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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: truebritmega on Thursday 09 July 09 01:31 BST (UK)
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got a vague one here for you...
John Theophilus Heeley, born 1830 Birminghan England and was in NZ around 1862 and was a sheep and cattle farmer, I dont know where tho :( he was there until an "outbreak of pleuro" and then he left to Melbourne where he was a dr
sorry its vague but... lol
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Tried paperspast ?
When did he go to Oz ?
Did he marry in NZ ?
Are you sure he came to NZ ?
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lol yes, actually i found some of the details in paperspast he arrived in australia i believe, 1862and married a Mary Tiernan and later moved to NSW and was a dr at Young district for 27 years, and also became the Mayor of Young , but wayyyyy back before, im not sure when he went to nevada USA seeking his wealth in silver but nothing came of it, he got around a bit lol his daughter... married Denison Miller, first governor of the commonwealth bank of australia
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http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/22583/pages/5598
- he was in 1861 practising medicine at 31 Anglesea Road, Woolwich in a business with Robert Daly Walker.
- http://books.google.com/books?id=EmQqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA592&dq=%22John+Theophilus+Heeley%22&lr=
- and in 1859 married Helen Webster, eldest daughter of John Webster, Esq, solicitor of Manchester. He's listed as a surgeon of Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire.
He was in Australia by 1864, when he's listed in Victoria in the newspapers.
In 1861 they are there:
RG9/1045 69/5
Highcauseway, Whittlesea
John (T/J?) Heeley, 31, Physician LNCPI (LRCPI?) SAC?, b. Edgbaston Warwickshire.
Helen, 29, wife b. Manchester
John R. H., son, 1, b. Whittlesea. (John Howard Ratcliff Heeley).
(that is, he may be listing himself as Licentiate Royal College of Physicians of Ireland)
In 1871 Helen is living in Cookham, Berkshire:
RG10/1292 67/59
Crawford Terrace
Helen Heeley, "wife", married, 39, b. Lancashire
John H, 10, scholar b. Whittlesea
Arthur, 9, son b. Woolwich (may have been born as Edmund Arthur Herbert)
Thomas Harrop, uncle, 60, income from dividends, b. Manchester (there is a note: 'imbecile from birth').
In 1881 Helen is claiming to be widowed and is living with sons John and Arthur in Leicester. She may have died there in 1911 aged 79. John R. H. and her are living together in Leicester in 1911; he died there in 1928.
Arthur became an artist and moved to Cornwall. He had a wife Catherine (nee Illingworth) and a daughter Dorothy who is on the 1911 census. (may be Dorothy Venour Heeley?)
Going back to John's movements, there's various possibles coming into Victoria - under spellings like Heely, Hearley, Healey, Heafey etc. It might be hard to track him-- I suspect that the US thing might have been a red herring as he probably wanted to have some excuse for where he had been for those years when he was married to Helen!
Have you been able to trace him in the medical directory/medical register? He should show up during those years he was practising in England, and that should say where he was educated.
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hmmm lol, had no idea about the helen marriage, but it must be the same fella?....the nevada link, well, ive seen that a number of times and his father is listed in a census as a silversmith...
I havent searched the medical directory/medical register yet, I dont know where to find it?
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I'm just wondering when he found time for all this!
Where are you in the world at the moment? You can read about the Medical Register here:
http://user.itl.net/~glen/doctors.html
If there is a large library/university library near you they may have it, otherwise you will have to find one that will answer postal enquiries.
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There is a Dr Heeley mentioned 1847 in NZ
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZSCSG18470508.2.3&srpos=9&e=-------10--1----0heeley-all
so is this s different line
Bye
Althea
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Thank you Althea, I came across that the other day too when racking my mind trying to think of how to track down his shipping (i would love to find that out and to get a pic possibly of the ship, ships he travelled on) but Im assuming, that Dr Heeley is a different one, as mine was born in 1830... but ty all the same i still appreciate it:)
jorose.. un huh Ive been thinking how did he get all the time too lol, for he was also in the Crimean war, had the Crimean medal with 3 clasps (they have a clasp apparently for each theatre of battle they were in) he had clasps for Sebastapol, Inkerman and Balaklava...
