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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: hamiltonhunt on Wednesday 08 July 09 01:06 BST (UK)
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Looking for information about my gggf, John HAMILTON, particularly birth information. I assume religion as Presbyterian based on marriage and involvement in Presbyterian Church as an adult.
John HAMILTON, Born c1837, Ballygawley, Tyrone
Father: David HAMILTON, farmer
Mother: Unnamed
Moved to Milford, Armagh in 1862 as National School Teacher
Married: 1962 in Third Presbyterian Church, Armagh
HAMILTONS in Ballygawley area in Griffiths Valuation:
David HAMILTON, Ballygawley, Meeting House Street, house, yard, garden.
Thomas HAMILTON, Ballygawley, Meeting House Street, house, yard, garden.
David HAMILTON, Collageery, 2 acres of land (no buildings?)
Since the David HAMILTON in Ballygawley has no land noted, and the one in Coolageery has no buildings noted, wondering if they might be the same person? Have no idea how to determine that. Thomas may have been related, that name does reappear in the family.
Would the Sir John M Stewart, landlord, be part of the Mt Stewart Newtownards family? A grandson (my gf) later worked at Mt Stewart Newtownards in 1922 when he married my gm.
The only likely John HAMILTON I can find in IFHF with David as father's name is in 1832 in Ballyclog. Both death record and obituary suggest 1837/38.....
Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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John Marcus Stewart, 3rd Baronet of Athenree, was not of the Newtownards family (unless by some very distant connection).
Adrian
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Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for your John Hamilton (born c1837)- for such an early date you need to search for church records (if they exist).
It's really impossible to know whether or not the IFHF record is the correct David Hamilton. Not sure how complete the IFHF church records are but since not all records for that period would still exist you can't know if any baptismal record exists without knowing other details like parents' names, etc.
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That's what I thought. It's a bit of a Catch 22, isn't it?
Any suggestions as to how to solve this since I don't know John's mother's name? The only thing I do know is the birthplace and approx birthdate and that his father, David, was a farmer. I have looked online and at the LDS site for church records and haven't run across any, maybe I'm missing something?
Have been trying (unsuccessfully) to learn anything from John being a National School teacher. Was hoping for actual birthdate or other family details. I am in Canada so a visit to PRONI is impossible. I have e-mailed them a few times with no response.
Any suggestions/ideas as to how to get past this roadblock?
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Any suggestions as to how to solve this since I don't know John's mother's name? The only thing I do know is the birthplace and approx birthdate and that his father, David, was a farmer. I have looked online and at the LDS site for church records and haven't run across any, maybe I'm missing something?
LDS site (www.familysearch.org) has some, not all, Irish births 1864-c1882 in IGI- otherwise just a smattering of Irish records (both extracted and submitted).
Index to Irish civil registration is online (shows 27 deaths in Co. Tyrone for the name David Hamilton alone) but it is not easy to search pre-registration period without church records.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
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Does anyone have access to Ballygawley Presbyterian Church records? Early records may be from Presbytery of Clogher. Or access to local newspaper archives? Found a gravestone transcription at History from Headstones that may be my 2xgparents so I now have defined birth/death dates and a wife's first name....
Hope to find records to tie my gf John in, verify transcription details and identify other family, siblings etc.
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David HAMILTON, born c1797, (likely in Tyrone), married Catherine UNKNOWN, died 28 Dec 1867 at age 70 years in Ballygawley, Tyrone. Buried in Ballygawley Presbyterian Cemetery.
Catherine UNKNOWN, born c1798, place unknown, died 1 Aug 1886, at age 88 in Ballygawley, Tyrone (location TBC). Buried in Ballygawley Presbyterian Cemetery.
Their son, John HAMILTON, National School teacher, born 1837 in Ballygawley, Tyrone, moved to Milford, Armagh in 1962 as a National School Teacher.
