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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: lilbees on Monday 29 June 09 18:22 BST (UK)
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I have a Thomas Watson born, we believe, 1812 in North Ferriby, Yorkshire, with father named John and mother named Ruth Crathorne.
Am I looking to search in the correct area of Yorkshire?
Thank you for your assistance.
lilbees
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Yes. You are on the right board. North Ferriby is just outside Hull and on the north bank of the Humber. BMDs will be registered in Sculcoates after 1837. Prior to that you will need the church registers and North Ferriby is covered on the IGI at www.familysearch.org so if he was baptised there you should be able to find him. Did you get his place of birth from census records? If you can quote those it makes it easier to make sure we are on the right family.
Andrea
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The birth date and place are from the family itself. He immigrated to the U.S. prior to 1850. I have no UK census.
The info I have:
Thomas Watson b. 9 May 1812, North Ferriby, Yorkshire, England
Father: John
Mother: Mary Crathorne
Grandfather: Thomas
That is all there is. Was hoping to confirm the information.
Went to the IG site. After going through about 4,000 records could not find him with that date.
lilbees
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Here is the marriage on the IGI
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
An extracted record so pretty reliable. You might have a date of birth for Thomas. The IGI has baptisms so it could be any time and in another parish if they happened to be living there at the time.
Andrea
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And some of their children
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
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Thank you for your assistance. The links you gave only take me to the search page not the record. The baptism date is 10 May 1812 North Ferriby, Yorkshire, England
lilbees
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I have a Thomas Watson born, we believe, 1812 in North Ferriby, Yorkshire, with father named John and mother named Ruth Crathorne.
Am I looking to search in the correct area of Yorkshire?
Thank you for your assistance.
lilbees
The birth date and place are from the family itself. He immigrated to the U.S. prior to 1850. I have no UK census.
The info I have:
Thomas Watson b. 9 May 1812, North Ferriby, Yorkshire, England
Father: John
Mother: Mary Crathorne
Grandfather: Thomas
That is all there is. Was hoping to confirm the information.
Went to the IG site. After going through about 4,000 records could not find him with that date.
lilbees
There's something not quite right here - Mother's name changes from Ruth to Mary? Am I missing something?
Laurina
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So sorry! It should be (I think) Mary Crathorne. Don't know where I came up with Ruth but I won't rule that out.
lilbees
If you have the number of the record on IG I can locate what you found by that.
Thanks.
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I think you'll have to wait for Sillgen to come back online - I can't find anything - sorry!
Only thing I can find on IGI at the moment is a christening for Mary Crathorne 2.10.1779, North Ferriby - Father Alexander Crathorne
Laurina
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Marriage also on IGI to John Watson
10th April 1800 - North Ferriby, Yorkshire
Laurina
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Children of John Watson and Mary Crathorne - no sign of Thomas yet!
ALEXANDER WATSON - Chr. September 1800 North Ferriby
ELIZABETH WATSON - Chr. 29th August 1802 North Ferriby
GEORGE RICHMOND WATSON - Chr. 13th January 1805 North Ferriby
ANN WATSON - Chr. 4th October 1807 North Ferriby
Laurina
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyYorkshire_(M-P).htm#N
This page should take you to the North Ferriby records on IGI - you'll need to scroll down the page to find North Ferriby
No sign of Thomas there either
Laurina
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When you search the IGI put in the name and an approximate date plus or minus 10 or whatever. eg search for a marriage for John Watson and Mary Crathorne. We know it was in 1800 becuase Laurina and I have already found it. When you get it up on the screen click on the batch number at the bottom and just put a surname in the search box. That will show all mentions of that name on that film. The marriage batch numbers satrt with M. If you change that M to a C you often (not always) get the Christenings. That is what I did to find their four children as quoted by Laurina. If Thomas is not showing up on that or via the Hugh Wallis site then the chances are that he was baptised elsewhere in a parish not on the IGI.
The names of the children are tying in nicely with Mary's father being Alexander and George's middle name is almost bound to be a surname further back so very helpful.
If you are anywhere near an LDS family history sentre (they are worldwide) then you could order the film of North Ferriby and search it there at your leisure. There might be many helpful hints in the actual register. Occupations, addresses, burials etc.
Andrea
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Went to the IG site. After going through about 4,000 records could not find him with that date.
lilbees
There is something wrong with your searching technique here! Are you using the Advanced Search option and going straight to the IGI? Once there you must cut it down to approximate dates or you will have thousand of records to go through which is very disheartening. Using the Hugh Wallis site takes you straight to the parish you want but I never do that as I prefer to see if there is a possible entry in a nearby parish. Many a babe was baptised when they were visiting mum or working elsewhere temporarily and the vicar came round and told them to do it.
Have you any idea of occupation for this family?
Andrea
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. . . When you get it up on the screen click on the batch number at the bottom and just put a surname in the search box. That will show all mentions of that name on that film. The marriage batch numbers start with M. If you change that M to a C you often (not always) get the Christenings. . .. . ..Andrea
Thanks for that tip Andrea, I didn't know you could do that.
