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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: annette ellen on Thursday 02 July 09 07:43 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information regarding Thomas Bawden Bryar b 1831 Marazion Cornwell. Married Mary A Roberts Burgess ,year Unk .
Children Elizabeth born 1852, died 1852, Elizabeth Ann b1853 , Susan b1856 all born Breage and Ester b 1857 Liskeard Cornwell.
They came out to Australia when I am not sure.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
Annette. :)
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Hi Annette,
Thomas Bawden Bryar married Mary Ann Roberts Bargip on 25 Jan 1851 at St Just in Penwith
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=329887&dbtype=marriages
:)
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Hi Tati,
Thank you for the information. Was surprised to find out the surname difference.
Many thanks,
Annette. ???
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Maybe they're not the ones after all? Then Thomas' name seems pretty unique. (Maybe the transcription is wrong and the old writing of 'ss' was mistaken for a p? I see the GRO has her name as Burgess)
Here they are with Thomas' parents in 1851 - any use?
1851
HO107/1919 166 30
St Just, Cornwall
Carnyorth
Richard Pryar, head, 41, Miner, b. St Just Cornwall
Mary Ann, wife, 43, b. Penryn
Thomas, son, mar, 20, Miner, b. Marazion
Mary, d law, mar, 22, b. Breage
Allace, dau, 11, b. Marazion
Mary Ann, dau, 10, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, (age column shows a 3 in the male column and a 6 in the female), b. do.
Richard, son, (no age shown - I'm guessing he should be 3), b. do.
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Hi Annette,
Thomas Bawden BRYER was baptised 11 Dec 1831 Marazion parents Richard and Mary Ann
Siblings
Richad BRIER 25 Dec 1832 Marazion
Philip BRIER 11 May 1834 Marazion
Philip BRIER 9 Aug 1835 Marazion
Mary Anne Bawden BRYAR 12 Mar 1837 Marazion
Alice Jane BRIER 15 Sep 1839 Marazion
Mary Ann BRIER 19 Sep 1841 Marazion
Jane Bawden BRYER 18 Jun 1843 Marazion
Elizabeth BRIER 25 May 1845 Marazion
Richard BRYANT 19 Sep 1847 Marazion. - Richard was a miner
Richard BRYER = Mary Ann BAWDEN 6 Feb 1831 St Hilary
Cheers Kris :)
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I'm wondering if the witness Phillip Bargip should actually be Philippa Burgess:
1841
HO107/136 3 7 6
Breage, Cornwall
William Burgess, 40, Tin Miner
Elizabeth, 4 (she's 51 in 1851)
Jane, 18
Phillipha, 16
Elizabeth, 14
Mary An, 12
William, 8
Hester, 5
John, 3
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Hi Kris,
Many thanks for the info. It must have been a nightmare with all the different spellings that were used. I will have to think about different spellings when I look at the census and not just the given way.
I appreciate the help you have given me many thanks.
Regards
Annette. :D
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Hi Tati,
Thanks for the update. It gets more confusing when the names are written in many ways.
Looks like some of the children must have died with some having the same names, my what fun it will bewriting this all out.
Thank you so much for the info.
Regards
Annette :o
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Hi Annette,
Yes it certainly is a name with many variants
Philip BRYANT was buried 25 Sep 1834 St Hilary aged 6 months
Philip BRYAR was buried 1 Mar 1836 St Hilary aged 7 months
Richard BRIAR died Jun 1/4 1838 Penzance 9 123
the nearest I can see for Mary Ann is Mary BRIAN Dec 1838 9 133
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
Thanks for the update. I have noticed that a lot of families gave children the same name after one died.
In your previous answer were the dates birth or Baptism dates?
Many thanks, as once again I have been helped by you.
Cheers
Annette 8)
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Hi Annette,
Glad to help. The dates provided were all baptism dates.
Cheers Kris :)
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There is an area near Marazion called Barripper ... is Bargip a mistranscription I wonder?
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Hi Annette,
I'm also researching Thomas Bawden Bryar's family and have some info on when he arrived in Australia. He came out to South Australia as an assisted immigrant in 1857 on board the ship Sumner, which arrived 21 August 1857.
Passenger List:
Thomas Bawden Bryar aged 24 resident of Penzance Cornwall - Miner
Mary Ann Bryar aged 26
Elizabeth Bryar aged 3
Susan Jane Bryar aged 1
Esther Ann Bryar infant
His father Richard Bryar also emigrated to Sth Australia onboard the ship Monsoon, which arrived at Port Adelaide on the 17th March 1857. They were assisted passengers as well.
Members of the family who emigrated were:
Richard Bryar aged 43 Occupation Miner
Mary Ann Bryar aged 43
Elizabeth Bryar aged 11
Richard Bryar aged 8
Although daughters Alice Jane and Mary Ann Bryar also emigrated to Sth Australia, they are not listed on the index for the Monsoon. Whether this is an error or not I don't know, they may well have travelled separately, although I haven't found them on any other passenger lists for assisted emigrants.
Hope that my info is of some help to you.
cheers Kaz
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Hi Kaz,
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Thanks for the information. Any bit of info is a great help.
Interesting to see that they both came out different times but in the same year.
Many thanks again,
Cheers Annette :)