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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: rodgill on Wednesday 08 July 09 01:27 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on the following Butler family
John Butler (was married before, he had 4 children in first marriage) then married Jane Gormley they had 9 children .
Margaret , Henry,William,Francis,Martin,Patrick,Alice,Jane,& Peter (b1901) N.Z.
I am a great grandson of Francis Butler.
thankyou Rod Butler
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Hi Rod and welcome to rootschat :D
Have you some dates please for say John and Mary's marriage or for some of their kids?
Were they married in England and if so whereabouts?
Dates and places make searching simpler :D
If they lived in England until 1901- which is how one could read your post- have you checked them out on any census? Knowing this will avoid tranversing the same ground.
charlotte
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HI
Would this link be relating to Peter the son bn circa 1901.
http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/default.asp?Find_Quick.asp?PersonEssay=5B56
Wendy
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Hi I am very new here .yes this is the Peter , Im refering to , I am in contact with 1 of his daughters.
Mollyrose has been asking the same questions as I have , her last quiry was in 2006 I think , I havent been able to contact her , she is in Scotland & Im in Australia , we both come from the same Butler line , would love to get in contact with her.
thank you Rod
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Charlotte,
The Butlers come from Whiteabbey in Northern Ireland around late 1880s to 1915 then some moved to CarrickFergus & beyond.
John Butler died 1903, his second wife Jane Gormley Butler died 1950
I have copies of extracts of birth certs of their children 9 of them.
I know bits a pieces about Jane & her children , but Johns first marriage I know very little , he had 4 children I believe 1 was John died in WW1 he was married had children , his decendent has been asking the same questions Im asking on this site HER name is Jo Mollyrose.
I hope this makes sense.
Thanks Rod
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Rod, when you say he died in WW1 do you mean as a serviceman?
If so the CWGC [Commonweath War Grave Commission] site should have an entry for him which may give the names of his next of kin and address. It would be worth looking to see if this leads anywhere useful for you. The site is free to search etc.
charlotte
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Hi
I did find John Butler Jnr it tells me his regiment no. 9064, when he died on 27 Oct 1914 Royal Irish Rifles a rifleman, remembered LE TOURET MEMORIAL , but no mention of his next ofkin etc.
and also thank you for your efforts
Rod
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Rod, I think I'm correct in saying that you could get him army file if you wanted ityou certainly can get the files in Canada and Australia. ...
It may contain more family info.
A question about availability etc on the Armed AServices Board would tell you the answer if you decide you are interested in doing this.
charlotte
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do you know if there is away of contacting , Mollyrose , As I said before she has been looking for the same family as me.
John is her grand father I think.
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Was Mollyrose on RC?
charlotte
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Charlotte
Yes she was
I dont know who she is , I found her name by typing in BUTLER WHITEABBEY, and she was asking the same type of questions as I am.
Rod
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HI
If you click on Mollyrose's (Jo's) name it will give you further info and tell you that she has not been on this board since February this year. If you look at other posts she has made maybe someone else is in more direct contact with her.
I just hope for your sake that nothing has happened to her.
Wendy
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If you can find one of her posts again, even tho it is an old post click, on the little icon below here name and avatar- it's on left hand side of the page in the side column. It will show "personal message". click on that and it will bring you to a box in which you can type her a message asking her to contact you howver you wish to do that- thru RC or on your own email. Press Post then sit and wait.
If you also click on the other little icon it will show "profile"... go to that and it will tell you when her most recent visit to RC was. Gives you an idea if she's till logging on to RC. If she is she will receive your PM the next time she connects.
let us know how this goes- and if I haven't made it clear get back and ask.
I'm going off line for a while but will be back in an hour or so.
Good luck ;D
charlotte
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thank you both I will try this.
fingers crossed she comes back
Rod
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Rod, leave a Personal Message and if she comes back online to RC she'll get it when she logs on.
Hope it works out.
charlotte
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Hello
I was told John Butler was first married to a Mary Phillips 27 April 1861 in Greencastle R.C. Church had 3 children Sarah baptised 3 feb 1857 or there abouts, then Mary bap 7th june 1869, & John 1872,(HE died WW1) then something happened I dont know what. this could be wrong.I wonder if Henry is the Husband of Mary Phillips
John then married Jane Gormley had 9 children Margaret 1883,Henry 1886,William James(died WW1) 1887,Francis1889/90,Martin 1892(died WW1),Patrick 1895, Alice 1895,Jane 1897, Peter 1901.