Laurina ;D
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Thank you all for what you have done.
I have been searching the North Ferriby, Yorkshire, England records and located all the children of John and Mary. There was also a Henry which I added but no Thomas. I am not sure where John was born but could be Thomas was born on a visit there?
Who knows.
I never knew I could search the IG the way you showed.
It also could be that John and Mary were not, in fact, his parents.
Will have to check more with the family members to see what they have for sure.
lilbees
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Well, I just learned that the dates and names for Thomas Watson were taken from an Ancestry search.
No one knows for sure his actual birthdate other than 1812. England. The parents names were also from Ancestry.
Nothing I have found in the US gives me more information.
Still Looking.
lilbees
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Hi Lilbees,
We seem to have hit a stumbling block with Thomas Watson.
I think you'd be better off trying to find another link to Thomas Watson. I assume Thomas married and had children. Could you tell us more about him.
When did he marry? Who did he marry? Names and d.o.b. for his children.
Possibly someone could then find him and his family in the census and get a few more clues from there.
It would be good to solve this mystery.
Laurina
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Thanks for replying.
Thomas Watson b. abt 1812, immigrated to the US about 1830-1835. I have not located his ship manifest as yet but believe he may have arrived in New Orleans, Louisana.
He married Sarah Ann Davis b. abt. 1821 in Pennsylvania, on the 30 Jan 1837 in Mississippi (they do have a copy of the marriage record). They lived in the State of Indiana, USA. They had 6 children, all born in Indiana.
William D. b. 1840
George b. 1842
Edwin R. b. 1848
Samuel Elmore b. 1851
Francis "Frank" b. 1853
Alfred b. 1856
Thomas died 2 Oct 1860 in Indiana. Sarah Ann survived at least until at least 1870.
I do not have a copy of Thomas' death record which may have more information nor have I located the actual death of Sarah Ann Davis.
This family is my first cousin's wife's family that he has been researching along with others in the Watson family for some years. I guess they started their research much before the internet. So a lot of shuffling of papers to see what they have or don't have in the way of documentation. I have been looking for his naturalization papers and hoping his family may have some idea where a copy is. If they have one. They are not even sure of the date or place. These folks are well into their 80's so not always easy to remember what they have. That is why I am trying to help.
They did mention that their may be a Thomas Anthony Watson, another possibility, that was also born in Yorkshire 1812.
"Using Ancestry.com on 22 Dec 2008, I did considerable searching for him using data I already knew and can prove, with the same result each time. There were only two Thomas Watson's listed as being born and christened in Yorkshire in 1812, a Thomas Anthony Watson and a Thomas Watson. There are no members of the family, that I have found, with a given or middle name of Anthony.".
I haven't ruled anything out at this point! I haven't found out why they believe the birth county is Yorkshire as yet but have asked and waiting for an answer.
Sorry this posting is so long but I thought I would try to answer as to what I do know at this point.
Thank you for any help. It would be great.
Barb Yeoman
Forgot to add, he profession was as a Tailor.
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Hi lilbees,
What a pity he emigrated so early - he missed the 1841 census! Without a marriage in England I'm don't know what to suggest.
As you said the ship's manifest would help but the name Thomas Watson is fairly common and there are several years to cover. If they have the marriage record does it show the name and occupation of Thomas's father?
Maybe someone else can suggest other possibilities.
Laurina
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Thank you once again.
I am now trying to get a copy of the marriage record to see what information is on there. They are still digging through many binders of papers.
Will keep you posted when I have new information.
Barb
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Received a copy of the marriage record and it tells nothing about either of the people involved.
Looks like they had to pay $200 US to get married. Wow!
Barb
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Well, I now have a copy of the naturalization papers for Thomas.
I am attaching a link to them on PhotoBucket for you to see.
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq326/lilbees/Watson/ThomasWatsonarrivalJune1834.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq326/lilbees/Watson/ThomasWatson-Naturalizationpg2.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq326/lilbees/Watson/ThomasWatson-Naturalization.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq326/lilbees/Watson/Watson-DavisMar.jpg
His papers say he was born in Yorkshire, England 1812. He immigrated to the US May 1834 and arrived in New York June 1834. He then went to Natchez, Mississippi in 1835 presuming by way of New Orleans. He married Sarah Ann Davis 1837 in Adams county Mississippi. They then went to Indiana were he and his family lived and died.
I have been through the listing of the Yorkshire Parishes through Mirfield on IGI. Will continue to go through the listings looking for him in each Parish. I am checking through the 1813-? as well as the older records i.e., 1750 -1812 just in case the year on the papers is off by a year.
If someone has any other way to check let me know.
Thank you
Barb Yeoman
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Hi Barb,
Still looking for you - no obvious candidate yet.
You need to correct you're post - Thomas was b.1812 NOT 1912
Laurina