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Title: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 13:38 BST (UK)
Hi,
I just wondered if someone could help me...
My Great Grandmother was Catherine Mitchinson..I know about her marriage and children.
But I have been looking into her Parents and siblings.The trouble is when I put details of who I think her Mother may be, I mainly get America details.
Catherine was born 1876...
and married at Middlebrough..(to G Baldam)..I am not sure where she was born.
I used to have a peice of paper with a few things written on it..But I cant find it anywhere.
Her Mum may have been Prudence, Please can someone tell me what you think,
Thanks so much
Christine
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 13:48 BST (UK)
Marriages September qtr 1898 

Catherine Mitchinson Middlesborough  9d 924
George Pearson Baldam
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 13:52 BST (UK)
1901 census for 70 Telford St Ormesby Yorks - all b Middlesborough except George

George Pearson Baldam 27  b North Ormesby Yorks - railway engine driver
Catherine   25 
Agnes  2 
Violet 8 months 
RG13 Piece 4587 Folio 24 Page 39
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 13:54 BST (UK)
Hi CaroleW,
Many thanks but I have that info...I was trying to go into Catherines life before her marriage to George P Baldam..
Thankyou
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 13:55 BST (UK)
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Many thanks but I have that info...I was trying to go into Catherines life before her marriage to George P Baldam

There has to be a starting point before you can go backwards

1881 census - all b Middlesborough except Prudence

William MITCHINSON  38   Moulder (Iron)    
Prudence 37  b Birmingham
Catherine  6    
William P 3  
John George  1
RG11   Piece 4848 Folio 74   Page 11
  
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 13:57 BST (UK)
Wow...Thanks very much, So it was Prudence. And she was all the way from Birmingham!!. Gosh wonder what took her there..
Thankyou very very much
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 13:58 BST (UK)
Marriages March qtr 1869  
 
Prudence  Davies Stockton  10a 107    

William  Mitchinson     Stockton  10a 107

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So it was Prudence. And she was all the way from Middlesbrough


Prudence was from Birmingham
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 13:58 BST (UK)
Wow...Thanks very much, So it was Prudence. And she was all the way from Birmingham !!. Gosh wonder what took her there..
Thankyou very very much
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CarolynWinterburn on Thursday 09 July 09 14:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
There is a family  tree on Ancestry with Catherine Mitchinson born 1876 Middlesborough,  having the parents William and Prudence Pine.

Siblings... William Mitchinson 1873 –  Catherine Mitchinson 1876 –  William P. Mitchinson 1878 –  John George Mitchinson 1880 –  Ann Mitchinson 1882 –  Joseph Mitchinson 1886 –  Jacob E Mitchinson 1894

Carolyn
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 14:02 BST (UK)
Thankyou...I was getting excited,I did put my mistake right.
Its amazing how quickly you do all this,
Honestly thankyou so much
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 14:05 BST (UK)
1851 census for Birmingham Warwickshire - all children b Birmingham

Edward Davis 40  carpenter b Brinfield Herefordshire
Prudence 39                              Webley   ditto
Mary   12 
Jane  10 
Prudence   9 
Harriet 7 
Edward   4 
Thomas  11 Months 
Thomas Davis 37  brother b Brinfield Hereford
HO107 Piece 2052 Folio 412 Page 35
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 14:08 BST (UK)
And her parents marriage from the IGI at www.familysearch.org

EDWARD DAVIS    Spouse:  PRUDENCE TOMKINS
Marriage:  08 JAN 1837   Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, 
 
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 14:10 BST (UK)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
CaroleW
I am so utterly shocked at that info...My goodness me..
I live in Hereford...
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 14:10 BST (UK)
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There is a family  tree on Ancestry with Catherine Mitchinson born 1876 Middlesborough,  having the parents William and Prudence Pine.

