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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: emaline on Thursday 09 July 09 16:27 BST (UK)
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I have a RICHARD HOCKING a Carpenter/Joiner on the marriage certificate of his son HENRY HOCKING who married Louisa Roberts of South Stoneham, Southampton 6/6/1865.
On the marriage certificate Henry says he was born Truro. I think about 1843 give or take.
So far I have not been able to find him with a father of Richard in Truro
Whether his father was alive then I do not know.
The closest I can get is the 1851 census which says--
Eliza Ann Cook Hocking age 36 born Bermondsey.
Son Richard 15 born Cornwall. Shoemaker born Cornwall.
George W 12 Blacksmith born Bermondsey.
Henry 7 years. born Cornwall
As the father could have been absent on that dayof the census I assume that he is the father Richard. I have sent for one birth certificate for Henry, and yes, it was the wrong one. Can I ask for help to assertain that the above is the correct family and maybe Henrys date of birth??
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Can we have a bit of clarification please?
You say Henry was born Truro - where did this come from, as marriage certs dont give places of birth?
Have you found Henry and his wife in later censuses, is his place and year of birth consistant then?
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Here is Henry in 1871. You may have this, but it does help build up a picture of his movements.
RG10 690 40 30
Elm Cottages, Grosvenor Rd, Lambeth, Surrey
Henry 27 Plumber bn Cornwall
Louisa 25 bn Hants Southampton
William 2 bn Surrey Peckham
Herbert 10 mths bn Surrey Stockwell
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Could this possibly be him in 1861?
RG9 330 39 3
Southwark, Surrey
Large lodging house - several pages!
Henry Hocking 19 Plumber bn Penzance Cornwall
(indexed Hacking)
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Yes, the 1851 that you have found does seem to be quite a possibility - esp with the link with Surrey/Sth London
But there is more to it than you listed!
HO107 1918 582 24
Adelaide Street , Madron
Eliza Ann Cook Hocking 36 widow bn Bermonsey
Richard 15 shoemaker bn Penzance
George 12 blacksmith bn Bermonsey
Henry 7 bn Penzance
William 2 bn Penzance
James J 10 mths bn Penzance
So unless there was a bit of hanky panky going on, Eliza must have only recently been widowed, well within the previous 19 months.
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Little James's middle initial leads me to this:
Birth
Jul/Aug/Sep 1850
Penzance 9 201
James Joseph Hocking
His birth cert would indicate if Eliza had been married to a Richard or not, but would not confirm for sure if he was also Henry's father - though marriage cert of Henry has given you that.
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Is this the one you sent for?
Henry Hocking
Jul/Aug/Sep 1844
Penzance 9 252
If not, that seems most likely.
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There seem to be 3 possible deaths for husband Richard - if indeed husband WAS Richard!
1848 Richard
1849 Richard Edward
1849 Richard Warren
all Penzance
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This could be the confirmation that this is the right family - ie the husband was Richard, a carpenter!
1841
HO107 693 7
Wellington Rd Cottages, Bethnal green
Richard 25 carpenter & j N
Eliza 25 Y
Richard 5 N
George 2 Y
Eliza 4mths Y
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IGI has this marriage - extracted
8 April 1833
St James Bermonsey
Eliza Ann Cooke Winson
to Richard Stephens Hocking
(doesnt tie up with any of those Richard deaths!!!!, perhaps he dropped the Stephens bit and went as plain Richard)
But I think there is probably now enough evidence that this is your Henry's family.
Birth cert needed to finally clinch it.
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A long, long overdue" thank you" to Lizdb for all the information you unearthed for me. I am now getting back to send for a birth certificate for Richards son Henry.
Henrys father may not have been actually at the wedding. He could have just supplied that information. So I am going to use all that lovely information to go forward.
Please forgive me for not replying sooner. I look after my husband, blind and diabetic and my dughter who is facing yet another operation on her kidney.
Kind regards to you
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Hello lizb.
I have just received the birth certificate for Henry Hocking. You will be pleased to know that you were on the right track. As for me, I am delighted.
Henry's birth certificate does NOT name Richard as his father, Birth 31/1/1844. Registered 8/2/1844
It does name Eliza Ann formerly Wilson, as his mother. Residing at New St, Penzance.
Either Richard had died or was not around.
Thank you for all your lovely help. Never thought I would discover all this. Wonderful!
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Hi
Thanks for all the lovely information! I am descended from another of Richard's sons, George, b 1839. Incidentally, Eliza's maiden name must have been Winson, not Wilson, as the Winson name survived as a first name into the next generation. George's son's family went into Brushmaking.
I had no idea that the family were quite so well travelled - all my other relations are in the Bermondsey / Southwark area. Do you have any views on the ease (or otherwise) of travelling so far at the time? Would it have been to seek work in London, or perhaps he had contacts there?
I would be interested to know what happened to Richard (b.1836) and also to Eliza (b 1841) - who may have died in infancy, and Henry, of course.
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You are perfectly correct Katiej the surname was Winson and not Wilson. A slip of the keys I think.
It was a rather long distance for that family to travel. But as Elizabeth Cooke -Winson was born Bermondsey (married 8/4/1833, St James Church, Bermondsey. Witness Edward Cann and Sarah Wilson) As Richard was born Cornwall. His parents were Richard and Hannah born Cornwall. That could explain why they travelled so extensively. Husband Richard died at St Mary (Madron Chapelry) Penzance 20/10/1841 aged 27.
Son Richard is a Shoemaker in the 1851 census age 15 years. Have not located Dughter Eliza born 1841.
I see George married Matilda Taylor Gee and lived Southwark Surrey. Son George born Nottingham.
I think I have got that correct. In my search there were other Hocking families in London and most certainly in Cornwall. Eliza and Richard must have gone back to Cornwall as maybe he was already ill and wanted to be where he was born and amongst his own family. Eliza went on to have other children (no marriage ) Hope this helps you further. If you need any more info and I have it, will be pleased to let you have it.