Heywood. It's much appreciated.
Can you tell me how you managed to search the parish register for Hunslet/Castleford on-line?
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Sorry for the misunderstanding - I meant I tried to get them online but no joy- they are not there :(
It would be worth trying to get them through an LDS centre if you can.
best wishes