I don't know where they got the Pine from - proceed with caution on that one
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 14:16 BST (UK)
This is a possibility for Prudence seniors birth/parents

PRUDENCE TOMPKINS   Christening:  12 JUN 1814   Dilwyn, Hereford   Father:  JOSEPH TOMPKINS  Mother:  MARY 
 
I don't know whether Webley/Dilwyn are in the same locality
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 14:23 BST (UK)
Dear CaroleW...Please can I borrow you for a week. Weobley is about 12 miles from me, and Dilwyn mabey little further...
What a strange feeling this is!!!!!!!.
I am full honestly.
Thankyou very very much
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 17:59 BST (UK)
In 1861 - Prudence Davis was aged 18  and working as a servant for the Berrick family in Birmingham

RG9 Piece 2136 Folio 98 Page 60

Mum Prudence died 1852

Prudence Davies December qtr 1852 Birmingham Volume: 6d
Page: 23

Little brother Edward is in the Birmingham Bluecoat School aged 13 and as I can't find dad Edward in 1861 - suspect he also died pre-1861
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 18:26 BST (UK)
This is a submitted IGI entry so I always advise caution as submitted entries are often unreliable (like the Prudence Pine entry)

EDWARD DAVIES   Christening:  11 NOV 1810   Brimfield, Hereford   Father:  GEORGE DAVIES    Mother:  MARY 

1841 for Birmingham - only daughter Mary was b Warwickshire

Edward Davis 30 
Prudence   25 
Mary 1 
Thomas Davis 20 
James Davis 25 
HO107 Piece 1142/4  Folio 12 Page 16

There was also a family called Washborn at the same address but the 1841 does not show relationships

Thomas Davis was with Edward & Prudence in 1851 as brother so I would reckon James is another brother

These are both extracted records so have been taken from the original entry

JAMES DAVIES   Christening:  16 FEB 1817   Brimfield, Hereford,    Father:  GEORGE DAVIES   Mother:  MARY 

THOMAS DAVIES   Christening:  09 APR 1815   Brimfield, Hereford   Father:  GEORGE DAVIES    Mother:  MARY 

Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 19:17 BST (UK)
RIGHT - let's have a look at your Mitchinson line

Deaths
Prudence Jane Mitchinson aged 66 March qtr 1910
Middlesbrough  Volume: 9d Page: 373 

1901 census for Middlesborough - all b Middlesborough except Prudence

William Mitchinson 56  iron moulder
Prudence   55  b Birmingham
John G  21 
Jacob E 17 
Annie E  19 
RG13 Piece 4576 Folio 152 Page 9

NOW - this is where they got Prudence Pine from - they need shooting!!

1891 census is mistranscribed and Prudence is shown as Pine Mitchinson - birthplaces as above

William Mitchinson 49  moulder
Pine (Prudence but shown as Prue on the image) 48 
Callie Will  (Catherine per image) 17 
William   18 
John   11 
Ann   9 
Joseph Edward 4 - this is Jacob Edward aged 7 b 1884 per freebmd     
RG12 Piece 4006 Folio 21 Page 3



 
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 20:12 BST (UK)
Dear CaroleW,
I never expected,to be helped in such a way as you have helped me.
What you have done for me is just so utterly brilliant..You are amazing.
I cant stop reading it all. I cant wait to show my Mum all this when I go up to Durham next month.
Thankyou for all the time and effort you have put into it,
It really has touched me,
Thankyou millions
Chrissie xx
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 22:10 BST (UK)
This is where we get onto uncertain ground with William Mitchinson

His birthyear varies slightly between 1842-1845 but his birthplace is consistently Middlesborough

There is no William Mitchinson b around those years in Middlesborough on the 1851 census

There is an 1851 entry for a William Mitcheson aged 9 living with grandparents surname Blinkhorne but he was born in Osmotherley Yorks

There is a William Mitchinson aged 7 born in Whorlton parents John (a blacksmith) & Elizabeth.  He is still at home in 1861 and birthplace is shown as Swainby Yorks

I've tried just searching on William b Middlesborough but no joy

I think you are going to need a copy of the 1869 marriage cert to find his fathers name and occupation
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 22:32 BST (UK)
This is brilliant Carole, Gosh I havent ordered such an old cert before,I am so intrigued what it will say,
I will go to bed tonight with a big smile on my face..
Thankyou
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: DEVIS on Thursday 09 July 09 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi,

Hope you don`t mind me adding something :) poss for William

Census 1861 RG09/3685/12/18. Stockton, Durham.
31 Stockton St.
SPENCE Louisa H Wid   age:80                b:London
MITCHENSON William Granson u/m age:19 Moulder b:Middlesboro.

Devis :)
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 22:56 BST (UK)
Hi Devis

That is a great find - I have only been looking in Yorkshire, forgetting that Middlesborough spans both Yorks and Durham
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 23:09 BST (UK)
So this is probably his birth reg.  I saw this earlier and forgot his marriage was also reg in Stockton - DUH!!

