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I am searching for information about the family of Charles James Powell (gentleman/brewer) and wife Anne (nee Morgan) who resided in Myrthyr Tydfil or close by in Dowlais, and were included in the 1841 Census.
Their marriage took place 2or3?/7/1833 in Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire. (There Marriage Licence was indexed and mentions that Anne is a minor, so under 21. It's in marriage bonds Llandaff A 129/126 and the index is (WlAbNL) 004420307. (Yes I have this information, however I thought it might help in the identification of the real Anne Powell (nee Morgan).
Their children were:
Charles b.@"Goitra" 13/8/1834 bp. 11/9/1834 at Merthyr Tydfil.
Anne Olive Powell bp. Parish Ch. of St. Tydfils in 30/6/1837 deceased 27/9/1837(GRO Ref:Vol.26 Page 241)
William Bassett Powell bp.4/1/1836 Merthyr Tydfil
Lucy Miranda Powell bp.13/11/1839 (GRO ref. Vol 26 Page 371 Dowlais (died? Jun.Qtr.1840 - GRO Ref. Vol 26 page 325)
Walter John bp. 18/3/1841 GRO ref Vol 26 page 436 Dowlais (but possibly marked as Merthyr Tydfil)
I am also searching for the siblings of Charles James Powell -
William Walter J. Powell baptised 7/7/1801 Abergavenny, Mons.
Irene &/or Olive Mary Powell 1805 bp. 3/1/1805 Abergavenny
Osborne Baker Powell bp. 26/6/1808 Abergavenny, Mons.
Frances Miranda Powell bp. 21/6/1811 Abergavenny, Mons.
Unfortunately there are no birth records as such until Civil Registration in July 1837.
However, Charles James Powell can not be located in Myrthyr Tydfil on the 1851 Census.
Birth of Charles James Powell to parents Rev. William Powell & wife Olive Mary, 3/10/1806, bp. 24?/10/1806 Abergavenny, Mons
Death of Charles James Powell in Neath, GRO Vol 26 page 335 ??
Is it him?
Anne Powell (nee Morgan) there are so many Anne Powell's who died between 1844 and 1888 (11a/246) I don't know if I can pick the right one.
Would it please be possible for someone to check the original Parish Records of St. Tydfils, Myrthyr Tydfil in the Central Library or wherever you can in the UK.
Hoping someone can assist me in trying to trace these very illusive ancestors.
Thanking you in anticipation,
Eddo
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Hi
Should this be on the Glamorgan board? Dowlais and Merthyr T are in Glamorgan not Brecon
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How old were Charles and Ann on the 1841 census and where were they living as I can't find an entry with the profile above
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I wonder if this is part of the family in 1851 - particularly as grandma is Olive Mary and daughter Ann b 1836 had Olive as a middle name
Abergavenny Monmouth
William Powell 81 vicar of Abergavenny and Magistrate - b Abergavenny
Olive Mary 73 b London - Lombard House
Irene 46 dtr unmarried b Monmouth Lydart House
William B 14 grandson b Dowlais Glamorgan
Walter John 10 grandson b Dowlais
Mary Perrin Cox 44 visitor governess b Gloucester
Rachel James 24 servant
Hariett Adams 25 servant
HO107 Piece 2446 Folio 366 Page 11
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Deaths December qtr 1850
Charles James POWELL Neath 26 335
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likely marriage in Monmouthshire
Charles Jas Powell of Abergavenny, Gent, to Ann Morgan of Llanwenarth 3/7/1833 in Llanwenarth Citra by licence
birth cert should confirm maiden name
Walter John Powell march qtr 1841 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 436
some Abergavenny baptisms, all children of Reverend Wm Powell and Olive Mary of Monk St
Charles James born 3/10/1806 bp 24(?)/10/1806
Osborne Baker bp 29/6/1808
Frances Miranda bp 21/6/1811
William Basset seems to have followed his grandfather into the church, but looks to have travelled
1901 The Vicarage, Stocklinch, Somerset RG12/2290 folio 112 pg 3
William B Powell head mar 63 clergyman Church of England b. Glam, Merthyr
Sybella F C wife 52 b. Cape of Good Hope
Isabel F dau 33 b. India
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Ann Olive living with an aunt in 1851
4 Alpha Rd, Marylebone HO107/1490 folio 659 pg 2
George Morrison head mar 42 West India merchant British subject
Olive A wife 46 b. Monmouthshire
George W son 15 clerk to father b. Middlesex
Olive dau 11 b. Middlesex
Charles F son 7 b. Middlesex
Whiston P son 2 b. Middlesex
Elizabeth aunt 71 annuitant b. Middlesex
Ann O Powell niece 13 b. Glamorganshire
+ 3 servants
found a couple more baptisms in Mitchell Troy, Mon
William Walter J Powell bp 7/7/1801 son of Rev William & Olive
Olive Mary bp 3/1/1805 dau of William & Olive Mary
parish entries are from here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm
Eddo, as you've been on the site since the original replies & presumably seen them, can you let us know if what we're finding is of use to you?