He was a medical student at that point, theres details of some of his medical life at this link (a whole page on him!)
http://www.medicalpioneers.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?detail=1&id=1279
he was back in the uk in 1858 and 60 to get his final qualifications
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I wonder (cos it appears this way) was Dr John a bigamist?? for the wife, Helen... does fit too, as the child, having the name ratcliff... Dr Johns mom was Marianne Ratcliff!
And yes I'll see what my library can do about that book... I live in wolverhampton England (next city to where Dr John was born lol )
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Hi
I am also researching the Heeley family and have found this info interesting. John Theophilus Heeley was my husband's great grandfather. I hadn't heard of a wife called Helen. Thanks all for the info
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Hi there lovely to meet another relative!, do you know anything more of him? perhaps what he did or where he went in Nevada? (feel free to get in touch w me!)
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i see we have the 1871 details here for Helen... but im just looking for the actual page in ancestry.co.uk and cant see it? lol how do I see it there? Im typing in for helen heeley and not finding her? HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!! lolololol
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found it lol (yes Im re visiting the heeleys lol )
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John Theophilus Heeley was my mum's great grandfather. One point missed in the discussion is that he was a ship's doctor on the Moana which sailed the Sydney Vancouver route in the early 1900's...a few years before he died. This is a quote from the Australasian medical Gazette from July 20 1910.
I think that he went to Nevada because he was having some sort of legal trouble with his business partner, Dr.John Daly Walker in 1852. He ran a pratice with him in 31 Anglesea Road Woolwich. Also said that he ran a pratice with his uncle, Dr. Joseph Heeley just before he went to Nevada..... but I don't think that this is correct.
He was also a successful squatter in Wakatipu in NZ and made lots of money with sheep...then he sold them for cattle and they all died from pleuro so he sold up and went to Victoria.
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Sadly... after all my (about 2 years worth) of research, it turns out I am not related to the Heeleys :( (one name out of place led me down the wrong path :( ) ... but, after so long researching them, Ive grown fond of these distant figures, so... Im making myself as of now an honarary Heeley LOLOL ... for I want to keep on researching them... ty Wakatipu for the great reply!! I had got about the Moana somewhere, dont know much of it, just the name (and I think i found a image of it online, but its been a while since Ive been on the Heeley line now so...)
But as to John being in partnership at one point w his uncle joseph, this is very very possible, as in one census he was living in Josephs household I knew the Anglesey road part (and he has a whole other family too than his later ones..) and the practice w Dr Daly... and that he was working with cattle in NZ, but didnt know "where".. so thats good too :) as to his Nevada travels, sadly I havent found anything yet:( other that he had gone there, so Id love to find more on that too...
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No worries...I have being trying to track down where he ran his medical practice in Seymour, Victoria. The website below says that he was actually a medical officer for the construction of the rail line which runs from Melbourne to Wodonga (the first half leg to Sydney).
Perhaps that is why we can't find where he lived.
I found the medical practice where he operated from in Young .....he was also Mayor of the local Council twice and a freemason....2 more leads on his life and character.
cheers
http://www.medicalpioneers.com/gallery.htm
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Hi Wakatipu
I am related to John Theophilus Heeley via his son Edmund Heeley. How are you related?
I passed through Seymour at the beginning of the year and had a look around. I purchased a book on Seymour history and it mentions Dr Heeley in it and a bit of information about his father-in-law Peter Tiernan.
Both my brother-in-law and I are trying to gather info on Dr Heeley. I hadn't heard of him being on the Moana. Where did you get that info from.
Just as a little bit of side info I am currently in Sydney celebrating Gwen Heeley's 100th birthday.
Regards
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well you already know me.. (if thats you gail? lol ) we've sent several messages to n fro each other(if that is you gail LOL)
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JT Heeley is my great great grandfather, my great grandfather was sir denison miller on my mother's side.
I got the info on the moana from a citation from the Australian medical Gazette from july 20 1910....the citation also says while in seymour........"On one occasion it was learnt that bushrangers intended to stick up the paymaster; the doctor carried the cash through safely, the paymaster being stuck up on his journey"
We don't have a lot of info in our family on the heeleys or his wife, hence my interest!
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Hi
Yes it is me, glad to see you are still an honorary member of the Heeleys.
Thanks Wakatipu I will have to try and find a copy of that Medical Gazette. I'm still finding info on the Heeleys. Will let you know what I find
Regards
Gail
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I had been trying to research more of the Denison Miller line too, didnt get far above his father Samuel tho