William Mitchinson September qtr 1841  Stockton 
County = Durham & Yorkshire - North Riding 
Volume: 24  Page: 245
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Thursday 09 July 09 23:13 BST (UK)
Fasinating..
Maybe this is why they moved to Durham after Middlesbrough...
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 23:41 BST (UK)
I think I have found him in 1851 - in Canongate Edinburgh - all b England

Pearson Mitchinson 37  flint glass cutter
Ann   31 
William   9 
Louisa/Luisa   7  (after grannie)
Jacob 6  (see 1891 census - son Jacob)
Sarah Ann 4 
Margaret 1 
Edinburgh Canongate ED: 31 Page  6 Line 2

Marriages December qtr 1840
 
Pearson MITCHINSON      Stockton    24 185   
Ann SPENCER Stockton  24 185

Margaret Mitchinson   Christening:  24 JUN 1849   Middlesborough Circuit Wesleyan Methodist, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire 
Father:  Peirson Mitchinson    Mother:  Ann 

Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 23:45 BST (UK)
Extracted IGI record

PEARSON MITCHINSON   Birth:  18 DEC 1813   
Christening:  24 DEC 1815   Gateshead, Durham   
Father:  JACOB MITCHINSON    Mother:  SARAH 

And they were still in Edinburgh in 1860

PEARSON MITCHINSON   Birth:  27 AUG 1860   Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh Father:  PEARSON MITCHINSON    Mother:  ANN SPENCE

And son Jacob married there

PEARSON MITCHINSON   Birth:  15 FEB 1871   Edinburgh, Midlothian  Father:  JACOB MITCHINSON    Mother:  MARGARET AITKEN
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 July 09 23:54 BST (UK)
1861 for Edinburgh - the Scottish images are not available on Ancestry - transcriptions only

Children from Frances onwards b Edinburgh

84 Canongate Edinburgh

Pearson Mitchinson 48  glass cutter b Newcastle
Ann 42  b Middlesborough
Sousar (Louisa)  18 
Jacob   16 
Margaret 10 
Frances   8 
George   6 
Ann E   4 
Catherine  2 
Edinburgh Canongate ED 92 Page  8 Line 12

Strange 1871 entry - no children shown at all

1881 still in Edinburgh and living with them is daughter Catherine now Catherine Pow and 5mth old daughter Jamesina Pow

Pearson and Ann are not on the 1891 census so presumably died 1881-1891
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Friday 10 July 09 09:16 BST (UK)
Morning Carole,
I have just looked at what you have done...I cant close my jaw!!!its dropped so much.
How you have done all that is just beyond me, Its going to take me ages to digest it all, But I love it!!. Gosh dident they travel,
What I cant quite get my head around is the name Pearson?
When my Great grandmother  Catherine Mitchinson    married in 1898,
It was to George Pearson Baldam...
Going to make a coffee and have a good read of all your amazing work,
From the bottom of my heart
Thankyou
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 10 July 09 12:09 BST (UK)
I wondered about the Pearson name as well so I did a search for any other Mitchinson/Baldam marriages but there was only the 1898 one. 

By the way - you don't need that 1869 marriage cert now that we know who Williams parents were
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Friday 10 July 09 14:13 BST (UK)
Hi Carole,
Its just starting to sink in....So much info, Gosh your so quick.
I wonder if they were related in some way...been digging through all my old paperwork I have on the Baldams.
Hope you have a lovely weekend,I will never ever forget what you have done for me.
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou
Chrissie x
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 12 July 09 13:19 BST (UK)
Hi Chrissie - visitors have gone so let's round it off with the Baldam's.  I've tried to keep it in order from 1841 onwards so you can follow the family through the censuses

First - these are the grandparents of George Pearson Baldam and they originated from Lincolnshire

Marriages Dec 1838 
 
John Baldam    Spilsby  14 923   
Maria Conyears Spilsby  14 923

1841 for West Keal West Fen Allotment Lincs

John Baldam 20 
Maria   20 
HO107 Piece 638/8 Folio 13 Page 21

1851 for Hull indexed as Baldon

John Baldon 30  b Lincs either Kichford or Kechford
Maria   31  b Lincs East Keal
John  11  b Lincs (cannot find on 1841 census) b East Keal
George   4   b Hull
Rachel   2  b Hull
John Featherston 26  lodger
HO107 Piece 2361 Folio 421 Page 8