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I apologise to all those who have been helping me find these ancestors.
I was overwhelmed with what you found, and have been trying to fit everyone in to the right slot on the old family tree.
I have made contact with a distant relation as well, and between what they have found, what you have found, and the little I have been able to find, it has really been "awesome" (that's the only word I can think of at present).
Thanks to the help I have received on line, I am finally getting the family ancestry into line, and it's a bigger family line than I thought it would be.
I didn't realise how many young children were lost in their early days of life, or at times, why families moved so suddenly - the outbreak of disease, etc.
Again thank you all for your assistance - the Powells are finally "making sense" to me.
Eddo
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glad to be of help. Too many Ann Powell deaths registered to identify yours.
There's some family info on the online index of the Cambrian newspaper
http://www2.swansea.gov.uk/_info/cambrian/default.asp
death of Rev William in 1863
marriage of Charles in 1833, birth of first son & daughter, a possible different death date for Charles in 1843 if he was a J.P. registered as
Charles Powell dec qtr 1843 Brecknock vol 26 pg 200
I'll check later for the marriage licence and a will for Charles James. I'm waiting for a password to be reset.
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Thanks Osprey,
Now that I'm starting to get my head around who goes where on this tree, it seems to get a little easier.
However, finding the information isn't quite so easy.
I'm trying to get as much done as I can before the end of July, because one of my daughters is heading to the UK, and I'm going to put together a list of people/places for her to find where she can get direct access to records - be that London or Cardiff. She may also have to go off the beaten track a bit, but I'm trying to avoid that, because after all it is her holiday. (I thought that's what kid's were for).
Again, thanks for all your help, it's really making things easier.
Eddo
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baptism for William 21/2/1770 in Abergavenny
William son of Reverend Mr William & Elizabeth Powell of Butcher Row, Abergavenny
So another generation in the church!
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Hello all
There have been a couple of comments about moving this thread.
I deliberately left it, as the title suggested Glamorgan and the developments were indicating Monmouthshire.
I think it might sit best on the Monmouthshire board on the whole...
I'll delete the Breconshire from the title because that is one that doesn't seem to be involved yet!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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had a look for a will for Charles James, but with no success.
His marriage licence is indexed and mentions that Ann is a minor, so under 21.
It's in marriage bonds Llandaff A 129/126 and the index is (WlAbNL) 004420307
(I think)Charles James Powell of Abergavenny, bach to Anne Morgan 2/7/1833 in Llanwenarth.
Think you should be able to get a copy from the NLW
http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=nlwenquiries
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I had a look for Ann Olive, sister of your Charles
1861 38 Cadogan Place, Chelsea RG9/37 folio 89 pg 9
Frances Winthorp head widow 59 fundholder b. Surrey
Olive Powell servant 23 companion b. Glamorgan
Emma Fisher servant 33 lady's maid b. Middlesex
Margaret Wilson servant 51 cook b. Cumberland
? Simmonds 24 housemaid b. Surrey
marriage reg
Olive Ann Powell dec qtr 1863 Whitehaven vol 10b pg 837 with John Henry Bright on the same page
1871 2 Belle Vue, Westbury on Trym, Gloucs RG10/2570 folio 9 pg 9
John Henry Bright head mar 33 curate of Westbury on Trym b. Surrey, Wimbledon
Olive Anne wife 32 b. Monmouthshire, Abergavenny
Olive dau 5 b. Hereford
John son 3 b. Glos, Westbury On Trym
+3 servants
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Morning Osprey,
This was a nice surprise to wake up to. I haven't been able to find much about Anne Olive from this end.
Yesterday I spent about 4 hours just trying to get on to the GRO with the websites listed, and my emails kept bouncing back to me. I was all set to order a couple of certificates, but wanted to ask what it was going to cost me beforehand.