In 1901 John & Jane were living in no. 3 concrete st Whiteabbey Antrim.John Died in 1903
In 1911 census Henry Butler aged 70 is living in no. 3 Concrete st with a John Butler & Catherine Butler
James Butler& agnes butler are living in no. 12 concrete st In 1911 Jane Butler is living in Lincoln st Falls with some of the children .I wonder if anyone can assist with any of the above. Thanks Rod
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I am looking for information on the following Butler family
John Butler (was married before, he had 4 children in first marriage) then married Jane Gormley they had 9 children .
Margaret , Henry,William,Francis,Martin,Patrick,Alice,Jane,& Peter (b1901) N.Z.
I am a great grandson of Francis Butler.
thankyou Rod Butler
Hi Rod,
John & Catherine had 3 children Maggie, Patrick & Kathleen. Maggie is still living and has just turned 98. I am her granddaughter. All her family are still living in Whiteabbey. I have just begun to research John Butler and found some records relating to him. Kathleen died recently but all her family are living in Edinburgh. We are all still in touch. I hope this helps. I have some documents just received yesterday that list all of Johns sisters and half brothers and sisters.
Henry was also known as Harry and he lived in Flanders where he tended the graves. he later returned to Whiteabbey to live with Maggie and we think he died whilst living in a nursing home in Bangor, Co DOwn
The Jo you are looking for is Kathleens daughter and lives in Edinburgh, i am in contact.
I see that you are in Australia, my Aunt Pauline, daughter of Maggie is in Newcastle near Sydney and Maggies son Michael is in NZ
I am John's great grand-daughter. John died on 27th October 1914 - battle at La Basse- Neuve Chapelle.
I have attached a photo of Maggie(*)
Cathy
(*) Moderator's Note: photos of living person removed. It would be best to send such pictures, current family details, etc. by email or other means. Members with at least 3 posts may use PM (Personal message) system to exchange email addresses, etc.
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Hello Cathy.
Thankyou very much for your reply.
It is wonderful to hear from you.
I have been inn contact in a roundabout way with Jo through another site. she shared her tree with me.
The family is spread all over the world. I am trying to get as much info together as I can. John Butler senior (johns father) can you see if anyone knows anything about him he died in 1903. whiteabbey.
what happened to Patrick ?can you find out?
great to hear from you. I would like to keep in contact.
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Hi Rod,
Do you mean Patrick (John Butler Jnr's) Brother or Son?
His son moved to England - Birmingham- Jo's has this information. He was known as Denis whilst in England.
When John Butler Jnr died in WW1 his wife, Catherine then went on to marry a man by the surname of Porter and had 6 other children. We think she died in Australia at the age of 97. She had no contact with her 3 children to John Butler Jnr.
Maggie was brought up by Mary Logue (4 Main Street, Whiteabbey) and Kathleen and Patrick where brought up by Sarah Corrigan (5 Main Street, Whiteabbey)
The street that you mentioned Concrete Street was actually known as Concrete Row my father, a local man in Whiteabbey informed me last night.
Maggie is in Donegal on holiday at the minute and i will try to contact her and ask about Patrick who would have been her uncle but she may not remember.
Have you any other questions?
Great to hear from you
Cathy
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Hi I am also looking into the Butler Clan and I keep coming back to this family (in Whiteabbey). I am hoping to contact Rodgill but seem unable to PM him. If you are online can you contact me.
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New members usually need 3 posts to use PM system- just post once more on this thread and you should then see little green scroll under usernames. Click on it, type message and then send.
However, rodgill hasn't been online since Sept.2010 so not sure if they will see your message.
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hi blackcornish
havent been reseraching for a long time if you get this le tme know
regards Rod
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This is for Cathy. If you still have relatives in Whiteabbey, are you able to find out if there are members of the Boyd family still living there? In 1851, John Boyd was keeper of the Belfast Hotel. In 1862, his daugher Martha Carson Boyd was proprietor. In 1865, Victoria Boyd became proprietor when her sister Martha married William Young. Later, the proprietorship passed to Victoria's sister Ellen, who died in 1913. My ggg grandfather Samuel Carson Boyd, exact birthplace in Ireland unknown but in Co. Antrim, had an uncle Samuel Carson and his mother Jenny Boyd was a Carson before marriage, as was Jenny's sister Isabella who married Thomas George of Ballyhill.
I feel that these Boyds could be related to my ancestors because of the Carson middle name for Martha. I would love to make contact with any Boyds that might still be living there.
Thank you for any help.
Peggy