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John married 29 Dec 1862 to Elizabeth Mary LIVINGSTONE at the 3rd Presbyterian Church in Armagh City, Armagh, died 27 June 1925 at age 88 years in Milford, Armagh.
Elizabeth Mary LIVINGSTONE, teacher, post-mistress, born 27 Nov 1835 in Convoy, Donegal, died 21 Dec 1927 at age 95 years in Milford, Armagh.
Their children's names were David Livingstone, unnamed, Rev John George, unnamed, William, Catherine Agnes, Elizabeth Davidson, Thomas James Canterbury and Samuel.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Jill
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Hi.
I have Hamilton relations that worked and lived at Mt Stewart, I wonder if same family.
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Hello SantPod
I'd be interested to find out if there are any connections as well...
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OK, for starters lets have some names of the Hamilton family of yours who worked on the mount stewart estate
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William Samuel Hamilton worked there in 1922, as stated on his Sep 1922 marriage record. I'm not sure when he started working there or ended, but he immigrated to Canada in Mar 1924.
J
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Hi again
The original Hamiltons in my tree worked as stone masons and Gardener's at Mt Stewart and lived in Bluestone Cottages on the estate, they in turn had many children, some went to the USA and some Canada and also NZ the ones who went to Canada I don't have their names sadly. Do you know Williams parents names or his Grand parents?
It would be nice if we had a link between us.
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I know William Samuel's parents and grandparents but sadly don't know any extended family's names. And don't know how he came to be working as a guard at Mt Stewart's. I do know that he was supposed to have been an excellent gardener and had a wonderful rock garden.
I'm told there are living descendants of the Mt Stewart family (in Newtownards?). Have you been in touch with them?
My ggggfather's name was David HAMILTON, a Samuel HAMILTON was informant on his death record (tbc), but no relationship was noted. I've run across "possible" relatives in Ballygawley but haven't been able to find out anything more.
My gggparents were John HAMILTON and Eliza Mary LIVINGSTON(E). They lived in Milford, Armagh from about 1860-1927. John was born in Ballygawley, Tyrone and Eliza was from Convoy, Donegal.
William Samuel's parents were William HAMILTON and Edith Charlotte Regina McINTYRE. His father, William, had moved to Penang, Straits Settlements as a schoolmaster in 1892. That's where William Samuel and his four siblings were born. I do know where most of the descendants are.
J
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Rev. Cecil Brett says,
John Hamilton, might be a son of David Hamilton, a Stewart tenant in Cooligery in 1856 was probably a descendant of the John Hamilton of Millex whose name is enshrined in Kerog porch.
This is close to Ballygawley Town and I also came across one Rev. David Hamilton of Belfast.
I hope that this might help.
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Thank your for the suggestion.
I'd found two David HAMILTONs in Griffiths in the area, including the one you mentioned. David HAMILTON - Meeting House St, house yard & sm garden. Lesser Sir John M Stewart, Bt. and David HAMILTON - 2 acres land in Coolagerry (No 7), with no bldgs, very close!! I wonder if they could possibly be the same David?
I wish I knew if there was a relationship, I recall seeing that some time ago in "Ulsterheart", it peaked my interest....
I suspect a possible relationship with several HAMILTONs from the area that moved to Australia and New Zealand but have no verification. Have tracked several but have nothing solid to base it on.
A couple later (somewhat distant) relatives moved to both New Zealand and Australia.
J
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Hi All. does anyone know the name of William Samuel Hamilton's wife. in my tree some Hamiltons went to off to the usa and settled in clinton, Massachusetts. any links anyone?
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Sorry they aren't the same fellow. My gf, William Samuel HAMILTON married Beatrix Mary SAWYER and immigrated to Timmins, Ontario, Canada in 1924.
I do recall running across other William Samuel HAMILTONs, will see if I can find anything for you.
J
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Hello
My GG Grandparents were named David HAMILTON and Catherine (Nee Young)
They are both buried together in the Presbyterian church yard in Ballygawley.