In 1861 George Baldam was a servant in Hull

Deaths September qtr 1861
 
Maria Baldain Stockton  10a 31 (should be Baldam)

I can't find John or Maria in 1861 at the moment

Marriages September qtr 1869  (parents of George Pearson Baldam) 
 
George Baldam    Stockton  10a 97 
Betty Emma Simpson 

1871 for Stockton

George Baldam 25  b Hull - horse driver at brickyard
Betsey E 19  b Thornaby
Matthew 1    ditto
RG10 Piece 4902 Folio 92 Page 12

1881 67 Lawson St Stockton On Tees Durham,- all b Stockton unless shown otherwise

George Baldam  34   b Hull  Gen Labourer     
Betsy E  27   
Matthew  11 
John C 8 
George P 7   b North Ormsby  
Mary E 4   
Charles  2   
Rachel M  11 months   
William  18 nephew   Gen Labourer 
RG11/4898 Folio 149   Page 3

1891 for 85 Telford St Ormesby   - indexed as Buldam.  All b Stockton unless shown otherwise

George Baldam 45  b Hull ironworks labourer
Betsy E   39 
Mathew 21 
John C  18 
George P 17   b North Ormesby
Maria E 14 
Charles  12 
Rachel   10  b Durham North Stretton
Florence 8  b North Ormesby
Edith   6  b North Ormesby
Frederick  3  b North Ormesby
RG12 Piece 4018 Folio 121 Page 26 

The 1911 free index has a George Pearson Baldam b 1902 and a Prudence Baldam b 1905 both living in Middlesborough

Freebmd has a Charles b 1913 Sedgefield - indexed as Balddam
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Sunday 12 July 09 14:41 BST (UK)
Hello CaroleW,
Hope your weekend went well !
This info is brilliant...and Lincolnshire..how strange again,Thats where my OH family come from.
So many different spellings of Baldam too,  no wonder its been so hard.
Its wonderfull to be able to look at all this,and try and see what their lives must have been like.
Thankyou Carole,you have been marvelous to me...
1913 Charles is my Grandmothers Brother....He was a witness at her Wedding.
No one has been able to find the birth of her, This is the lady I told you about that  others tried to help with...Someone said she might have been born a different name.
My Grandmother was Isabella Baldam born 1912 ? but definately Nov .died 1968 ....first quarter
Thankyou very very much
Chrissie
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 12 July 09 17:49 BST (UK)
Hi Chrissie

Saw her marriage and she was Isabella N Liddle when she died - can you confirm I have the right surname

If she was born in November and was 64 when she died in the March qtr of 1968 (as per death reg) that gives a birthyear of November 1913  which does not tie in with Charles born the same year

If you are sure she was b 1912 then he age on her death reg is wrong

Do you know whether she was b Middlesborough or Sedgefield
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: SusanL on Sunday 20 September 15 19:36 BST (UK)
HI Chrissie,
although your post was a few years ago, it came up on a recent web search.

I am a descendent of Pearson Mitchinson (b 1813 Newcastle, Gateshead, Durham; baptised 1815 www.familysearch.org Indexing Project (Batch) Number:P00059-2 System Origin:England-ODM Source Film Number:252785). He is my great x3 grandfather.

Your search has probably moved on by now. However I have  lot of information about those particular Mitchinsons, including the Canongate/Edinburgh ones (that I am directly descended from) that I would be happy to share - if you still want it. Just let me know.

I haven't found very much on the generation before (Jacob Mitchinson and Sarah Thompson in Gateshead, Durham) - in case you have, I'd love to know more about them.

Best Wishes, Susan
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: chrissie0143 on Saturday 12 December 15 23:21 GMT (UK)
Hello Susan...
Thank you for contacting me, I have traced my Mitchinsons back to Edinburgh...Its been sometime since I have done my family tree, but would love to talk more
Best wishes
Chrissie xx
Title: Re: Has anyone got any time to spare please
Post by: Petra Mitchinson on Wednesday 03 May 23 23:57 BST (UK)
I have just joined RootsChat and saw this thread.

I know a lot about the origins of these MITCHINSONs. They originally came from Cumberland and were Quakers. I have an extensive family tree for the earlier generations. However, they are not (as far as I know) related to my husband.

If you are interested, please send me a message with your email address, and I can email you the tree that I compiled many years ago.