Needless to say, I still don't know, so it looks like I may have to make a phone call, and hope that it's a quickie.
Thus far I think I have enough information to order:
I.G.I. Batch No. C056891
4) Lucy Miranda Powell -Christened 25 Sept 1850 Dowlais, Glamorgan
15) Walter John Powell - Christened 13 Mar 1841, Dowlais, Glamorgan
I.G.I. Batch No. C057191
7) Charles Powell - Birth 13/8/1834 Chris.11/9/1834 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan.
24) Ann Olive Powell - Birth 30/6/1837 Chris. 27/9/1837 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
47) William Bassett Powell - Birth. ? Christened 4/1/1836 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
I will also probably order a Marriage document for Charles James & Anne Davies, and now Ann Olive's one as well.
I need to have as much information (documentally ?) as possible, so that I can order ahead, and maybe just get my daughter to pick up, or they can post them Air Mail.
I don't want her to waste her holiday chasing paperwork for me.
But she's going into the Merthyr Tydfil area, mainly the Brecons for a bit of "walking", so I'd really like her to visit the town, to find out just where we all came from and take some photos. That seems to be the most important little town to the Powells and their beginnings, and what shaped them for the trek to Australia, and starting all over.
Anyway, thanks again for all your help. I'm really enjoying having a chat.
Sorry, I'm a bit tired this morning, because I stayed up to watch the Tour de France again last night, and as usual fell asleep in my chair just as they crossed the finish line, so I still don't know who officially leads the race. Will find out on the news today I suppose.
Bye for now
Eddo
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anything before 1/7/1837 you won't get a certificate for. That's the start of civil registration. Before that date, all you can get is a copy of a parish entry and that needs to be ordered from the record office of the county where the event took place.
So Glamorgan for the Merthyr ones
http://www.glamro.gov.uk/Res%20&%20enq.html#remoteaccess
and for the Monmouthshire ones
http://www.torfaen.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/GwentRecordsOffice/Home.aspx
The cost of a cert is on the site, £7 or equivalent per cert provided you give GRO refs e.g. these registrations
Walter John Powell march qtr 1841 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 436
Lucy Miranda Powell dec qtr 1839 Merthry Tydfil vol 26 pg 371
death reg
Lucy Miranda Powell june qtr 1840 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 325
marriage reg
Olive Ann Powell dec qtr 1863 Whitehaven vol 10b pg 837
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs-order-online.asp
They post the certs to you and doesn't take too long, I believe.
Who is Anne Davies?
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Sorry Osprey,
I was having one of those days.
I had spent what seemed like days on this d... computer trying to find missing ancestors, and by the time I finished I couldn't remember who was whom.
Anne Morgan is who I meant to say. There was a Davies spouse later on, and because I had been working on both, I switched names. Very clever, don't you think. (I only did it to confuse you)
Thanks for the information, I'll now be able to order some certs. and nail a few people down, then I can move on to the next lot.
There seem to have been a hell of a lot of Powells in the Merthyr Tydfils or Glamorgan and Brecon areas. Just trawling through RootsChat, I'm amazed at how many there are.
I'll say this for the Powell's, they seem to have been very fruitfull. My own Grandmother, Amelia May Powell (nee Thearle) had seven children, and for the size of her (she was a little lady) I honestly don't know how she coped.
Again, thanks for the assistance, and I'll keep in touch.
Eddo
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just a few Powells in the Breconshire area! ::)
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Surnames.aspx
;D
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Good grief Osprey,
I would never have thought of categorising names into areas like that.
I knew I was coming across quite a few Powells, but blimey, that takes the cake.
It's quite obvious where my line comes from, and isn't it funny, that even before I knew the line went back to Wales, I always had a thing about visiting there.
So now I'm too old and crochety to do it, but my daughter can do it for me.
She is going to have to take hundreds of photos.
Actually last time she was over there, about 2 years ago, she took roughly 700 phots. and it took me ages to look through them all on the computer. But worth every minute.
Wales & Scotland have always been my "thing" to do, (you know, like a bucket list), England, London in particular, really don't interest me.
If I want to see a city I can go back to Sydney, and that's exactly why I left it. Can't stand the rat race.
And then - where did I move to -- the Australian Capital Territory, along with all the politicians. However, I live just over the border in New South Wales, so the hot air doesn't quite make it to here.
I must show my daughter the National Trust site. That should convince her that she needs to see that area.
Thanks osprey, you've given me a very pleasant surprise.
Eddo