David died 28th Oct 1887 aged 70 years. Catherine died 1st Aug 1886 aged 88.
They had at least 6 children 5 of whom came to Australia. Their daughter Margaret was my G Gmother. (I have her date of BIRTH as 1834) One son John Hamilton stayed in Ireland.
The 5 Hamiltons who came to Australia mostly live on the East Coast in country Victoria.
I have hit a brick wall finding anything more about David or Catherine in the Ballygawley area Co Tyrone.
Davids date of birth is also a mystery. WAS HE BORN IN 1797 or 1817. If it was the latter he would have only been 17 when his daughter Margaret was born and making Catherine some 19 years old than him. I have a photo of their headstone in the church yard and it states he was only 70 years of age when he died in 1887 so making his DOB as 1817. the mystery continues.
I have a book obtained when in Ballygawley in 1996 titled ULSTERHEART by Rev C Brett Ingram and in it there are HEAPS of Hamiltons named. Maybe you can look it up and work out if there are our HAMILTON families.
Good luck with your continuing research.
Cheers
Paddy Western Australia
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Welcome cousin,
My GGG Grandparents were David Hamiltom and Catherine Young. Their son, John, who stayed in Ireland was my GG Grandfather. He moved from Ballygawley to Milford, Armagh, where they had seven children, who ended up in Ireland, England, Penang and the US. Their descendants went to Canada, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand etc. My G Grandfather taught in Penang, Straits Settlements for many years, my Grandfather immigrated to Canada.
Unfortunately my computer is away being serviced so don't have access for several days but will have to back to you re specifics.
I had uncovered quite a bit about the Australian relatives, including Margaret when I had my Ancestry subscription - no longer have it. I found a lot of info on Trove.
I have not been able to find out anything further back about David or Catherine yet....
I do suspect some relatives settled in New Zealand, possibly cousins, but have not been able to verify actual connection.
I am in Canada.
J
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Hello J
Thanks for such a prompt reply.
I now know that David Hamiltons DOB was 1797 and NOT 1817. I have a photo of his headstone and it was so hard to read. We visited Ballygawley in 1996 and would love to go again.
If we keep searching something may just pop up for one of us so good luck with your ongoing research.
David Hamiltons Grandson David Stock married a Frances HILL from Co Carlow Ireland. She came to Australia with her brother William Hill. He later left Western Australia and lived the rest of his life in Canada. I think he started out in Boston but went on to Ontario. It took me 14 years to find him.
Cheers
Paddy
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Hi Paddy
Persistence does pay off. It has taken me decades to figure out where my family came from and where they went and am still searching. All I knew is my family came from Tyrone/Armagh, no specifics, and that my GGG taught in Penang. It took a long time to be able to pin it down, and unfortunately my dad died before I figured it out. It took me many more years to figure out that so much of the family ended up in Australia!
Where in Ontario did David settle? My dad was actually born in Timmins, Ontario. My grandparents had immigrated there in 1923 from Bristol. My grandfather and his two brothers studied mining at the Camborne School of Mines.
Pat, the eldest and my gf, Bill, came to Timmins, Fred worked internationally. The two sisters remained in the UK.
My dad and gparents moved out to British Columbia abt 1938, and my sisters and were born and raised there.
I've had the gravestone transcription but would love to see the pic. Will send my email in a private message and will be able to look at my files when I get my computer back.
I had always planned on taking my dad to Ireland but never got the chance and have not been able to get there myself, yet....
Happy Easter cousin.
J
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Happy Easter to you J
I do have a postal address for William HILLs family in Ontario Somewhere. I will endeavour to find it and send it to your email address when it comes thru. Bit confusing BUT Wm Hills sister married Margaret Hamiltons son David in Western Australia.
Bob and I visited Ballygawley in 1996 and took a photo of the headstone of David and Catherine (Young) Hamilton. It is not very clear but better than nothing. It is in the graveyard right alongside the Presbyterian Church in Bgawley.
I am also in touch with a Jan from Bendigo in Victoria (Eastern side of Australia) A lovely lady and she said she has also had contact over the years with you. Small world sometimes.
Bob and I spent some hours at our local Latter Day Saints Church (Mormans) and anything I found mentioning the Hamiltons of Ballygawley they were all of the Presby. faith. So I guess they are all somehow related. The puzzle is how. ???? I have been dabbling in Genealogy since 1983 BUT have only just really got back into it. So much easier than way back then. We think we may take a trip to the UK around Aug/Sept.
the Hamiltons are certainly world wide. Amazing how many countries we have relations in. Bob and I did a tour of Canada in 2005 and JUST LOVED IT. There are only two countries I want to go back to and they are Canada and Ireland. Loved both.
Keep searching and maybe just maybe one of us will find the missing piece or pieces of our family puzzle.
Best Wishes
Paddy
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David and Catherine HAMILTON buried in the Ballygawley Presbyterian Church graveyard were my GG grandparents.
Catherines maiden was YOUNG.
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David and Catherine HAMILTON buried in the Pres. churchyard in Ballygawley were my GG Grandparents. (1867 and 1886)
Catherine was formerly YOUNG.
Cheers
Paddy
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This information from Ulsterheart may help:
p. 301 "John Hamilton, probably a son of David Hamilton who was a Stewart tenant in Cooligery in 1856 was probably a descendant of the John Hamilton of Millex whose name is enshrined in Kerog porch."
Many families in the Ballygawley area had several leases-- one listed as house, office & land, their primary residence, and another usually nearby lease of land only to extend their farming land.
The land in Coolageery would have been fairly close to David Hamilton's property on Meeting House Street in Ballygawley. He probably had a business based at that Ballygawley town location.
You may find more information about David Hamilton's family by looking up the Valuation Revision records for his leases on Proni, searchable by townland and parcel number. http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx
It is also helpful to look at the maps on http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/.
I have a Mary Hamilton born pre-1800, married to Mark Patterson of Killymorgan townland, Errigal Keerogue parish, Tyrone. Still trying to determine who her parents are. James Hamilton of Millix townland, Errigal Keerogue is the best candidate so far.
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More information from Ulsterheart:
(I believe Culligary is the same as Coolageery)
As late as 1785 a James Hamilton held 75 acres in Millix. This was probably that small are at the foot of Millix known as Culligary where now stands Martray Manor. There were certainly Hamiltons in Culligary at the time. Andrew Morrison arrived from Scotland, and got the Culligry property when he married Jane Hamilton in 1683, or part of it. Jane may have inherited the property if William, who died so young, had been the heir. That is, Jane Hamilton may well have been a sister of the John Hamilton whose name appears on Kerog's oldest extant stone memorial.
Also from Ulsterheart:
The inscription on the Muliks stone reads "Hereunder lyeth the body of John Hamilton Gent of Muliks who departed this life the (?) year of his age, the 10 Anno 1667". So, this John Hamilton
of Millix must have been born early 1600s. His family is almost certainly the same as that of Archibald Hambleton who in 1628 had at Tate Cosker a bawn 312 X 16 ft. and who on 24th March of that year got permission to hold markets on May 20 and Aug. 24 at Killmorgan. Cosker or Kosker (forest fort) is near the foot of Millix, and the Hamilton structure probably stood where Martray Manor stands today. "Martray" was originally just the fort to the east.
Later in 1628 another Archibald Hamilton lived in Moy Enir Castle near Grange Falls on ground originally granted to Turvin in 1611, passing to Sir Gerald Lowther in 1615 and to Pringle in 1619. But there are indications that the Hamiltons were at Martray in Elizabethan times. 58 Anyhow they are the first of the eight families who dominated Kerog in the 1600s -- Hamilton, Morrison, Haper, Neilly, Erskine, Moutray, Harvey, Speer. The first and most illustrious of these were the Hamiltons.